Bubbleponics NooB!

[Jizzmaster0]

Yeah I thought it was just me being paranoid. I think they are fine myself and am not worrying about it. If it were spreading or getting worse then i'd probably worry but it's been the same few leaves since it started. Ok thanks for the quick reply rosey, ttyl

 

[Jizzmaster0]

The seedlings are going on 4 days old now. They are rocketing out so far! 2nd set of true leaves coming in quick. I am going to put them in their new home in the bathroom under CFL's with 1/2 strength nutes today. The runt is so cute, I can't kill him, I gotta give him the chance!

The larger plants look good, no problems at all with Ph or anything. I stopped the humidifier and the temps are down low, to 68 or so which sucks, it's cold here. but they dont seem to mind. Waiting for them to show me gender..they are so BUSHY i cannot see the stem near the top without moving branches out of the way...this is a super super stout, short plant but looks so nice and fits great with one other in that tote. Im going to veg for another 2 weeks or so then make up my mind to keep them as mothers or clone them or just let the auto flowering ones pass them by. Decisions all over the place. I can always just keep them alive and decide later depending how to auto dwarfs come out. will keep the thread going, i havent seen many good lowryder mix grow journals.

Also went to a hydro store nearby, good place, got 10/10 ft of black/white poly, more net cups, grow rocks and an ONA type gel block. Hope the new kids turn out ok after the move, i am so paranoid growing from seed anymore...read back in the journal just now to remember how dumb I was and look at me now! OK moment over

 

[Roseman]

FROM NEWBIE TO GROW PRO! WOW!

 

[dmoose]

...read back in the journal just now to remember how dumb I was and look at me now! OK moment over

Me2 Jizz. It is hard to remember back when I was killing everything that tried to grow in my vacinity. But things are going GREAT NOW! Sorry I wasn't around for the problems, but I have been working on my NEW space. I amaze Myself sometimes! Also picked up a SHITLOAD of new equiptment...lights, fans, filters, hydro buckets......etc.

Oh, and dont worry about the temps, I run in the low 60's at night and only 68 during lights on, and the plants love it. It is also good to keep away some pests, and bad bacteria. The Girls are Beautiful! Your doing a GREAT Job!

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Hello all, thanks for the words of encouragement, it really is nice to klnow I have the ability now to make these plants thrive. I just hope my next problem is what to do with all the fine bud they produce!

I hung the black/white poly up as you can see. My GF is going to help me make a sheet that I will tack up and split down the middle to cover the whole area, gonna be a little light cube when I'm done, I took pics of the temp unit...styrofoam which glows like some sort of disturbing radiation leak. That little 250 is now kicking out like 30% more light that isn't being wasted on leaks, Im so proud of me.

The little ones seem fine, the leaf development isn't as quick now but I'm assuming the roots are where this type of plant concentrates to be able to flower immed. Usual BS with transporting and changes in environment and the PH being tedious since the water is new...they look ok though except for little Runtboy...who beter be a boy! It is amazing how fast the Auto dwarves start laying down roots, I had decent structure after 3 days in that little tupper.

OK so you have a pic of the mostly finished setup, the ladies still not showing gender, and the little auto's coming in...I'm going to flower my ladies now I decided...that way they are out of the way and I can start the auto dwarf project with a 1-2-3 sort of system. Should work out fine, i have it mapped out in my head. I will miss the diesels but I can always get another 5 pack of fem. something, not like its hard to find anymore. will update in a few more days but I'm laid off now so I'm bored...might be a long journal!

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Tragedy! Well almost, not sure yet, spilled a bottle of PH UP over on the shitty shelving over top of the plants. It was dripping and splattering down the light and off the poly, it was a fucking mess. Not too much got on the plant, it was a smaller bottle of it. I am having HUGE problems regulating my PH in both res's. MY electronic PH Meter says its super low but then the drip test says otherwise. I dont have any buffer, storage or calibration fluid for my electronic PH meter though so I cant be sure how accurate it is..it came with one foil container of solution to calibrate and that was it.

I switched the lighting as of tonight so the larger plants will begin flowering in a week or so and the seedlings seem ok except for the runt, no problems but for a lowryder hybrid they dont seem to be winning any speed records yet. Weird.

Chemical burn starting on some of the leaf areas, how nice. Hope she makes it thru, Can't wait to have a house and a real grow room setup instead of this closet/bathroom shit. Went at the burned plant with some scissors to get rid of the dying leaves. Wasn't too much to trim but lost 1 of the HUGE shade/fan leaves at the bottom...looks ugly but perky witht he new curtain up too. Will post pics of the damage later as a learning experience. Also if anyone knows how to solve my PH issue let me know what they would do in that sit. I cant really go out and but a TDS/EC, god knows what else meter so I guess I have to try and fig it out for myself. Seems like the PH drops when there is more Nutes in the water solution. I was dumping PH UP into the res of the larger plants and the stupid Meter still says like 4.5. I tried to do a drop test and it looks like its green, impossible to tell for sure.

