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[subzerox]

wut up yall i know theres lots of noob shit on these forums but im tired of searching a subject and getting more then one type of answer. if u dont want to help dont read nor post please. alright i bought a bubbleponic system the other day, soaked the rockwool the seeds germinated. i then placed them in my system with the 400 watt light around 8 inches from the top of my plants. the clay pellets are bout an 1/2 an inch to and inch under water i put the rockwool a little abouve the water line.

ok fuck thats a lot of typeing heresmy question... why are my plant skinny and dont have big leaves? i used the hand method dont think there getting burned o and as u can c i have limited space to work with, about 35'

o yea could it be theres not enough bubbles? i have two of these blue things about 5 inches hooked up to my airpump giving off some bubbles. thats what the system came with.


id really like to figure out what im doin wroung since i spent all this moenny any time putting this thing together. any help is much appreciated! =)

 

[yourlocal420]

Ok man first of all those baby's are stretched to no end. Lack of light either now or before you put them in the system. Second cover them damn open holes man you will get algae in your res you dont want to get that started. Third brace the babies up with somthing and be patient. Once they get going good they will take off. What you do have looks healthy man. Keep postin and I'll check back on ya from time to time. I grow the exact same way so maybe you can get some good out of my post. Your rockwool should be be about a cm above the water just so the rockwool stays damp from the bubbles.

 

[leggoeggo]

Hey guy...

I've been there... same problem. I'm in my first grow now and have every type of problem igaminable at first, but have learned soo much, check it out below.

Okay. Your seedlings are stretching because you have a a VERY STRONG LAMP too far away for them... the higher wattage, the stonger the stretch to get to it.

Though, I'm not really saying to move it much closer, dont know how far away your HPS is. But take a look at the chart I just attached, it gives you distanced to place your HIDs...

ALSO, this is MUCH more important than it seems... but go out and by some cheap 'daylight' (65k) CFLs... these simulate 'blue' light for vegging.... I didnt think it was a big deal, so I went forever without them, my seedling just werent growing... once I added the daylight CFLs I had an explosion!!!! And it was good from then on out.

Oh. and you can place the CFLs 2" away and be just fine...

 

[KP2]

your light isn't too far away, and the "stretch" in this case is nothing more than a tap root hitting obstructions (hydroton). this is normal for most, and doesn't mean you screwed up. the stems will thicken, the plants will stand. watch for nodal spacing, as that tells you whether the plants are actually stretching or not.

cover the hole, as the member above mentioned.

don't worry so much, use a tooth pick to prop them up if they get floppy. they'll be fine.

 

[yourlocal420]

also man if you can take your rockwool and put it to the very bottom of netpots and cover the rockwool totally in hydroton and use the rockwool to help brace the stretched stem

 

[KP2]

also man if you can take your rockwool and put it to the very bottom of netpots and cover the rockwool totally in hydroton and use the rockwool to help brace the stretched stem

yep, that's what a lot of people do; the stem under the cotyledons will eventually sprout roots as well.

 

[subzerox]

alright so i covered the holes with some black tape and braced them skinny hoes with some hydrton pellets. about the 65k CFL lights do i really need them? i mean i have this 400w light bolted to the top of my system and dont feel like preforming surgery and replacing.

 

[leggoeggo]

I'm telling you man, I didnt think I needed them either... then my grow took almost a month longer in vegging then it needed to.

You can keep your HPS rigged up, its still putting out nice juicy lumens for you... by the daylight CFLs with be BLUE.. its the color that really has an effect:

Blue light is great for vegging, its like the spring/summer sky...
Orange light is great for harvest because its like the fall sun....

my plants were doing nothing until I added blue lights... if you can just get a couple cheap clamp lamps on place on the sides or something??

 

[subzerox]

ok i guess i can get a few clip lamps how many watts should the cfls be

 

[Roseman]

Do you have the DWC kit, or the True bubblponics Kit, with the Irigation Hub and feeder tubes like in this pic:

let me know, i can help you.
You have been given some pretty good advise. You can also use some toilet paper tubes, or cut some paper towel tubes in thirds, and use them to hold up the plants.

The Lights you have are pwoerful, they may or may of not been too high, I can not tell how high you have them, but a few 65 watt 6500 Kelvin CFLS would help alot.

I'll be back.

Here is the Bubbleponics thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/7897-stealth-hydro-bubbleponics-systems-335.html

 

[subzerox]

not sure what its called but i got 2 aerator stones at the botton set up longways. my single 400w light is set 8' from the top of the plant. theres 2 fans in the system, one at the top right abouve the light and the ohter is a few inches behind the container on the back wall. stays around 80-85 degrees. i like the toirlet roll thing imma use that and i guess ill see about gettting a few of them lights.

 

[Roseman]

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/141252-dwc-grow-club.html

is a good thread if you just have the DWC system. A true bubbleponics system has the feeder tubes and irrigation hub.

