Obama is the anti-Christ!!!

[Tronica]

If you look at the movie zeitgeist.

oh god..

pls dont start with that.

lol

 

[Zig Zag Zane]

no no no. see you're assuming here, i never said i didn't know how you didn't believe

its pretty simple really. you dont have faith. thats why you don't believe.

you need "proof" of god before you'll belive it. even if there is no proof there is no god, you still know that. by claiming to be atheist this is your cree.

this is why atheism is so dumb to me personally. it is the most close minded ego driven beliefe.

you can't prove anything, but you still clutch to nothing like its the truth.

thats why i personally cant stand atheist but i totally get where an agnostic is coming from.


and for the guy who doesn't know the difference.

an atheist has no beliefe. he does not believe there is not a god, he believes in nothing.

an agnostic is open minded. an agnostic does not presume there is no god, but also doesn't believe in a god or follow any religion. - these people i can understand, and they make sense.

natmoon, agnosticism is not a religion bro

yes, i need proof before i believe in some shit....why is that soooo crazy??lmao damn haha and how is being an athiest about your ego? what am i getting to boost my ego off becuz im athiest???im actually bashed becuz there are more religious ppl than athiest, and your wrong about us not believing in ANYTHING, like i said i believe their are things beyond us all, but i dont believe it comes in the form of an omniscent being who created and started everything...its actually really humble to believe in nothing, we dont strive to find the meaning of life or to be good to get into heaven, we just believe what we know...you got it all backwards, you say we have no proof...well YOU HAVE NO PROOF!lol

 

[Tronica]

yes, i need proof before i believe in some shit....why is that soooo crazy??lmao damn haha and how is being an athiest about your ego? what am i getting to boost my ego off becuz im athiest???im actually bashed becuz there are more religious ppl than athiest, and your wrong about us not believing in ANYTHING, like i said i believe their are things beyond us all, but i dont believe it comes in the form of an omniscent being who created and started everything...its actually really humble to believe in nothing, we dont strive to find the meaning of life or to be good to get into heaven, we just believe what we know...you got it all backwards, you say we have no proof...well YOU HAVE NO PROOF!lol

pointless.

im debating this with someone who doesnt even know the basics of his own arguments or the "beliefe" ( lack thereof, go look up atheism) in his own debate.

and go back one page and answer my other question that you skipped.

no offense but i think you're not very well versed in this topic but you're continuing anyways.

 

[GoldenGanja13]

get over it people

 

[natmoon]

Exactly.
My whole point is that which zigzag said.
You didn't even read what i said and if you did you only saw what you wanted to see.
As many people here know i am a firm believer in Jesus and in God and the Devil.

I may not go to church and sing stupid songs or knock on peoples doors and try to force them to believe but that doesn't mean i don't have any religion.
Do you really think that my beliefs need the popes and state approval for them to be mine?

I also believe that it is a fact that the bible states that if any man changes even one word of the bible then the bible should be considered useless.
As it is 66 books have been removed,the only text that was proven to have been written by a Jesus of Nazareth in Aramaic has been declared blasphemous and all of the ancient recipes for healing and enlightenment have been removed.

The bible has been altered by so many king's priests and such like over time how do you know what your reading isn't total crap?
I believe in my heart and in physics and in logic,logic tells me that a great positive force must exist as must a negative one.
Wether or not they have a direct hand in manipulating me or you does not make me agnostic.

You speak about that which you obviously know very little and singing songs in church does not make you Christian.
P.S. God told me he was sick of listening to the same old crap for the past few hundred years

 

[Tronica]

get over it people

get over us.

 

[Tronica]

Exactly.
My whole point is that which zigzag said.
You didn't even read what i said and if you did you only saw what you wanted to see.
As many people here know i a firm believer in Jesus and in God and the Devil.

I may not go to church and sing stupid songs or knock on peoples doors and try to force them to believe but that doesn't mean i don't have any religion.
Do you really think that my beliefs need the popes and state approval for them to be mine?