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Day later:
Everything looks pretty good really I was surprised to see when I woke up. The babies are starting to pick up speed again, i'm guessing the time they seemed to halt was to focus on root growth. The 2 DEFINITE females! are doing good despite my little accident yesterday. The affected leaves are holding on but are discolored and obviously not going to help much, will trim them down later. They have had 1 night of 12/12 and everything is looking fine, especially with my light trapper setup, they LOVE it now. So, i got 2 more seed pops with the auto flower strain. They were put in paper towels like 36 hours ago, very viable seeds, makes me wonder why the one is a runt then..oh well. I got a new table for my res. too. My gf had one of those 3 ft. white folding picnic jobs, gonna give me more space to work, cant have enough space to work I am finding out. Havent tested PH yet and I think I should wait for a bit and stop being a nut about it. The plants are alive, roots look good so I am not messing with them too much. I'm also at the point where I'm sort of regretting getting a 250 instead of 400 watt light setup. For the standard size strains anyway, that was another learning experience. Get good quality and alot of lighting right away. 400 Wats would have really lit the suckers up I think. Oh well. You can also tell when I turn the plants since they lean in different angles! maybe with a 400 they would be really straight and bushy. Oh well, the auto dwarves wont be so demanding so it was probably better after all...rambling, wake and bake morning for me!

OK that's it, so what did we learn over the last few days.

As the TDS goes up the Ph seems to drop
DO NOT prep/mix or store chemicals near the plants! Have a separate area and bring only what you need with you.
Good quality seeds will get good germination and growth rates, shity bag seed is a gamble.
Contain all the light you can, light leaks cost you good growth, time and more importantly ... bud!

I'm totally picking up some Molasses for the last 2 weeks flowering phase...heard nothing but good things
and seen good evidence. Need all the help I can get with these! Also I am DONE with Metal Halide lamps. I just switched over to the HPS bulb on day 3 of flowering. I forgot how much more light you get out of the HPS...I think after these plants are done I'm getting a SUPER HPS with the little more blue spec for my 250. Should be good for all the growth and flowering I need when putting 2 week olds in there. Dont think Im going to have more than 4-5 plants flowering at a time and those will be the dwarves anyway.

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Hey kids. Everyone is doing great over here. In spite of my little spill the plants are super strong looking. Had to thin out some of the leaves in the bottom 1/3 of the plants though. The left plant was too bushy and those bud points werent getting light and the right plants had burned white leaves from the PH UP I dropped on it.

The hairs are super pronounced now. I have had them 12/12 for 4 nights now I think and am going to change out the nutes to Bloom today later on. They are really great plants, I am hopefull for some substantial buds. The stems are like tree trunks and the nodes are super tight. Im keeping the HPS nice and tight on them just in case, cant have another stretched to hell plant. One more good thing about the 250 watter is the closeness you can get to the canopy.

The Babies are adorable. Even that deformed phantom of the opera sprout wants to hold his own! Im naming him Rudy. I have 4 more in rockwool in the sealed tub getting ready to go into the main system. I have kept germ 2 seeds every 2-3 days and I think im going to have my system that way for good. That way im always cycling plants in and out without any waiting period. I am pretty stoked about these seeds and their vigor. 1 sickly/weak plants so far and 100% germination and peekage through the rockwool. Pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned. Hope there are more strong plants like those 3 on the way. OK more to come enjoy the pics.

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Hey all. Another few days have passed and things are going ok I think. The only concern I have is one of the young auto dwarfs with leaf discoloration (pic shown). If anyone knows what this may be please let me know. I drilled more holes in the veg station and sat the more developed seedlings in it. They all are fine even the runt has normal leaves growing and getting larger faster. The flowering female diesels are also looking bushy and taller. I am going to have to lower the table a few inches for them. So, nothing eventful really. Just playing the waiting game...if anyone knows what that bad leaf spot is let me know ASAP thank you so much.


Well I think it is a PH Fluctuation and that plant was just more succeptable to its negative affects. The other plants aren't doing anything weird. I found out my PH Meter is jacked up. It read under 2 for the Ph in the veg system with the young young plants but then I did a drip color test and it was high like 6.5 high. I lowered the Ph to 6 and did another test to confirm. IDK why one set of leaves would go bad but the new growth is OK so I am not going to worry about it but im def. not going w the pocket PH meter until I have it calibrated and reading consistently. Wonder why no responses...the views are up high. Wonder if the local Johnny Law is readin my shit...o well.

