Should George W Bush be arrested for war crimes?

[shortybighead]

g.w bush is a disgrace of a leader,i think him cheney and osama bin laden plotted the whole 9-11 thing just for a reason to go to iraq and take out sadam,take control of the oil fields and tax the hell out of the u.s citizens for gas,cheney and him both have oil companies in their families,what happen to bin laden any ways thought he was the master mind in all of this the only one they didn't find. maybe because he is shacked up on a ranch in texas. people died and still are dieing so these oh so great leaders can get richer and richer

 

[shortybighead]

and if you think this poll is wrong demand a recount!!!!!!!!!! the no option would be not to take part in it at all

 

[the.fatman.cometh]

War crimes? Not supporting Bush here, but if you remember, well some of you obviously don't, Bush has the authorization of Congress for the Iraq war. Most of those Congressmen/women in the Democrat Party who supported that authorization are now whining about defunding the war and withdrawing the troops in order to appease the Cindy Sheean wing of the Ultra-Liberal Whiner Party. Also remember, Bush had the U.N. sanction to take out Iraq.

So, where's the "unauthorized" war or the crimes?

And by the way, this entire poll is indicitive of the Whiner Party. Not fair and balanced at all ... just geared for the outcome they desire. How could it be otherwise? There is no place for a "No" vote. Whiner!
Vi

ViRedd, I was asking this rhetorically, not literally, all though I do mean that even though congress went along with it and "approved" the war, I believe they did so being misinformed, as well as being overly cautious due to the events of 9/11. What I meant by "war crimes" is in reference to the crimes against humanity. That is what this war is, because it is unjust! Why? Because it is war! People die as if ther were no other alternative!
What Bush and congress did to Iraq is akin to me going a couple of blocks down the street and knocking on someone's door, dragging them out of the house and beating them. When I am done administering "justice" to this person and they ask "Why?" I will say, "I kicked your ass before you kicked mine." Do you see what I am saying? I mean where is the proof of "WMD's" in Iraq? You don't hear about that anymore because now we just want to pull our boys out of their and fix this mess somehow. Well, hopefully another incompetent maniac who can't pronounce the very words he choose to say, will not be appointed to office, I mean voted in, whoops.
I mean he actually said, "All of our imports come from other countries."
Really, W? well good observation.
Peace

 

[suicidesamurai]

Education does mean everything, knowledge means the difference between success and failure. Mr. suicidesamurai, you attack me because of my opinion regarding the presidents actions, mainly thrusting our great nation into a war that is both unnecessary and without merit? That is illogical. Do you prefer paying between 3.00 and 4.00 a gallon for gas? Do you like our nation being held in contempt by the majority of the nations on earth? Do you approve of the violence that has escalated in the middle east since the Bush administration has taken the reigns? I hope not. But you must, as you advocate his action in your posts in this thread, even going so far as to vehemently defend him as if you knew him personally!

I actually don't like Bush or his policies. However, I react negatively toward anyone that speaks against him because I can rightly assume, atleast the large majority of the time, that they are lefties.

As far as my employment, well, we don't sell milkshakes through a drive-thru, no sir I am a marketing consultant for one of my city's top ad firms.

By 'marketing consultant' do you mean you are one of those guys spinning the signs on the street corner?

Now if I may ask, you go by suicidesamurai, is that an intentional paradox aimed at being witty, or did it just "sound cool", of course you know that the samurai held personal honor higher than life itself, only committing "suicide" as an attempt to express the shame of dishonor and prevent the name of their family from being smeared with dishonor.

Suicide Samurai is a song by Nirvana. I would have used their song "I Hate Myself and Want to Die" but it is probably too long. I've been using SuicideSamurai as a handle since I was 15. It just stuck.

I already knew that about Samurais. I could learn that from typing 'Samurai' into the search box at Wikipedia. But nonetheless, I am impressed by your stellar knowledge of Japanese history.