 

[diggitydank420]

Man, all you need is (4) 6500K CFLs to get those puppies rolling. Look for at least 100W bulbs, they will either say "Daylight" or "6500K" on the package. Keep them on the plants during the entire grow as well, they will help keep the plants dense.

I grew for 6 months with nothing but CFLs.

 

[subzerox]

ok well mostly everyone said to go get some cfl, so i smoked a blunt and off to the store i go. gonne get a few lamp clapms and see what happends

 

[subzerox]

ok so the store didnt have what i was looking for. so i looked on google for a bit and found what lights yall r talkin about. then found cfl grow lights. i was thinking i might be able to find a cfl to fit into the hps reflector i have bolted to the to the roof. this is the bulb i have:http://www.elightbulbs.com/catalog_product.cfm?source=GoogleBaseCSE∏=GL14675

maybe this is the same sise? http://www.pchydro.com/grow-lights-fluorescents-c-5_9/cool-cfl-125w-p-1883

i could always buy the 4 small bulbs and then get 4 clamp lamps. would just be nice if could just scew screw in and turn on ya know

 

[Steadmanclan]

leave the hps on and in place. put the cfl's (which you definitely do need) all around the plants instead of above.

hps lamp, while it puts out an ideal light spectrum for flowering, it will cause streching in your plants because of the color of the light. blue/daylight bulbs provide the correct spectrum for veg. if you had been using the correct colors from the beginning, your plants would be much shorter, with thicker stalks, and more leaf production.

my seedlings are always short, stout, vigorous growers.

 

[Roseman]

42 watt average $10.00 each

65 watts, = $23.99 average price

85 Watt, average $29.00 each

105 watt average $38.99 each




Or Look for Clamp Reflectors and Bulbs together:

CFLs come in 15, 26, 42, 65, 85 and 105 watts.
The 26s and smaller are like big breasts on a nun, and not good for anything.

26s to 85s do not put out any noticable heat. The 105s put out some heat, but not as much as HID lights.
The 42's are about $9 each.
65 watts are abut $24 to $25 each, 85s are $30 each, 105s are $39 to $42 each, average is $40 each for 105s.
a CFL needs a reflector, like a hood. I like the $10 heavy duty clamp reflectors at Lowes, Home Depot or Walmart. They also offer a cheaper $8 reflector but it is smaller and flimsey.

With CFLs, you need the DUAL SPECTRUM, red and blue. That does not refer to the color of the bulb that you see. It refers to the kind of rays, UVA or UVB, or the color temp, called kevins.
CFLS come in 2700 kevins, 3000, 4100, 5100, and 6500.
2700k is for BLOOM OR FLOWERING , 6500k is the VEG Spectrum. The others are "MID" spectrums or in between.
In outdoors, the sun produces different rays in the spring (VEG Rays called Blue) and late summer for Bloom spectrum, the RED spectrum. (see more below)

CFLs are new on the scene, in 2006 the biggest made was 65 watts. When we talk about CFL watts, we are talking about the actually electricity used, NOT the equivalant. For example, a 15 watt CFL bulb puts out 60 watts.

CLFS PUT OUT LIGHT FROM THE SIDES, NOT THE ENDS OR TIPS.

YOU CAN GET SPIRAL CFLS (15, 26, 42, 65, 85) AND TUBE TYPE CFLS 105s.


Dual Spectrum 65 High Output Fluorescent BulbsLow heat, energy efficient light bulbs for use with Stealth Hydro Dual Spectrum Lighting Systems. Available in blue (vegetative) and red (flowering) spectrums.


65s are 23.99 each.



Price: $23.99 Dual Spectrum II High Output Fluorescent BulbsLow heat, energy efficient light bulbs for use with Stealth Hydro Dual Spectrum II Lighting Systems. Available in blue (vegetative) and red (flowering)
spectrums.



85s are 29.99 each
Multi Spectrum Fluorescent Tube CFLLow heat, energy efficient light bulbs for use with Stealth Hydro Multi Spectrum Lighting Systems. Available in 6500 K (vegetative) and 3000 K (flowering) spectrums.
Price: $38.99



And $9 each for the 42s.

The pics do not show the 42s that I put on the sides, on a STAND I made from a metal shelf.

I like being able to move the CFLS around, adn lower them down in between the plants, the clamp- reflectors are just $10 each.Lowes, Walmart, Home Depot:





then one of these:


and if you want to add two lights to a reflector, you get a Y spliter.

 

[subzerox]

i bought 4 75w daylight cfls and some light clamps. the clapms were more than the dang bulbs. anyways should i leave my 400w hps light on while the clfs are on or turn it off? take a look see how it looks

 

[diggitydank420]

Leave the HPS on for sure. Those are CFLs are NOT enough on their own to do much at all.

 

[Steadmanclan]

get more cfl's.. at least 2 per plant. look for bigger ones. place them within a couple inches from the plant. just make sure the temp stays nice.