I also believe that it is a fact that the bible states that if any man changes even one word of the bible then the bible should be considered useless.
As it is 66 books have been removed,the only text that was proven to have been written by a Jesus of Nazareth in Aramaic has been declared blasphemous and all of the ancient recipes for healing and enlightenment have been removed.

The bible has been altered by so many king's priests and such like over time how do you know what your reading isn't total crap?
I believe in my heart and in physics and in logic,logic tells me that a great positive force must exist as must a negative one.
Wether or not they have a direct hand in manipulating me or you does not make me agnostic.

You speak about that which you obviously know very little and singing songs in church does not make you Christian.
P.S. God told me he was sick of listening to the same old crap for the past few hundred years

i dont go to church.

and you don't sound very christian to me.

dont mock the same god you claim you believe in the same page.

ffs.

 

[Zig Zag Zane]

well if you believe in the big bang, and the scientifical theories that come with that, then where did the 2 atoms come from?

if nothing was created from something, what created the nothing?

the big bang theory can be explained with relgiion too, and so can all of evolution.

but let me ask you since you brought it up, where does your enlightenment come from?

what do you live for knowing that you, and everything about you, will cease to exist when you die? why do you practice this exercise in futility called life?

why do i practice living? uhhh because we are fucking here...were on this earth, and living is great! i dont need an expectation of heavens gate once i die or 80 virgins and shit, i simply try to enjoy life since im here and not make perfect sense of it with a book to follow and a bunch of rules which dictates whats good and bad, and what i been trynna say is that the 2 atoms thing to create the big bang...my athiesm doesnt mean i think it came from fucking no where but like i said, there are things beyond us and this earth, but i dont think it was an omniscent giant human being in the sky , and sice your religious, shouldnt you be disregarding science and the big bang?

 

[Tronica]

i can explain the big bang and evolution with religion.

why disregard it?

quit putting the bible in my hand too pls because i have not brought it up once.


For Natmoon
Agnosticim is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism.[1]

 

[Tronica]

but natmoon.

you can continue with your own made up "beliefes" all you want.

lots of nuts out there like you have done so and created entire religions out of it in the past 500 years so maybe you're onto somehting.

 

[natmoon]

i dont go to church.

and you don't sound very christian to me.

dont mock the same god you claim you believe in the same page.

ffs.

The only person that mocks god is you lot.
Do you really think that an omnipotent being that created everything would care that you had wanked or had sex with a same sex partner or that he flies on a cloud with trumpets talking crap and burning people because they forgot the sabbath.

Show some respect for the unfathomable and stop singing shitty songs at him,he don't like it,its boring,all you ever ask for is shit for yourselves.
God laughs at you all imo,bunch of nobs,preaching repression and doom.
God is about love and peace,the devil is about chaos and violence because that is their nature.
Both are required for life and i was given my free will to speak my mind and make my choices and that is what i will do

 

[Zig Zag Zane]

pointless.

im debating this with someone who doesnt even know the basics of his own arguments or the "beliefe" ( lack thereof, go look up atheism) in his own debate.

and go back one page and answer my other question that you skipped.

no offense but i think you're not very well versed in this topic but you're continuing anyways.

tronica, your saying i dont even know what i am and that im not athiest, well i say im athiest, because thats the closest to what a believe, and i usually dont even like to label myself in any of these terms, because the point of being athiest is to live without that idea of being part of a religious group and the definition of athiest may not fit my beliefs completely to the fucking T, but its the closest. so box me however you want....and plus were just running in circles.

 

[Tronica]

tronica, your saying i dont even know what i am and that im not athiest, well i say im athiest, because thats the closest to what a believe, and i usually dont even like to label myself in any of these terms, because the point of being athiest is to live without that idea of being part of a religious group and the definition of athiest may not fit my beliefs completely to the fucking T, but its the closest. so box me however you want....and plus were just running in circles.

hey now you've got it. thats exactly what an atheist is.

