McDermott to (I)cheney:Resign or face impeachment
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shamegame
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Ya uh it's just amazing how Florida was run by bush'es brother- or the fact that the woman in charge of counting the votes and deciding which votes were counted and which were ignored was a crony of Bush...come on...and if that wasn't bad enough it was judges who were appointed by Bush Senior( who owed him favors for getting their jobs) that amazingly " appointed " bush jr. leader of the free world...
That " election " was complete fraud. We need to remove the electoral college system, and more importantly we need to socialize campaigning. These days you can't even hope to win the presidency unless you raise billions of dollars- that right there will keep anyone most honest ppl out of the running. We need to end campaign contributions by lobbyists and just give all candidates equal airtime on a government channel. Give all candidates an equal budget provided by the taxpayers.A very modest budget.
Campaign reform-That would be a good start in getting this country back on it's feet.
Gygax1974
Just some idiot
Yeah, the two party system is a huge problem. Too much infighting, and come on why does it always come down to 2 guys in the end, which doesn't leave you with too many options in the end. And then it becomes a vote for the lesser of 2 evils. One of the reasons I registered republican is so I could vote in the primarys, if you register indepent you can't. I also believe they need to reform the way campaigns get money. Lobbying is bad, basically this is a country run by corporations and not the people. Too bad a major hydroponics company hasn't been established in the US..lol. The electoral college is obsolete, the two party system is obsolete, true democracy is obsolete, the two party system is counter productive...blah blah blah. Unfortunately the next president will be spending their first four fixing the current mess. What do you guys think of two presidents a domestic one and another to handle our foreign relations? I was asked this by one of my co-workers and it souns like a good idea to me. It's not that realistic that our foreign policy changes every 4 to 8 years.
Kant
Well-Known Member
well to be fair it's not realistic for our domestic policy to change every 4-8 years either. The problem is where does trade land? is it a foreign issue or because it effects business in the US directly is it a domestic issue? there would be too many disputes between the two presidents.
As far as campaign funds go if we disallow corporate donations and PACs and only allow individual donations then i think we'd be better off.
Gygax1974
Just some idiot
I agree with you the system would have to be really thought out to be implemented. And I agree with the no corporation contributions, but you know they would exploit loopholes. i.e. Instead of oil companies donating money the individuals that run the company could make contributions and still get their way.
medicineman
New Member
Public funding with no private money allowed, period. Have a program like American Idol where the people vote for the ten most poplular candidates, five from each party, out of a field of hundreds, where they all get 10 minutes to tell their agenda, then fund their election campaigns from tax receipts, no corporate donars, no billionaire donors, or, limit private contributions to 20 bucks each with verified donors. I'm sure we could figure out a way to eliminate the greed and coruption from our political system if we really tried. Then eleminate all lobbiest from the hallowed halls of congress. Make the system work like it was designed, of the people, for the people, by the people.
Gygax1974
Just some idiot
Where does it say anything about free speech?
Indie
Well-Known Member
no corporate donars, no billionaire donors, or, limit private contributions to 20 bucks each with verified donors. I\'m sure we could figure out a way to eliminate the greed..........................................................................................................................................................................................................When you make a contribution to a particular candidate, this is your money or your company\'s money going to advance your guy. When you limit this, it is in essence limiting free speech. You side seems to be appalled when this happens any other time.
Kant
Well-Known Member
donations aren't considered speech so inhibiting donations isn't inhibiting speech. it's been pointed out that companies can make donations. PACs can make donations. Both of which aren't people and freedom of speech doesn't apply. they also can't vote but yet they seem to be able to pick who our options of voting are.
medicineman
New Member
Maybe you're just nuts, I can't really see your reasoning, so I must assume you're unreasonable, or nutzo.
Gygax1974
Just some idiot
Are you really George Bush, c'mon you can tell us..lol.