Root gel and some experiments
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panhead
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Photobucket dumped a bunch of my pics,i'll have to look around to see if i still have any pics of that plant.
The smoke was perfect.
HOHO
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ok so i got sucked in to this one to...i was on my way out the door to the garden store to pick some up but went back through to make sure i got the right stuff. i was wondering if you could straiten something out for me?i looked at the beginning of the thread and you said that you used root tone and then closer to the end i think you said take root, since i believe these are both products i must ask 
genfranco
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hey panhead... what do you think about adding take root to my plants that i just supercropped... They arent in flower yet... do you think it would make her heal quicker and get thicker too?... Did you do any more experiments with this?
panhead
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Good catch & a was mispoken by me early in the thread.ok so i got sucked in to this one to...i was on my way out the door to the garden store to pick some up but went back through to make sure i got the right stuff. i was wondering if you could straiten something out for me?i looked at the beginning of the thread and you said that you used root tone and then closer to the end i think you said take root, since i believe these are both products i must ask
I have grown used to calling every cloning product root tone no matter the product,the product i used was "Shultz Take Root".
Take root is made by the same company as root tone but has a different active ingredient,i know that take root uses indole-3 but i cant recal what active ingredient root tone uses,i do know that the ingredients are different between the two brands though.
panhead
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I think adding Take Root will surely do "something" to the plants but what effect i couldnt say for sure,from what we discovered the indole-3 butyric acid is a type of plant hormone that kinda acts like steroids for plants.
I cant remember exact ratios or feeding schedules but i do remember getting mixed results between different plants,im going to have to re read the thread pretty soon to get back up to speed with all of this since its been so long since we stopped messing with the cloning products.
Some details i remember vividly though.
The calyx growth was explosive & when i say explosive i really mean explosive,on a level ive never seen any other plant come close to,every day i'd look at the plant it packed on new calyxs all over the plant,calyxs on top of calyxs daily,it was the coolest shit to watch,its been the only time that ive ever been able to see bud growth on a daily basis,the growth rate of the main cola was obvious it was so fast & the calyxs were so swollen.
I cant remember off hand how long the moose budded for but i do remember she went longer than the rest of the crop,even when the other plants trichomes were mostly honey colored hers were only milky white,while the other plants hairs were turning red all over she was packing on new white hairs daily,it was some strange shit to watch happen.
I also remember others getting deformed plants ,or weird growths on their plants,this is why i say im sure feeding it to the plant will have an effect but i cant say what that effect might be.
genfranco
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No i here ya bro...
But some of those people A... were using different Stuff B, Added it wrong... either directly without diluting on the stem ..... or used similar technique but not that indole-3 ...
It seems to me that you had good success due to the product and how it was administered... My question was ...do you think it was also because you were flowering?... when you say there were diferent results...do you mean other peoples results.. or on your own plants administering 5 tablespoons in 1 gallon?
I did read the whole thread sir..lol...
HOHO
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ok so called everybody in the book and can't find take root but did some research and found root stimulator called Green Light that has the indole-3 as the main ingredient but only at .0004 and the take root is at .1 so much weaker and this has npk in it and is 32 liquid that says makes 18 gallons seeing that you put that big of a dose in your plant i was thinking...3 ozs in one gallon on two in three of my smaller plants,considering that you aplied during flush and i am at 12th day flower now and mabe bump it up every week...weekly injections of indole-3 
it even sounds like a steriod.
it even sounds like a steriod.
genfranco
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awesome ..thansk man!
panhead
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Ok,i read this question yesterday & i had to think about it for a while before i had an answer.
Alot happened in those experiments on my end with different plants,i used 2 fully budding females at different intrervals of the bud cycle,i also treated some seedlings as well as some clones,i used different methods as well,some were fed the mixture through the root system while others were treated with a paste mixture applied directly to the stalk.
The moose plant was the only plant where i had 100% success,some of the seedlings grew out to be twisted plants with defects,the ones that i grew all the way out blended right in with the rest of the grow & showed no signs of any added growth.
Going from memory the best delievery method for me seemed to be by making a paste out of the root tone, then disolving the paste in the water to be fed to the plant,this is where i had a 50/50 success ratio & what developed the moose.
On your question im pretty sure that because i was in flowering is a large part of why i had such great success with the moose,no other plants showed the same growth bursts.