So, in closing I apologize for the grammatical error earlier as for any in this post, I am stoned, after all and this is a "stoner" site, so smoke one, and take a closer look at the Bush administration for what they really are.
Peace

Apology accepted.

 

[the.fatman.cometh]

Excellent response, I can see you really thought that last comment out!
And I thought you were only getting personal with your attack, so it's the "lefties" you dislike, amazing that you don't address the meat of my post, chewing only the fat. I suppose your baby teeth have not been replace by your adult teeth, huh?
Well, I am sorry to hear that, and I would like to ask you to discontinue personal attacks, as they are not accepted here, and stay on topic.
We can discuss my opinion of the Bush admin (the general tone of this thread) as well as the opinion of those who have posted here and actually get what I am saying, or you could possibly start a thread regarding YOUR opinion of the matter. After all isn't this a friendly discussion?

 

[medicineman]

Excellent response, I can see you really thought that last comment out!
And I thought you were only getting personal with your attack, so it's the "lefties" you dislike, amazing that you don't address the meat of my post, chewing only the fat. I suppose your baby teeth have not been replace by your adult teeth, huh?
Well, I am sorry to hear that, and I would like to ask you to discontinue personal attacks, as they are not accepted here, and stay on topic.
We can discuss my opinion of the Bush admin (the general tone of this thread) as well as the opinion of those who have posted here and actually get what I am saying, or you could possibly start a thread regarding YOUR opinion of the matter. After all isn't this a friendly discussion?

I don't know about his opinion, but here's mine again, Cut off their balls while they are hanging upside down on National TV. And I'm not a lefty, but someone that has been watching these assholes from day 1. They are responsible for so many deaths and misery that I can't think of a more fitting punishment. Hang em!

 

[Gygax1974]

I don't know about his opinion, but here's mine again, Cut off their balls while they are hanging upside down on National TV. And I'm not a lefty, but someone that has been watching these assholes from day 1. They are responsible for so many deaths and misery that I can't think of a more fitting punishment. Hang em!

I think they should send them to Iraq....lol

 

[shortybighead]

hey i am a lefty wtf?

 

[Gygax1974]

I'm not, but I know what Samurai is saying I used to feel that way about some of the bitching in this country. But I have to remember that everyone has a right to speak their mind. I honestly do not like Bush though....war is bad enough, know what I'm saying?

 

[suicidesamurai]

Excellent response, I can see you really thought that last comment out!

I do appreciate your kind words. A compliment about my excellent responses is always welcome. What a nice young lad you are. Perhaps sometime you can come over and we can share a nice pitcher of sweet tea. You'd so enjoy it, I'm only certain.

And I thought you were only getting personal with your attack, so it's the "lefties" you dislike, amazing that you don't address the meat of my post, chewing only the fat. I suppose your baby teeth have not been replace by your adult teeth, huh?
Well, I am sorry to hear that, and I would like to ask you to discontinue personal attacks, as they are not accepted here, and stay on topic.
We can discuss my opinion of the Bush admin (the general tone of this thread) as well as the opinion of those who have posted here and actually get what I am saying, or you could possibly start a thread regarding YOUR opinion of the matter. After all isn't this a friendly discussion?

I attack lefties personally.

 

[GrowRebel]

War crimes? Not supporting Bush here, but if you remember, well some of you obviously don't, Bush has the authorization of Congress for the Iraq war. Most of those Congressmen/women in the Democrat Party who supported that authorization are now whining about defunding the war and withdrawing the troops in order to appease the Cindy Sheean wing of the Ultra-Liberal Whiner Party. Also remember, Bush had the U.N. sanction to take out Iraq.

So, where's the "unauthorized" war or the crimes?

And by the way, this entire poll is indicitive of the Whiner Party. Not fair and balanced at all ... just geared for the outcome they desire. How could it be otherwise? There is no place for a "No" vote. Whiner!
Vi

... it galls me when someone who isn't beening shot at or never will know what it's like on the front lines to talk about whining ... is that worst than being a coward like the illegitimate bush who didn't "fight for freedom" when he had the chance.

