Stoney McFried
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Didn't even change the fucking font.
Lmfao.
Your a total nut job and a fool.
You didnt write that at all.
Obama is the anti-Christ!!!
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natmoon
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He stole every single word from
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/evolution-vs-creationism/48718-reconciling-faith-god-acceptance-science.html
I just pmed the original poster on the religous forum in case he claims that he is that person,lol
Stoney McFried
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Found it.http://www.aboutcatholics.com/community/viewtopic.php?id=1268
Nice plagiarism.
Nice plagiarism.
Tronica
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Lmfao.
Your a total nut job and a fool.
You didnt write that at all.
I'm gonna keep ignoring you. I'd like to say that everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and beliefs on religion, life, death, evolution, creation... but I find it tedious to carry on a conversation on such a matter with someone of such low maturity.
Stoney McFried
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Damn, you beat me.
He stole every single word from
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/evolution-vs-creationism/48718-reconciling-faith-god-acceptance-science.html
I just pmed the original poster on the religous forum in case he claims that he is that person,lol
Stoney McFried
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We find it tedious to carry on a conversation with a psuedo intellectual.You're busted.Buh bye now.
natmoon
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Yeah lol hes obviously just a dumb kid that doesnt realise that we are of a fairly high intellect
Stoney McFried
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I never claimed to be of any great intelligence, but at least I'm smart enough not to plagiarize someone and leave the original font...ROTF
Yeah lol hes obviously just a dumb kid that doesnt realise that we are of a fairly high intellect
Stoney McFried
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He edited it out!LMAO!!Oh man, somebody get a mod, cuz they can still see that shit even if you delete it.
Tronica
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uuhh all i edited was the finished part. all i did was copy paste something and hit reply to early
you still have a real comeback to come up with
Stoney McFried
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Bullshit.You got served, and now you're trying to cover.I came up with a comeback, but since the actual author of that post isn't here, he can't respond.
natmoon
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This guy is a total liar and a fool he stole this work and then attempted to delete it to make it look like he never even wrote itI have thought about this more than any of you actually think i have and i am so much better than you all so i stole this from another site and trhen tried to pass it off as my own writings.
I then though that i could remove it and edit and write some other crap here and that the people on this site were really dumb and i was so clever.
God told me to do it
God does not exist. God is existence.
Let me start with a little background introduction. I was born and raised a Catholic and faith has always been a big part of my life. As I grew older and went to school I began to learn science and I enjoyed it. But the two seemed at times to conflict, especially the belief in God the creator and the theory of evolution. Without knowing much about evolution, and feeling that it took away from God somehow, I read about arguments against the theory. No proof of macro evolution, the reliability (or unreliability) of radiometric dating methods, etc. I was strong in my belief when the theory was weak. But then I took a philosophy class (in college) in which evolution was discussed as a topic. I began to see the flaws in my own arguments and realized that if I wanted to weaken the theory of evolution I would have to study the science for myself. That class and philosophy teacher where a big influence on my life. I went on to minor in geology specifically so that I could study the fossil record and evolution. I had another great teacher, a paleontologist. I took a class called 'life of the past' and another called 'evolutionary concepts' from him. To make a long story short all the walls finally came tumbling down. I had to admit to myself that Darwin was on to something, the evidence was overwhelming. Knowing that there can be no contradiction between science and religion I was stuck with a rather uneasy belief in a creator and a full acceptance of the tenets of the theory of evolution. I knew the two had to be compatible but I just didn't know exactly how they where. I was not satisfied with this and for the past year or so I have been thinking about how the relationship could be strengthened between these two beliefs. I wanted to have a strong, logical, rational reason for why God created through evolution because I have come to believe that is how it was done.
Finally let me say that what I came up with is no scientific theory or proof of creation. I think that any such thing is impossible because such proof would begin to infringe on free will and that cannot happen. The ideas that I will present represent my own thought on the matter although they are not necessarily new ideas I was heavily influenced by the philosophy and theology that I have studies. I have not discussed these thoughts with anyone and feel now that I have reached a point where I should begin to test these ideas in a public forum, so here goes....