Im still looking for pics of the moose,the camera i used was one of the 1st digi cameras & takes floppy discs so i got alot of discs to look through,the only pic i could find so far is the pic that msmcgregor copied from the thread & made my avatar out of.
genfranco
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I was thinking that big ol bud was going to be the moose's
Do you recall what week in flowering you gave her the 5 tablespoon bomb?
HOHO
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i gave all the girls names today and took comparison pics.
the first is the five that i gave 3 tablespoons IBA per gallon water,and the stuff i used is in that pic.
i've always assumed that acid is acidic but not this stuff,i first used tap water to make five gallons and it was cloudy and would not ph i used 4 times the amount of ph down in this 5 gal as i do in a 35 gallon can and didn't budge so i got nervous and dumped it out and used RO water and used as much as i usually do for 35 gal and stopped, its at just over 7 think they'll be fine
the first is the five that i gave 3 tablespoons IBA per gallon water,and the stuff i used is in that pic.
i've always assumed that acid is acidic but not this stuff,i first used tap water to make five gallons and it was cloudy and would not ph i used 4 times the amount of ph down in this 5 gal as i do in a 35 gallon can and didn't budge so i got nervous and dumped it out and used RO water and used as much as i usually do for 35 gal and stopped, its at just over 7 think they'll be fine
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weedyoo
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once you get so far you need things to advance some how.working outside the box.
panhead
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This is The only pic i have right now of the moose bud,she ended up gaining several more inches in girth & was as long as my arm,the bud ended looking all twisted & gnarly,thats why fdd called it a cave man club,it looked crazy as all hell,the portion of the bud that is in the pic is only the very top portion of the moose bud but the entire bud had that look to it,kinda like calyx's were dripping off the bud with big chunks of calyx everywhere.
To give you some kind of reference on how big that bastard kept growing to be i used a full sized can of spray paint in this pic below for reference,the paint can sat next to the bud & the buds girth dwarfed the spray paint can,im gonna email msmcgregor & see if she still has the picture before she photoshopped the pic to make my avatar.
Im not 100% positive of what week in flowering i fed her the big blast of hormone but i am positive that it was very early in flowering,im sure there is something to this hormone business,hopefully you guys who resurected this topic can take it to higher levels & have a more controled success rate than we did originally.
panhead
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I gave up on trying to get a proper ph level,the water would look like powdered milk mix & when i would ph the water it ended up just like your results,it took tons of ph additives to get it right then a few hours later the ph levels were screwed up again.i gave all the girls names today and took comparison pics.
the first is the five that i gave 3 tablespoons IBA per gallon water,and the stuff i used is in that pic.
i've always assumed that acid is acidic but not this stuff,i first used tap water to make five gallons and it was cloudy and would not ph i used 4 times the amount of ph down in this 5 gal as i do in a 35 gallon can and didn't budge so i got nervous and dumped it out and used RO water and used as much as i usually do for 35 gal and stopped, its at just over 7 think they'll be fine
I think it was twistyman who gave me the solution of what to do about the ph levels,i ended up going out & buying some ph 7 regulator & mixing the water according to the directions for fish tanks printed on the ph regulator bottle & calling it a day.
I had a hell of a time even getting it to mix up in the water,it would float on the water no matter how much i stirred or shook it up,i ended up taking the powder & adding a very small amount of water to it,then making a paste,then i slowly thinned out the paste with small amounts of water & dumped the thinned out paste solution into the water bucket & mixed the shit out of it,that worked pretty well.
Im glad you guys started this hormone stuff again,it was alot of fun for me the last time around,im looking foward to doing it again myself.
headbandrocker
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Very interesting....
panhead
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I want to join in very badly but i dont have the space,that dutchmasters grow took up all the space in my rooms
.This will be my last run with Top44 & Big Bud for a while because my wife says they are not strong enough for her,myself i think both strains are just fine but as her pain levels grow from her MS she needs a heavier hitting buzz,im replacing them with the KC Brains strain KC36,She wants something thats as strong as the Critical Mass that ive been growing for her in another room, hopefully the KC36 is the ticket for her.
Unfortunately i have to wait till i harvest all the dutchmasters plants,then clean & paint the entire room as well as decontaminate all the lighting & ventilation system to get rid of all the pollen, then i can get another grow going with the KC36,i'll be trying to replicate the moose grow with the KC36 grow thats going to be comming up next round.
It sucks,i wanna have fun too