 

[dmoose]

I was dumping PH UP into the res of the larger plants and the stupid Meter still says like 4.5. I tried to do a drop test and it looks like its green, impossible to tell for sure.

Dont dump PH UP or Down directly into the res. Get a container and dip it in the res, add and MIX the PH Up or Down in the water you just pulled from the res. Then dump that back into the res, and mix well.

I find when I use my PH pen to measure PH in my tiny bubbler, the reading can change 0.5 just a couple inches away. So I would think just dumping it into the res would create some real Hot Spots.

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/157345-have-plant-problem-check-here.html

Follow that link to Plant Problems and compare either the PH Flucuation 2nd pic, and/or the Magneseum Deficiency 2nd pic. Campare and follow the instructions on how to fix the problem.

Hope this helps. Your doing GREAT!

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Thanks for the info Moosey. I did check out that thread under Plant Problems and seems like the PH may be off enough to affect the Mg. I have been checking the PH with the drops until my solutions arrive in a few days. Im going to take your advice and treat a larger amount of water w/ph up or down then dump that in the res to ensure no hot spots. Didn't think it would make much difference but apparently so. I got 2 new gallons of nutes mixed up with lower PH so maybe that will offset it enough when I top off. The flowering diesels are exploding. Going to start them on full strength bloom nutes today when I top off at night. The babies are all ok, I should have cut holes with a little more room between them. Even the dwarves are branching out sideways taking up some real estate. none of the babies seems to be affected by the PH/Mg issue even the smallest ones. Few more coming up in the little white tupperware and will go in the system tomorrow night I think. Will get pics late tomorrow when everything is done. What a pain in the ass keeping up with 2 different types of plants in 2 different stages of dev. like a FT job

 

[dmoose]

I believe you should be OK now. Your Girls look like they LOVE the Black and White Poly that you hung on your walls. Now they are getting hit with light from all directions. Those leaves are looking Phat!

Running more rooms seems to be easier with Soil, but I took some clones of the MK Ultra and put them in my DIY Bubbler. Last time they were ready for transplant at about 10 days. But I really want to run some type of Hydro. Have the makings for DWC, Top Feed, and Flood and Drain. But I havent decided which way to go. Tell me, how do you like your system? And if you were starting over right now, which way would you go?

 

[Jizzmaster0]

I think I would have still started the way I did but not try and cut corners as much as I did in the beginning. I also would def. make my own system like I wound up doing.

This seems to be a case where it's 90%preparation to have success. The proper lighting, test equipment and know how in case something simple does go wrong. The bubbler may have ben ambitious, soil may have been a better way to start but with all that waste material and dirt it wasn't quite good for my apartment lifestyle.

The bubbler is good because there are very few parts to go bad. The aquarium pump can even crap out and you have some time to oxygenate the water...it's just that Ph is more crucial because the roots are sitting in it the whole time. I guess it's most like personal preference with the hydro systems. also if you're more into speed then go hydro but soil has been proven to produce more quality taste and smoke...i personally am looking for quick turnaround and stealth with the low ryder hybrids in a hydro system.

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Well all the kids seem to be coming along fine. I have lost some enthusiasm for the auto hybrids mostly because they just don't seem to have the vigor I expected. Also they are getting branchy which sucks because I have nowhere else to put them until the regular strains are done in 7 more weeks.

I'm not germ any more seeds for now either for this reason. The 3 largest of the small ones are doing well though and should show gender any day now. I lost track of their age, isn't that horrible? I had to throw one seedling down the disposal though, it opened up looking like a Tulip! No split on the other side of the seed leaves so it was trying to open but couldnt! Weird, I tried cuting the leaves but it got really sad looking so i tossed the bugger...1 in 10 isnt too bad from what Im used to!

As far as the 2 female diesels they look fantastic. Nice and bushy and really sucking down the nutes. Not messing with them AT ALL!

So that's about it. I'd love to be able to have 3 area's for growth and constantly be cyclin shit in and out but I think just starting seeds every few days when the flowering area is unoccupied with Hannakuh Bushes will work out fine for a plant or 2 every week. Sucks not having the space to really make it worthwhile...these things take so bloody long it's getting tough to maintain the energy to keep them going.

One of the seedlings keeps twisting it's shade(wider botom leaves) pretty noticebly. The others are not, wonder why?

In any case, one I think, is male and hopefully I get a few females out of the deal for seed breeding purposes.