The Iraqi's what us the fuck out their country who are you or the illegitmate war crimimal bush to say the US must stay? The illegitimate bush did NOT have UN approval ...

Also the war is not only immoral, but illegal ... and if you support this war ... you support the illegitimate bush.

[URL="http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=37257"]Proof of illegal war [/URL]
Posted Apr 9, 2007
Resolution 1441 demanded that Iraq give up its alleged weapons of mass destruction. The measure threatened "serious consequences" if Iraq did not disarm.
The U.S., Britain, and Spain introduced a newer resolution to the United Nations on February 24. It stated that Iraq was in "material breach" of Resolution 1441 - language that could have led to the U.N.'s involvement in the current strike. However, the U.N. did not pass the measure. So the current strike against the Gulf nation comes without the full support of the U.N. - a move President Bush had insisted the U.S. and its allies would make, if necessary. Well guess what? They didn't have any of those weapons and they did disarm therefore they did not break UN resolution 1441, And this was is Illegal.

[URL="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3931759"]"War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal." [/URL]

[URL="http://www.mltoday.com/Pages/IraqWar/IraqCensored.html"]FLASHBACK: US Illegally Removes Pages from Iraq UN Report [/URL]
Posted Jun 7, 2005
Throughout the winter of 2002, the Bush administration publicly accused Iraqi weapons declarations of being incomplete. The almost unbelievable reality of this situation is that it was the United States itself that had removed over 8,000 pages of the 11,800 page original report.

[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm"]FLASHBACK: Iraq war illegal, says Annan [/URL]
Posted Jun 7, 2005 The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.

[URL="http://why-war.com/news/2003/11/20/perleadm.html"]FLASHBACK: Perle Admits Iraq War Was Illegal [/URL]

[URL="http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=272&fArticleId=2262116"]Secret papers warned Blair war on Iraq was 'illegal' [/URL]

[URL="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/iraqwar.html"]The Iraq War is Illegal
Below is the Congressional authorization for force that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. However, if you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to the Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of mass destruction, and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9-11. Both claims have since been disproved and discredited, and appear to be created by the Pentagon Office at the heart of the latest [URL="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/litmus.html"]Israeli spy scandal.[/URL]

Therefore, under United States law, the war in Iraq is illegal. And We The People are not under any legal or moral obligation to pay for it, let alone let our kids be killed in it.[/URL]

 

[suicidesamurai]

... it galls me when someone who isn't beening shot at or never will know what it's like on the front lines to talk about whining ... is that worst than being a coward like the illegitimate bush who didn't "fight for freedom" when he had the chance.

The Iraqi's what us the fuck out their country who are you or the illegitmate war crimimal bush to say the US must stay? The illegitimate bush did NOT have UN approval ...

Also the war is not only immoral, but illegal ... and if you support this war ... you support the illegitimate bush.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=37257Proof of illegal war
Posted Apr 9, 2007
Resolution 1441 demanded that Iraq give up its alleged weapons of mass destruction. The measure threatened "serious consequences" if Iraq did not disarm.
The U.S., Britain, and Spain introduced a newer resolution to the United Nations on February 24. It stated that Iraq was in "material breach" of Resolution 1441 - language that could have led to the U.N.'s involvement in the current strike. However, the U.N. did not pass the measure. So the current strike against the Gulf nation comes without the full support of the U.N. - a move President Bush had insisted the U.S. and its allies would make, if necessary. Well guess what? They didn't have any of those weapons and they did disarm therefore they did not break UN resolution 1441, And this was is Illegal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3931759"War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal."

