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obama chastises bankers

Spitzered

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A lot of work for what? The repukes have had a veto proof minority or a flat out majority for the last 12 years. So, lets blame it on congress, you're such a joker spitz.

Repubs didn't have a fillibuster proof congress. And the House is known as 'the purse strings of America'.

As for the last 12 years, until 2006 anyway, hmm when did the shit hit the fan? late 2007 and 2008? Why didn't they try to fix it then? If they so innocent?
 

medicineman

New Member
Repubs didn't have a fillibuster proof congress. And the House is known as 'the purse strings of America'.

As for the last 12 years, until 2006 anyway, hmm when did the shit hit the fan? late 2007 and 2008? Why didn't they try to fix it then? If they so innocent?
So you suppose all this shit started in 2007? Typical. BTW, I didn't say filibuster proof, I said a veto proof, meaning the dems could not stop the war or get any real work done! Dubya would have vetoed it and the repukes would have stood by him, in other words, their hands were tied. They have no excuses now.
 

Spitzered

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What I posted was a matter of record.

What your beloved dems said is also a matter of record.

So feel free to stick your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes and chant, 'Bush's fault' until the cows come home.

Doesn't change what was said and who tried to regulated Freddie and Frannie and who opposed it.


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''


The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]loan
[/COLOR] crisis a decade ago. . . .
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates. [/COLOR]
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max420thc

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Let's kill 'em all. Start fresh, there's something to be said for those old timey French syle revolutions....
i never liked the french style revolutions...although i am fond of their methods of execution..it was nice and fast..the mess kind of sucks though...the roman empire lasted around 1400 years..the only person who got killed in roman revolution's was the emperor...maybe a senator...alot less people got killed in roman revolutions ..just the people who needed killed...i like that idea pretty well..:hump:
 

medicineman

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i never liked the french style revolutions...although i am fond of their methods of execution..it was nice and fast..the mess kind of sucks though...the roman empire lasted around 1400 years..the only person who got killed in roman revolution's was the emperor...maybe a senator...alot less people got killed in roman revolutions ..just the people who needed killed...i like that idea pretty well..:hump:
And I suppose you'd like to be the one deciding who should be killed. Have you ever heard of a superiority complex?

Superiority complex:
  1. An exaggerated feeling of being superior to others.
  2. A psychological defense mechanism in which feelings of superiority counter or conceal feelings of inferiority.
 

misshestermoffitt

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I will be the decider of who dies. I decide that everyone who holds any political office right down to town mayors get the AXE.

One two
chop a few
three four
ain't got no more.......
 

medicineman

New Member
Sounds like a perfect definition of what it means to be a liberal.

Vi
Hitler had a superiority complex. The kind you exude. You know, when in reality you feel inferior, but have to put on a shell of superiority. Was Hitler a liberal? Are you?
 

ViRedd

New Member
Hitler had a superiority complex. The kind you exude. You know, when in reality you feel inferior, but have to put on a shell of superiority. Was Hitler a liberal? Are you?
With all that has been written in this forum regarding the politics of the Nazi regime, and you still ask if Hitler was a liberal? When are you going to wake up to the facts, Med?

Vi
 

ilkhan

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Hitler was a statist. Stalin was a statist. Mao was a statist. Bush was a statist. and OBAMA will be a statist. Government Power, Government control. And "Liberals" and "Conservatives" are currently almost to a man Statists. The more the State controls the More they Botch.

Now I'm not saying the government doesn't have a roll in regulations of financial institutions but every time something happens people scream for the government to come in and save them. Its not the governments job to fix the markets. Because they don't have any money. The Government doesn't have anything that WE do not first give it.

Now here is the Ironic part.

I say nationalize the Banks. Let the congress create the money (as was constitutionally mandated) and distribute it through the FED and let the Government get rich off the Loans IT makes. Without getting the money created for them and loaned back to them by banks. If it was transparent and open (unlike everything else the government does) it could be a real good thing the only thing that would change is who makes policies and who makes the profit.

I'm not a fan of anything Government but at this point I say Role the FED into the Treasury Dept. and Let congress debate monetary policy on C-Span. I bet the money they could make on Mortgages, Corporate loans and international loans could pay off the Debt in about 8-10 years and then we would be home free, what do you think??

1. Declare a jubilee year no mortgage payments for 1 year while the changes take place.
2. Roll the FED into the Treasury Dept.
3. Create a "Bad bank" to take all the bad Mortgages and failed Banks in, refinance the loans minus 30-50% there value.
4. Re-bundle the mortgages and Sell them as U.S. treasury mortgage backed securities (USTMBS).
5. Sell them to Government retirement accounts (The pentagon alone has trillions it will never spend)
6. Allow Social Security to purchase the securities, SS currently has 2.2 trillion saved up they might as well let there money do some of the work for them/us.
7. Stabilize the Mortgage market and the new treasury note by requiring stricter limits on Mortgages minimum 5% down payments eliminating ARM's and sticter controls on wages Vs. Payments.

