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ViRedd
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Why is it that the libertarians/republicans/constitutionalists/conservatives in this forum are always so kind to those holding opposing views, and the liberals/socialists/Marxist/communists/totalitarians/supporters of the nanny state on the site so disparaging to others? Why is that?
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Dankdude
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Out and out bullshit Vi, I watched you for 6 years over at Cannabis World impugn the viewpoints of those who's viewpoints that were different than yours. The difference is that over at Cannabis World you had a Right Wing Truman Show, here you don't get off that easy. Simply calling bullshit as I see it.
I was nothing but nice Vi, but it took me a week to keep the dialog with you and you wont respond to my counterpoints, instead whenever the discussion goes where you cant answer you say something inflamatory like the statement above, it seems you would rather hear the insults than the trouth...
ViRedd
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You have a faulty memory, Dankster. If you remember, I was the Moderator of the Political Forum at Cannabis World and treated everyone with a fair hand. In fact, I used to delete personal attacks. Not believing in censorship in the forum, personal attacks were the ONLY things that got deleted. Yes, I posted my opinions at CW, but always countered the opinions and rebuttals of others with respect. Now then, quite honestly Dankster, why you insist upon these minor nuisance attacks is a mystery to me.
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ViRedd
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Like I said before, krime ... your writing style is so convoluted that its hard to follow. There is only so much time in a day. Try using paragraphs ... and at least use a period or two. Thanks ...
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Dankdude
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You treated everyone with respect? Only if their views were like yours. Other than that if someone had a differing view than yours you would either impugn the person yourself or you would foster an environment where those who had minds like you would do it for you. It was oneupmanship with you.... As it is now.
Now you ask why I do these so called attacks (more like corrections) is because when someone has a view point different than yours, you call them communist, socialist ect. First and foremost we are Americans, The Conservatives have done a shitty in the 12 years they have been alloted, The Dems have been in power for how long?
You rarely did the Job of a mod, which is to keep the peace. It is you that has the faulty memory my friend. (too bad Cannabis World is no longer around, or I would show the people that your not speaking the truth.) It was your handling of the Politics forum that has made it where you can not discuss politics of any kind over at The Canna Cabana dot com now... (this was directly from the Site owners and current mods)
Don't bullshit people vi, it's not very becoming.... This is the last thing I have to say until after the first of the month... Going to a Cannabis Cup Texas Style.
ViRedd
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"Don't bullshit people vi, it's not very becoming.... This is the last thing I have to say until after the first of the month... Going to a Cannabis Cup Texas Style.
The first of the month? *lol* You just impuned my reputation with exaggerations and falsehoods and you are running away 'till the first of the month? Bad on you Dankster. But have a great time at the cup. Smoke a few for me, will ya?
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The first of the month? *lol* You just impuned my reputation with exaggerations and falsehoods and you are running away 'till the first of the month? Bad on you Dankster. But have a great time at the cup. Smoke a few for me, will ya?
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Hey Vi , you are attacking my personal style, do you want me to do the same to you(Question mark) Also (coma) if you are so buisy(koma)why even bother entering any of these discutions(question mark) So once again Vi Redd managed not to answer the points brought up by his opponents by regressing to personal attacs, you are almost as bad as Hempie...
Dankdude
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OK for the last time before I leave to go to south Texas... We used to go round and round on the very subject of how you did your job in the Politics forum in the Mod Lounge... How about I contact Mr. Freedomus and have him come here and take you to task???? Case closed."Don't bullshit people vi, it's not very becoming.... This is the last thing I have to say until after the first of the month... Going to a Cannabis Cup Texas Style.
The first of the month? *lol* You just impuned my reputation with exaggerations and falsehoods and you are running away 'till the first of the month? Bad on you Dankster. But have a great time at the cup. Smoke a few for me, will ya?
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ViRedd
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No the case isn't closed at all, Dank. I think its interesting how you and I see things so much differently. You want to bring freedomus into this? If I remember, both of you were Mods in the political forum at CW ... and both of you were removed as mods because neither of you could refrain from personal attacks. After you and freedomus were removed, and even before you guys were removed, I continually had to edit your posts to get the personal attacks out of them. As far as I know, I had the reputation at CW for fair dealings. And, for your info, Dank, even though I was a Mod, I was entitled to my own opinion ... even though you didn't agree with them.
Now we can close the case.
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medicineman
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Waaahhh. The fight is on. So nice to see you attacking others VI, I've almost began to see you as a pleasant sort, a person I might spark one with, not the Venemous VI of old. I know, this isn't my fight, so I'll butt out, but just want to say thanx for not going on the attack against me so much. Ta Ta and have a nice one. BTW I've been trying to keep the personal attacks to a minimum, (except hempie) can't stand that dude.No the case isn't closed at all, Dank. I think its interesting how you and I see things so much differently. You want to bring freedomus into this? If I remember, both of you were Mods in the political forum at CW ... and both of you were removed as mods because neither of you could refrain from personal attacks. After you and freedomus were removed, and even before you guys were removed, I continually had to edit your posts to get the personal attacks out of them. As far as I know, I had the reputation at CW for fair dealings. And, for your info, Dank, even though I was a Mod, I was entitled to my own opinion ... even though you didn't agree with them.
Now we can close the case.