http://www.mltoday.com/Pages/IraqWar/IraqCensored.htmlFLASHBACK: US Illegally Removes Pages from Iraq UN Report
Posted Jun 7, 2005
Throughout the winter of 2002, the Bush administration publicly accused Iraqi weapons declarations of being incomplete. The almost unbelievable reality of this situation is that it was the United States itself that had removed over 8,000 pages of the 11,800 page original report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stmFLASHBACK: Iraq war illegal, says Annan
Posted Jun 7, 2005 The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.

http://why-war.com/news/2003/11/20/perleadm.htmlFLASHBACK: Perle Admits Iraq War Was Illegal

http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=272&fArticleId=2262116Secret papers warned Blair war on Iraq was 'illegal'

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/iraqwar.htmlThe Iraq War is Illegal
Below is the Congressional authorization for force that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. However, if you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to the Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of mass destruction, and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9-11. Both claims have since been disproved and discredited, and appear to be created by the Pentagon Office at the heart of the latest http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/litmus.htmlIsraeli spy scandal.

Therefore, under United States law, the war in Iraq is illegal. And We The People are not under any legal or moral obligation to pay for it, let alone let our kids be killed in it.

You should develop a strain and name it Ill GWB.

 

[the.fatman.cometh]

Suicidesamurai, What the fuck? So when the proof is there you still don't listen to reason, pathetic, I would love to see you in a position such as the everyday AVERAGE Iraqi citizen who suffers because of the past and present decisions made by Bush and his cronies, and then repeat the fodder you have been spewing the times you have disgraced this thread with your "opinion", but it's your RIGHT, something Bush doesn't appreciate(Patriot Act)!
Oh and why don't you actually post an intelligent, insightful comment as opposed to just "quoting" an individual and then cracking a one liner.
Oh yeah, stopping asking me to come over and "have tea" with you, my gate doesn't swing that way, chicah!

Peace

 

[SHOOT2KILL66]

what has bush did wrong other than free the iraq people from saddam .
I agree he,s an old fashioned type leader but iraq is a better place now becouse of him and they only have to fear saddam,s men not bush.
I think the only thing he did wrong was not blowing up them mountians were bin ladden is hiding still after killing them thousands of people just like saddam did if bush dident stop this who know,s what he would of grown into along with bin ladden that could of turned worse than the nazi,s in fact they were as bad as hitler an it would of only got worse iraq had missiles and they were getting more equiped and they would of used them on the world

The world is a better better place becouse of bush even know i dont agree 100% with his old fashioned ways

 

[Reprogammed]

I'll say it like Dennis Leary said it: there is no clear cut way to wage war. I wish there was an Al-Qadia we could just jump on, but God willing there isn't.

I hate the War in Iraq, but I also hate all war. Does that make it uneccessary?

On the flip side: was it handled correctly? No. Maybe if the moron and the C.I.A. would have done their goddamn homework, our troops wouldn't be dead smack in the middle of a religious civil war.


Honestly, though, what makes you think he will ever be brought up for this? He got it passed through Congress, so that negates that on the homefront entirely. And do you really think it's possible the U.N. or any of our allies would do it? Hell no. Hell fu**ing no.

To be a superpower is to have enemies. To have enemies is to have confrontation.

Think inter-clique schoolyard fights, but on a much, MUCH larger scale.

 

[420worshipper]

Hang them upside down in a huge stadium, invite all politicians to watch, then gut them alive, also show it on every TV channel as a message to all that this behavior will not be tolerated. Either that or put them naked in a cage and pull it all over the USA so people can see what they really are unmasked, allow spitting on them and throwing of rocks and bottles. Now you can see I really dislike this pair of assholes.

Starting to sound a little like Sadaam and the Taliban there med. See they would do what you propose above. And in fact CNN did a story on the Taliban killing people in the soccer/football stadium in Afghanistan.