I also read somewhere that with Hydro the PH should be under 6 but over 5.2. I have been trying to shoot for 6 whether flowering or vegging just to keep it in between the extremes.

PH test fluid came in today so I will have a calibrated instrument instead of guessing away at drops and shit. Just hope it works properly now.

PS the runt is the seedling all the way on the right...the fucker pulled through and started growing normal leaves can u believe that?! The twister playing plant is all the way on the left and there are week old seedlings stuck in the middle NOT getting enough light as I'd like them to.
Also if u look closely near the white tub the babies are in...see how the leaf is curling tightly up on that side? what the hell causes that?! Looks like its trying to roll itself into a joint...wow, think of the possibilities!
Comments...questions...all are welcome

 

[Jizzmaster0]

OK THEN! Doing the happy dance, doing the happy dance, doing the happy dance...yes and singing the happy song. Just learned another valuable lesson; I calibrated my Hannah pocket Ph meter with the solutions. Got it perfect. Then Thanks to my buddy Moose up there, I took a small sample (2oz in Bahamas themed shot glass) and measured the PH AFTER checking it directly in the bubbler res. WHAT A FUCKIN DIFFERENCE! When you take readings near an air stone I guess it throws it off COMPLETELY! the sample read at exactly what I thought it would. 6.25. This is after I got a reading of like 2 in the res! I added PH Down to the sample and threw it in the res to mix so never adding up or down directly to the res without a buffer. The flowering res is at 5.8 which is perfect. So another huge lesson DO NOT TEST PH FROM RES! Take a small sample, test ph and add as needed up or down. Was reading high also almost .5 higher for both fluids. Thanks Moose for bringing that to my attention. Now I have to add an EC/PPM meter to my tool collection but not for a while I think. The small plants dont seem to want too much of a nute concentration so I am just waiting to see them pale a little then add 1/2 strength. The other down side to having plants at different stages in the same bubbler. WHOEVER READS THIS ADD TO MOOSE'S REP PLEASE!

 

[dmoose]

Hey Jizz, You are way too Kewl! Thanks Bro.

Thought I would post a couple pics of my girls

They were vegged for 8 weeks while I built the Flower Room. These are at day 18 of 12/12.

 

[dmoose]

Here are some Side shots for your viewing pleasure! LOL

Here is a good pic to show LST

 

[Jizzmaster0]

Damn Moose, way to show me up lol! They look great. I am so worried about my little ones now. The seedlings that are larger in the veg area are really branchy and now hogging all the light from the recent additions. Totally sucks but there.s not much I can do about it.

The diesels are still looking great. The one on the left grew overnight into the light hood and burned 2-3 leaves on the bulb. That'l teach her. Not much new and exciting unless you count Hempy Buckets. I'm totally switchin over this week. Probably going to just keep the totes and use them as drip basins with 6-8 plastic 2 liter bottles cut to size and drilled with a hydroton and vermiculite mix. That way I can move plants around more easily and no worries about different needs since they will all be contained and easily manipulated. Also no heavy ass res. full of slop to try and move around when it's time to clean them! So, will get some pics when I swap everything over. as far as gender goes for the auto dwarfs...i think I have 2 males and 1 femnale. Really hard to get down there and see. Another bitch of the job that will be solved when I can simply lift a small bucket up and look at it without worrying about roots dangling all over the place.

 

[Jizzmaster0]

I am so glad I moved those little seedlings to the kitchen. There seemed to have been some sort of radiation leak and it caused the dwarves to grow 100% overnight lol. They bushed out bigtime after upgraded the one light from a 42 to 65 watter. Now the 3 seedlings are under the 42 CFL in another spot. They look great and I will check for gender later on when I get in from riding. Everyone looks good, PH is no longer an issue and I got a big bag of vermiculite for the hempy pots im going to make soon. So, all is right with the world. Will put up some pics of the diesels when the difinitive flowering starts. BTW those dwarves are less than 3 weeks old! They really do start to blow up after rooting. I pulled one out and the root structure is about 2 ft. long in there. So, not mcuh else to say for now, going out on the motorcycle, this gang can be ok alone, I trust them

 

[dmoose]

I think the hybrids would fit perfectly in the soda bottles and solve the width issue. You need to take a look at the roots of the Diesels, and figure out if you need to put those in a larger container, like a gallon milk container. They may allready be to big for the soda bottle.

I Love how the Diesels have filled out! I think the Hempy idea will help you increase your yeild because you will be able to separate them a bit and rotate them 2. More Light = More Bud

I believe today is 2 weeks of 12/12. How about a close-up of the bud formation? I need some Bud Porn!