The first thing that one needs is a proper understanding of the nature of God as creator. God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, etc. God is the ultimate reality. But if one is to prove that God is creator one must prove that God exists right? I came across the idea that God is not a being but being itself. This made me realize that asking whether God exists or not made no sense. When this question is put forth God is being reduced to a thing in the very asking of the question. If existence is a property that God either has or does not have, then it (existence) is more powerful than God, God becomes subservient to it. And it makes no sense to ask if existence exists since by the very fact that anything exists at all existence must be a necessary property of reality. What follows is that if time exists then it does so by partaking in existence and so existence is not subservient to time and is therefor timeless, eternal. In fact all things that exist, either actually exist or possibly exist from our perceptive, partake in existence. Unicorns have an existence even if it is only as a mental concept and not in physical reality. Existence is everywhere for everyplace that is, exists, even nowhere and nothing exist in some way. Existence is omnipresent So existence would have access to perfect knowledge of all things and by way of the arguments put forth by logical positivism this access would result in total perfect knowledge of everything, existence is omniscient. With total presence and total knowledge total power is not far behind. The more I thought about it the more clear it seemed to me, God does not exist... God is existence. The next question then is how does God give being itself, existence itself, to specific acts of being, specific existing entities like me and you and how does this relate to evolution?
Having existence as the metaphysical root of reality I wondered where essence came into play. I thought that perhaps instead of thinking of essence as something that provided being, that perhaps it was something that merely limited God's being. Think of essence as a filter through which God/existence flows through into specific being. Existence would flow out of God through the filter of the essence of, for example, our universe to become matter in space and time. Existence would flow through the filter of humanity to become a bipedal biological machine and then flow further through our individual essence, our own soul, to become our own particular act of being. In this way, God is a transcendent, all powerful, ungraspable, reality but at the same time is intimately connected to and personally knows each and every corner of all that is, was, and ever will be. God is both personal and transcendent. God is both creator of all reality and a the same time that which sustains it moment to moment, by continually pouring himself out into our reality. Like the psalm says:
"Of old you laid the foundations of the earth; the heavens are the works of your hands. They perish but you remain; they all wear out like a garment; like clothing you change them and they are changed, but you are the same, your years have no end.
Let me say again, this is not a proof, it is a logical system of reality that may or may not be the case. It is a philosophical theory of metaphysical reality. But I believe that it provides a solid foundation upon which God as creator is not only compatible with evolution, but necessarily follows from the nature of God as existence and the essential quality of the universe as matter in space and time. Holding a belief in God and accepting evolution, for me at least, is no longer an uneasy alliance of sorts. It seem as if there is no way for God to have created our reality without it being an evolving, constant pouring out of his being into our being. And the more I thought about it the more clear it was that the very nature of this universe is change, that everything evolves in some way. The very purpose of our lives here is to grow and evolve spiritually as individuals and as a species. Everything is on the path of becoming perfected at the end of time when God's creative act has been complete. God's act of salvation history is an evolution through Abraham and the patriarchs through Jesus and up to this day and into the future. And since God is so intimately involved in the unfolding of the natural world it becomes very easy to mistake the causal relations therein. One can see that evolution and even the initial emergence of life on earth for evolution to work on will necessarily appear as purely 'natural' events because they are! There is nothing wrong with that, it takes faith to see God's part in this whole drama and it must be this way because as I said before, if we could see God and prove that he is then our free will becomes almost if not totally meaningless.
Stoney McFried
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You wrote, claim what you want.Then you went back and put it(the post) back in.We can see that you edited your post.
Tronica
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remember the monk i was talking about in like page 5?
rofl, this is the original poster of that copy/paste
and that shit was discussed between me and him at like 1:30 am, slightly drunk, about 5 months before he went to the monastery.
i got served on what?
im still waiting for an answer here, and that was not copied from that forum either. i didn't even know he had it on there also. it came from a blog
rofl, this is the original poster of that copy/paste
and that shit was discussed between me and him at like 1:30 am, slightly drunk, about 5 months before he went to the monastery.
i got served on what?
im still waiting for an answer here, and that was not copied from that forum either. i didn't even know he had it on there also. it came from a blog
natmoon
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Actually you claimed to have written it yourself and then removed it and then edited to say that it was an excerpt.
Your a total liar and a fool.
We should get you banned
Stoney McFried
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Right.You tried to pass it off as your own.You gave no source or credit.You're full of crap.My answer is, you're full of crap.You are a psuedo intellectual who tries to act superior and well informed when in reality, you're probably a 16 year old kid on his mama's computer.
Tronica
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Actually you claimed to have written it yourself and then removed it and then edited to say that it was an excerpt.
Your a total liar and a fool.
We should get you banned
rofl i copy pasted it and hit reply and then edited it
THIS COPY WAS FROM A BLOG
not the forum you copied it from.
are you going to keep insisting i plagurized something or are you going to shoot this down with another new religion.
Stoney McFried
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No shit, man.The mods can see any edits or deletes you do, no matter what.
Actually you claimed to have written it yourself and then removed it and then edited to say that it was an excerpt.
Your a total liar and a fool.
We should get you banned
Stoney McFried
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You didn't edit it until we called you on it.The poster on that site says it's from another writer..so tell us which blog.Give us the link, if you please.We don't need a new religion to shoot you down.
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