 

[AphexTwin]

I think he should. He's caused more damage than other people who have been arrested for war crimes and his reasons for going to war were just as stupid. Why would Bush care if Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction"? they were never going to go near any Americans and Sadam had no real links with any terrorists. Instead of wasting time and lives in Iraq they should be looking for Bin Laden who is actually a threat to America. Bush is a corrupt idiot, just like others that have been arrested for war crimes before and I think he should follow. The only thing that makes Bush different than the rest is he's the leader of America. The poll should have other options for those who don't think so.

 

[420worshipper]

I think he should. He's caused more damage than other people who have been arrested for war crimes and his reasons for going to war were just as stupid. Why would Bush care if Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction"? they were never going to go near any Americans and Sadam had no real links with any terrorists. Instead of wasting time and lives in Iraq they should be looking for Bin Laden who is actually a threat to America. Bush is a corrupt idiot, just like others that have been arrested for war crimes before and I think he should follow. The only thing that makes Bush different than the rest is he's the leader of America. The poll should have other options for those who don't think so.

Just so you know, here is the definition of what constitutes a war crime.

<quote>
In the context of war, a war crime is a punishable offense under international law, for violations of the laws of war by any person or persons, military or civilian. Every violation of the law of war in an inter-state conflict is a war crime, while violations in internal conflicts are typically limited to the local jurisdiction. In essence, the term "war crime" represents the concept of an international jurisdiction as applicable to the most severe crimes, in areas where government is dysfunctional and society is in a state of turmoil.

taken from: War crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And you can also check here for more on both international law and war crimes in general. The Hague Justice Portal »

 

[Smirgen]

I thought Democrats were going to Impeach him, They have plenty of evidence ...What are they waiting for?

Cheney is ready to fill his shoes.

 

[420worshipper]

[URL="http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=272&fArticleId=2262116"]Secret papers warned Blair war on Iraq was 'illegal' [/URL]

[URL="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/iraqwar.html"]The Iraq War is Illegal
Below is the Congressional authorization for force that Bush used to launch the invasion of Iraq. However, if you read Section 3, paragraph B, Bush was required to prove to the Congress that Iraq was in violation of UN Resolutions by still being in possession of weapons of mass destruction, and secondly, that Iraq was behind 9-11. Both claims have since been disproved and discredited, and appear to be created by the Pentagon Office at the heart of the latest [URL="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/litmus.html"]Israeli spy scandal.[/URL]

Therefore, under United States law, the war in Iraq is illegal. And We The People are not under any legal or moral obligation to pay for it, let alone let our kids be killed in it.[/URL]

Well did you even read the resolution? And there are only 2 ways to prove Iraq and Sadaam's government was in violation of the U.N. resolutions.
1. Have U.N. inspectors go into Iraq and inspect everything.

Which Sadaam has denied since before 1991. And would have continued to deny inspectors coming into his counrty.

2. Invade and look for ourselves.

That is probably why Congress gave him permission to do it. They knew Iraq and Sadaam was in violation of the resolutions that you have used as supporting evidence. But have you read them? The resolutions do state that Iraq and Sadaam will have to submit to inspections by the U.N.'s weapons inspectors.

And if you are naive to think that the U.N. is against the actions in Iraq then you should check out these links.

Remarks at the launch of the International Compact with Iraq
<quote>
From Secretary General United Nations:

The MNF (Multinational Forces) have faced great tribulations while executing their tasks. Many lives have been lost in the line of duty. There is no doubt that more must be done to bring a halt to the ongoing violence in Iraq, the brunt of which is being borne by innocent civilians. Beyond the terrorist attacks and sectarian violence, a humanitarian crisis is stretching the patience and ability of ordinary people to cope with everyday life. This makes it all the more important to develop a framework for Iraq’s normalization. Essentially, the Compact represents a road map for the next five years aimed at helping Iraq to achieve its long-term goals of economic prosperity, political stability and lasting security. Much work will be needed to keep Iraq on track, but I am confident that the people and Government are up to the challenge.
</quote>

And this from the Deputy Secretary General
Migiro sees progress in Iraq Compact but urges more international support=