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7xstall
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i have also noticed this and it's quite an odd phenomenon, on the web and in the real world. go to any leftist website and put a hint of support for anything not socialist and you'll be met not with persuasive arguments or compassionate pleas but with vulgar outbursts, en masse. mirror this experiment on a conservative site and you'll get the opposite response - persuasive arguments or compassionate pleas.
i have left leaning friends who aren't so bad but true leftists are downright thugly (new word just for my friends at rollitup.org) and quite prone to spew off hateful attacks on anyone not blindly subscribing to their logic-less declarations.
while the right generally retaliates with logic, cause/effect, history and known facts the left tends to do the opposite.. just look at any post on this board. almost every decline to personal attacks and name calling is initiated by a leftist.
anyway, i'd still like an answer to my post Vi. what do you see us gaining if we stay, what do we lose if we leave?
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ViRedd
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anyway, i'd still like an answer to my post Vi. what do you see us gaining if we stay, what do we lose if we leave?
Staying, we gain a solid foothold in the Middle East. That would mean (eventually) a stable Middle East and that is in our, and our allies best interests. Like it or not, the world runs on oil. The thought of terrorist countries controlling the oil is not a pleasant one. Leaving, we again become the Paper Tiger. A true super power without the will to win. Yes, I realize that staying is not the perfect situation but the the alternative seems to be the mistaken path to me.
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Staying, we gain a solid foothold in the Middle East. That would mean (eventually) a stable Middle East and that is in our, and our allies best interests. Like it or not, the world runs on oil. The thought of terrorist countries controlling the oil is not a pleasant one. Leaving, we again become the Paper Tiger. A true super power without the will to win. Yes, I realize that staying is not the perfect situation but the the alternative seems to be the mistaken path to me.
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7xstall
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imo, we don't need a foothold in terms of military conquest. a reconciliatory approach or even better a commerce driven approach will result in a self-balancing, low maintenance solution for the long term. it's not only expensive to have these "outposts" on foreign land it's difficult to make them effective - as we have witnessed repeatedly throughout history.
if we're not going to give them an overwhelming, clear defeat with extreme violence we're not going to win. we would have to literally unleash the dogs of war and that's not going to happen this late in the game.
no disrespect, but it is painfully obvious that it is our presence in the ME that has created instability, more of our presence will only result in more instability.
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if we're not going to give them an overwhelming, clear defeat with extreme violence we're not going to win. we would have to literally unleash the dogs of war and that's not going to happen this late in the game.
no disrespect, but it is painfully obvious that it is our presence in the ME that has created instability, more of our presence will only result in more instability.
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medicineman
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Come on, 7X, We can't be agreeing on this. My God, what has it come to that a wardog will agree to leave the middle east alone. Thank the lord some common sense is creeping through even to those of your right wing persuasion. Maybe us "lefties" aren't all that "stupid and ignorant" afterall. VI is too brainwashed and rich to come to this conclusion, his rich buddies are making too much money on war. Oh, and BTW, no disrespect.
ViRedd
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Hey, I'd like to see ALL of our troops come home. By that I mean not only from the Middle East, but from all across the Globe. In today's world, I don't believe that's the smart thing to do. Think about it for a moment. If we remove our bases from S. Korea, would it empower N. Korea? With the Soviet Union starting to rattle sabers again, should we pull our troops out of Europe and close our bases there as well? And then there's the Middle East. If we pull out, who will move in? Think hard about that and the ramifications it would have.
We are in the Middle East ... and especially Iraq for the long haul. The Republicans know that. The Democrats know that too. All of their talk about pulling out is nothing more than blowing political smoke. We are building a HUGE airbase 40 miles from Baghdad. We are building a HUGE embassy in Iraq as well. Learn to live with it ... we are in the Middle East to stay for generations to come.
As much as we don't like the idea, the economies of the producing countries run on oil. A stable oil supply is paramount in keeping those economies running. We are NOT in Iraq to "steal" the oil ... we are there to maintain a stable supply, not just for us, but for all of our trading partners as well. Why us? ... because we can.
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We are in the Middle East ... and especially Iraq for the long haul. The Republicans know that. The Democrats know that too. All of their talk about pulling out is nothing more than blowing political smoke. We are building a HUGE airbase 40 miles from Baghdad. We are building a HUGE embassy in Iraq as well. Learn to live with it ... we are in the Middle East to stay for generations to come.
As much as we don't like the idea, the economies of the producing countries run on oil. A stable oil supply is paramount in keeping those economies running. We are NOT in Iraq to "steal" the oil ... we are there to maintain a stable supply, not just for us, but for all of our trading partners as well. Why us? ... because we can.
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nowstopwhining
Too many brownies
Well im thinking after we are done with Iraq we may be going to war with Iran, and at that point we would be reinstating the draft. The government is getting pretty nasty about Iran's nuclear programs and we have no relationship with the country at all. If that happens I will be moving my ass down to Brazil....with all of that ASS hahaha. plus shit is cheap there I could live like a king for a while.
" “This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone,” the former high-level intelligence official told me. “Next, we’re going to have the Iranian campaign. We’ve declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy." "
Oh and Vi you speak of us having control over OTHER countries like it is a good thing and we have the right to do so. Why is it our responsibility to police the world like we have been doing for so long, and what gives us the right.
" “This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone,” the former high-level intelligence official told me. “Next, we’re going to have the Iranian campaign. We’ve declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy." "
Oh and Vi you speak of us having control over OTHER countries like it is a good thing and we have the right to do so. Why is it our responsibility to police the world like we have been doing for so long, and what gives us the right.
nowstopwhining
Too many brownies
no answer to my questions Vi?