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what is ph????

fdd2blk

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no really. i have been growing for 20 years. i don't know what it is. i know the wife keeps the PH right in the swimming pool and the water stays clear. but what's all this "check your ph". "what's your ph?" "adjust your PH". i understand in a hydro system this may be important but i'm in soil and i still don't get it. am i doing something wrong? my plants look good but every problem i see on this site gets blamed on PH at least once.

so what is PH? i honestly have no idea. :confused::confused:
 

kieahtoka

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Stands for potential hydrogen. It's the acidity or alkalinity of the soil. I know you knew that..if not well... I feel dumber by the second for having a worse grow than you.
 

fdd2blk

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Stands for potential hydrogen. It's the acidity or alkalinity of the soil. I know you knew that..if not well... I feel dumber by the second for having a worse grow than you.

i really know nothing but the 2 letters. my elementary education is buried under all this resin.

so acid is acidic. meaning corrosive, to me. what is alkaline? the opposite i assume.
 

kieahtoka

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i really know nothing but the 2 letters. my elementary education is buried under all this resin.

so acid is acidic. meaning corrosive, to me. what is alkaline? the opposite i assume.
Well put it this way. if your PH of the pool is below about 5. then it will irritate your skin and burn it somewhat.. just think of what it does to your baby's roots. Alkaline I'm not that sure of, don't know how it affects the roots of a plant. Any explanations????
 

GraF

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haha, Im in the same boat....

maybe babygro can join the 3 of us..... lol
 

kieahtoka

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haha, Im in the same boat....

maybe babygro can join the 3 of us..... lol
He'll say the same thing he usually does, that in soil it ph buffers itself.. I still like to take the better safe than sorry approach though. I would like to see what he has to add on the definition of PH.
 

fdd2blk

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so lets stick with the pool example. i understand that. so if the ph of my pool drops my eyes burn? i thought the chlorine burned my eyes. i bet my wife knows. she's out buying food right now, though.
 

fdd2blk

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He'll say the same thing he usually does, that in soil it ph buffers itself.. I still like to take the better safe than sorry approach though. I would like to see what he has to add on the definition of PH.

i would just like to understand what exactly it is.

without getting to scientific. K.I.S.S.
 

kieahtoka

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so lets stick with the pool example. i understand that. so if the ph of my pool drops my eyes burn? i thought the chlorine burned my eyes. i bet my wife knows. she's out buying food right now, though.
a bunch of things can burn your eyes, but yeah PH being acidic is one of them. Here it's not a problem of the Ph being too low. it's a problem of it being too high.. which I still don't get.
 

fdd2blk

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i know water out of the tap has chlorine in it. if you let it sit the chlorine dissapates(?). but someone told me that the PH doesn't change by letting it sit.

once again i'm in soil so this is not a concern. i would just like to understand. thanks.
 

kieahtoka

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Yeah, I'd like to understand more about Ph too. without getting into the scientific mumbo jumbo.
 

closet.cult

New Member
found this...important points highlighted:

The Simple Definition

pH is a logarithmic measure of hydrogen ion concentration.

According to the Compact Oxford English Dictionary, the "p" stands for the German word for "power", potenz, so pH is an abbreviation for "power of hydrogen".

The hydrogen ion concentration in pure water around room temperature is about 1.0 × 10-7 M. A pH of 7 is considered "neutral", because the concentration of hydrogen ions is exactly equal to the concentration of hydroxide (OH-) ions produced by dissociation of the water.

Increasing the concentration of hydrogen ions above 1.0 × 10-7 M produces a solution with a pH of less than 7, and the solution is considered "acidic". Decreasing the concentration below 1.0 × 10-7 M produces a solution with a pH above 7, and the solution is considered "alkaline" or "basic".

An ion is an atom or group of atoms which have lost or gained one or more electrons, making them negatively or positively charged.