 

[Tronica]

The only person that mocks god is you lot.
Do you really think that an omnipotent being that created everything would care that you had wanked or had sex with a same sex partner or that he flies on a cloud with trumpets talking crap and burning people because they forgot the sabbath.

Show some respect for the unfathomable and stop singing shitty songs at him,he don't like it,its boring,all you ever ask for is shit for yourselves.
God laughs at you all imo,bunch of nobs,preaching repression and doom.
God is about love and peace,the devil is about chaos and violence because that is their nature.
Both are required for life and i was given my free will to speak my mind and make my choices and that is what i will do

hey bud, go back and read more.

 

[Zig Zag Zane]

well thats the point im just simply trynna make, i live my life, as if religion was never even a word or an idea

 

[Tronica]

zig, what do you think happens to you when you die? do you believe in a soul or a concious beyond what you know now?

 

[natmoon]

i can explain the big bang and evolution with religion.

why disregard it?

quit putting the bible in my hand too pls because i have not brought it up once.


For Natmoon
Agnosticim is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism.[1]

Are you really stupid or just blind?
Read what you've posted.
I said the "universe" was impossible because it is and i still believe in god and the devil.
Something cannot come from nothing,the end.
Therefore the universe cannot exist yet it does making it impossible.

I don't need proof of any kind that there must be an equal and opposing force on either side of the universe,its totally obvious and basic physics.
The only debate is whether they are sentient in their entirety or if they just effect us as people on a daily basis due to the energy that they emit.
As i said before i am not agnostic and you don't read or understand fully before you speak.

 

[Stoney McFried]

Quite frankly, humans only see time in a linear fashion,and so think of things as having a "beginning" and an "ending".The big bang is easily explained, and clues are observable in space as we see it today.Basically, if you look at supernovae, you can see the big bang in miniature...how, when the star has used up it's available supply of gases, heavier elements come into play...the star collapses in on itself,causing a violent expulsion of the surrounding star stuff.From this death, new stars emerge over time, and the cycle begins anew.So There is no real absolute beginning or ending, it is a never ending cycle that perpetuates itself over and over again.So theoretically, there have been many "universes".
Now, we can put the same question to you.WHere did god come from?Who created god?Who created the person who created god?Why did this god abandon us?Why didn't he leave a note, a clue as to his existence?Surely, he's existed for more than the 6000 years the bible spans, so why did it take people so long to write about him?Why didn't he let us know basic things like, the earth is round, the sun is the center of the solar system?

well if you believe in the big bang, and the scientifical theories that come with that, then where did the 2 atoms come from?

if nothing was created from something, what created the nothing?

the big bang theory can be explained with relgiion too, and so can all of evolution.

but let me ask you since you brought it up, where does your enlightenment come from?

what do you live for knowing that you, and everything about you, will cease to exist when you die? why do you practice this exercise in futility called life?

I was citing zeitgeist because it is an easily identifiable example.However, if you care to research, you'll see that there are many sources which confirm what it says, the origin of the Christ myth is nothing new.

oh god..

pls dont start with that.

lol

 

[Tronica]

Are you really stupid or just blind?
Read what you've posted.
I said the "universe" was impossible because it is and i still believe in god and the devil.
Something cannot come from nothing,the end.
Therefore the universe cannot exist yet it does making it impossible.

I don't need proof of any kind that there must be an equal and opposing force on either side of the universe,its totally obvious and basic physics.
The only debate is whether they are sentient in their entirety or if they just effect us as people on a daily basis due to the energy that they emit.
As i said before i am not agnostic and you don't read or understand fully before you speak.

disregarded.

zig good stuff. i gotta go but ill check for your answer later.

 

[AGSteve]

atheist and agnostic are words made by man to describe ppl by those who think they know better.