I don't know what do you think? But I think nothing would really change except it may be a little harder to get a loan (necessary) and who makes the money from the loans Bankers or the Government.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Hitler was a statist. Stalin was a statist. Mao was a statist. Bush was a statist. and OBAMA will be a statist. Government Power, Government control. And "Liberals" and "Conservatives" are currently almost to a man Statists. The more the State controls the More they Botch.

Now I'm not saying the government doesn't have a roll in regulations of financial institutions but every time something happens people scream for the government to come in and save them. Its not the governments job to fix the markets. Because they don't have any money. The Government doesn't have anything that WE do not first give it.

Now here is the Ironic part.

I say nationalize the Banks. Let the congress create the money (as was constitutionally mandated) and distribute it through the FED and let the Government get rich off the Loans IT makes. Without getting the money created for them and loaned back to them by banks. If it was transparent and open (unlike everything else the government does) it could be a real good thing the only thing that would change is who makes policies and who makes the profit.

I'm not a fan of anything Government but at this point I say Role the FED into the Treasury Dept. and Let congress debate monetary policy on C-Span. I bet the money they could make on Mortgages, Corporate loans and international loans could pay off the Debt in about 8-10 years and then we would be home free, what do you think??

1. Declare a jubilee year no mortgage payments for 1 year while the changes take place.
2. Roll the FED into the Treasury Dept.
3. Create a "Bad bank" to take all the bad Mortgages and failed Banks in, refinance the loans minus 30-50% there value.
4. Re-bundle the mortgages and Sell them as U.S. treasury mortgage backed securities (USTMBS).
5. Sell them to Government retirement accounts (The pentagon alone has trillions it will never spend)
6. Allow Social Security to purchase the securities, SS currently has 2.2 trillion saved up they might as well let there money do some of the work for them/us.
7. Stabilize the Mortgage market and the new treasury note by requiring stricter limits on Mortgages minimum 5% down payments eliminating ARM's and sticter controls on wages Vs. Payments.

I don't know what do you think? But I think nothing would really change except it may be a little harder to get a loan (necessary) and who makes the money from the loans Bankers or the Government.

Bad idea

First off, the last thing we need is the government having control of the currency. The problem was not the Federal Reserve Bank, but the Congress, and past presidents.

There was Jimmy Carter who signed the Community Re-Investment Act in the late 70s and thus set the stage for the current crisis.

Then came the Democrats, and Clinton who used their majority control of Congress in '93 to strengthen CRA more forcing banks to lend out money. Add into the mix the actions of unethical groups like ACORN who were accusing banks of discriminating for refusing to make bad loans, and trying to coerce the bankers to make bad loans through coercion through the political system (government interference in the markets) or by making total asses of themselves.

On top of that was government's decision to allow Fannie Mae to purchase more subprime mortgages, actions that were pushed by Reid and Pelosi, as well as being supported by ACORN, and other Democrats (such as Clinton).

These actions set the stage for Fannie Mae (The Not Non-GSE) to purchase millions of bad mortgages from bankers, and allowed those same bankers to make them, because Fannie Mae was willing to buy them (despite their low quality) as money was available.

With the increase in home prices the loans that could be considered SubPrime increased drastically, and while SubPrime is typically used to refer to credit rating, a more accurate description in the case of loans would be Interest Only, Adjustable Rate, and No Documentation/Falsified Documentation Loans. These Loans have since shown that they are worthless, and the result was an explosion of the derivatives markets, where insurers and reinsurers hedged against the loans in the event of default. With the explosion in the value of the loans the losses at the insurance companies and financial companies that were betting in those markets increased faster than their gains.

Now we have a government that is trying to fix the problem that they created by making good the losses of the banks. It's stupid. The money that they are doing it with likely came out of the pockets of the people that are currently losing their homes. If anything, the only logical solution would be to declare a tax holiday. Not only would such an action possibly avert a massive number of foreclosures, but it would put a large chunk of money (200 - 300 Billion/3 months) into the economy. If a holiday was declared on income taxes and payroll taxes it would provide a boost to the economy, and put money in the hands of those that would be most likely to use it. Those that still have jobs, and are actually paying taxes.

Everyone from the lowest fastfood worker or retail worker to the middle management of firms would see more money in their hands, and more money would get spent.

Even better would be a tax holiday until the economy is moving again, and then the government could slowly reimpose taxes until there is a noticable drag on the economy. At that point (which might take decades to reach if the tax increases are small and sane) the government could lower tax rates again and thus find tax rates that do not effect the economy as much as the current tax rates.

Or perhaps the government could get of its ass, abolish income taxes and the IRS and switch to tariffs.

Which would also serve to give the UN, NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO a giant middle finger with a flag wrapped around it saying, "Blow us, we're not killing ourselves for your benefit."
 
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