Ions are essential to life. Sodium, potassium, calcium and other ions play an important role in the cells of living organisms, particularly in cell membranes. They have many practical, everyday applications in items such as smoke detectors, and are also finding use in unconventional technologies such as ion engines. Inorganic dissolved ions are a component of total dissolved solids, an indicator of water quality in widespread use.

Self-ionization is the process that determines the pH of water. As temperature increases, hot water has a higher concentration of hydronium than cold water (and hence lower pH), but this does not mean it is more acidic, as the hydroxide concentration is also higher by the same amount.

Geissler have determined that electric field fluctuations in liquid water cause molecular dissociation. They propose the following sequence of events: the system begins in a neutral state; random fluctuations in molecular motions occasionally produce an electric field strong enough to break an oxygen-hydrogen bond, resulting in a hydroxide (OH−) and hydronium ion (H3O+); the proton of the hydronium ion travels along water molecules by the Grotthuss mechanism; and a change in the hydrogen bond network in the solvent isolates the two ions, which are stabilized by solvation.

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So, change is the natural state of things. Water self ionizes (turns negative or positive) because of the presence of the chemicals in it, due to electrical field fluxuations and the natural properties of chemicals. That is a gross simplification, but I only had an hour on the net to figure this out.
 

babygro

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so what is PH? i honestly have no idea. :confused::confused:
Hiya Fdd

pH is basically a measure of the number of hydrogen ions (H+) present in a solution.

The p is the mathematical symbol for for negative logarithm (-log) because the pH scale is logarithmic. (ie each 1 point movement in pH represents a 10 fold increase or decrease) the H is the chemical symbol for Hydrogen. So a pH of 6, will be 10 times more acidic than a pH of 7.0 (neutral) and a pH of 5.0 is 100 times more acidic than a ph of 7.0.

The more Hydrogen ions a solution contains the more acidic the pH, the less Hydrogen ions the solution contains the more Alkaline the solution. The popular definition of pH is 'parts of hydrogen' ie how many hydrogen ions the solution contains.

As far as how this impacts on growing plants - the pH scale will determine the availability or not of certain nutrients at certain pH values. Most plants can grow in soil with a pH of between 5-9, but to maximise nutrient uptake and availability ie have the maximum nutrient availability to the plant a pH of between 6.4 and 6.8 is optimum, but not essential.

Hope this helps.
 

fdd2blk

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Hiya Fdd

pH is basically a measure of the number of hydrogen ions (H+) present in a solution.

The p is the mathematical symbol for for negative logarithm (-log) because the pH scale is logarithmic. (ie each 1 point movement in pH represents a 10 fold increase or decrease) the H is the chemical symbol for Hydrogen. So a pH of 6, will be 10 times more acidic than a pH of 7.0 (neutral) and a pH of 5.0 is 100 times more acidic than a ph of 7.0.

The more Hydrogen ions a solution contains the more acidic the pH, the less Hydrogen ions the solution contains the more Alkaline the solution. The popular definition of pH is 'parts of hydrogen' ie how many hydrogen ions the solution contains.

As far as how this impacts on growing plants - the pH scale will determine the availability or not of certain nutrients at certain pH values. Most plants can grow in soil with a pH of between 5-9, but to maximise nutrient uptake and availability ie have the maximum nutrient availability to the plant a pH of between 6.4 and 6.8 is optimum, but not essential.

Hope this helps.


perfect. thank you my friend. :blsmoke:
 

mogie

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The degree of acidity/alkalinity of a solution is identified on the ph scale of 0 to 14, with a pH of 7 representing the neutral point. The pH scale is logarithmic, meaning small changes in pH represent large changes in the degree of acidity or alkalinity. For example, a solution with a pH of 5 is ten times as acidic as a solution with a pH of 6, but a solution with a pH of 5 is 100 times as acidic as a solution with a pH of 7. The pH of the nutrient solution is a major determinant of nutrient uptake by the plant.
 

mogie

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LOL

thought if i related it to earthquakes you folks from CA would understand

LOL

I am sorry but I couldn't resist.
 
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