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medidedicated said:
Idk what chiller with air handler is, a refrigerant ac unit with the duct to window? I dont get it, I blow cold air into room from outside to bring air temps down. That doesnt remove latent heat unless I dehumidify it.

Honestly idk we will see how it goes, theres no harm in testing it. Its already on its way. I thought to keep ac just in case but really if it brings air temps down thats fine.

Im trying to understand and not be arogant. If you dont mind explaining more Im all ears and sometimes have to come back to stuff. But if it works thats all Im looking for here.
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Exchanging air with the outdoors absolutely will affect latent heat if the air being brought in has a lower dew point.
 
1212ham said:
Whats the advantage of a chiller and air handler vs mini-split, efficiency?
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Efficiency is a unit by unit comparison.

A chiller makes water cold. That water needs to be pumped around a circuit which would include the chiller, whatever the chiller is cooling such as an air handler or RDWC water or whatever and some kind of reservoir for holding enough water in "cold" storage to allow the chiller to cycle off occasionally but not constantly.

As to whether a chiller system or mini split is better is a question that can only be answered on a case by case basis.
 
Its always humid around me like 80rh which is bad but its never raised rh in my room blowing air inside from outside. Neither would blowing air into room from the hallway open door with house rh at 60-80rh. That but it would be dehumidified coming in.

Contradicting myself a bit actually was about to say you cant just blow humidity or heat from one place to another. Though strategicly, like blowing air into room vs out of it seems to cool room rapidly so figured its about absorbing the heat like a ac unit does.

Regardless the things here tomorrow and Im testing it. I make bad searches that AI only embeds but I searched left and right, will this thing lower temps just a little bit..

Ok so I thought you meant water chiller but not sure what air handler is. Just using cold water to absorb the heat with a fan?

Idk but dont water chillers use the same amount of electricity almost as a ac unit aside from power surge.. I tried looking up nothing came up for chiller with air handler.

Ahh Im stressin about making it work Im fine regardless but yea Im pooped. I was warned to stay with my setup as is long ago or Il just be stressin left and right. Its cool though I prob wasnt expected to last this long and things are coming together ok.
 
1212ham said:
Whats the advantage of a chiller and air handler vs mini-split, efficiency?
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In general, mini splits tend to be better for smaller scale and chillers scale up as big as you can imagine and probably bigger than that lol

You CAN get a big mini split with a central distribution unit and run a bunch of heads but at that point you're into the territory where a chiller setup is likely to be more flexible and cost effective.

A mini split sends pressurized refrigerant through the system which passes through some kind of expansion valve at the head unit and evaporated refrigerant returns to the compressor to be cycled again. Mini split units very often have variable frequency compressors which allow them to match speed to the load, improving efficiency. If some heads have a big load and others have very little, the system can compensate.

A chiller is a compressor like an AC unit that makes water cold instead of air. That water is then pumped around the system picking up heat and then back to the chiller to be cooled again. Usually a chiller system also has a reservoir to build up a store of cold water so the compressor can shut down for awhile, but not "short cycle" where it's kicking on and off every couple of minutes. This improves efficiency. Bigger chillers also have variable frequency drives to better match to the load.

Which one is right very much depends on the specifics of the application.
 
I appreciate yall for helping. I can be arogant and sometimes maybe people dont help because of it. Its one of those fustrating moments growing. Well I havent considered just unplugging one dehuey and use the ac to dehuey it probably equivelant.

I just doubt it will work because our home ac doesnt bring rh below 85% when its on all day everyday. I can try it though. I need to modify the duct to make it work though which means no returning. Maybe I can hook it up to my door duct flange. The drilled holes become useful after all..
 
It will make it to window actually so good Il just use what it came with to test it. Probably would blow 100F air out lol. Its a cool day will be a few days as spring kicks in to test. Ok just read it can stay on dehuey mode. Testing asap. Wake bake. Up at 6am to garden. A real one.
 
It cools alright. Done froze my leg like liquid nitrogen. I barely need it let alone now. Its 73F in there but the window fan was blowing air in and as stated the control its on is sporadic. Reads so sensatively that its off to a hygrometer. The settings are weird to determine when to turn on and off so its just at 76F.

I like this thing and will probably just keep it. Issue is AI is contradicting Im about done with it. Should just learn how to do shit. Ive came this far. I thought it would read everything for me like a search bar but nope. Even the google ai, rufus its all probably the same thing.

Il test swamp cooler when day is right next week. It would help the situation I just need some cool air -20F cooler than 76F. 40F less is like ac unit level coolness. 0F or 10F just barely works unless its a pedestal fan blowing air into room from hall way. Not blowing out, heat doesnt move like that afaik.

edit it doesnt dry and cool at the same time like AI said everywhere.
 
The rh is ok so far. What I was trying to say is AI is wrong, you can get it to both say yes and no on things. It does not dry and cool at same time which is a curve ball. Im thinking use a temp or rh controller as a safe way to toggle the two devices as needed.

IE turn ac on when hot but turn off dehuey and when temp reached, turn dehuey back on and ac off. Is this safe? afaik those controllers are meant to be safe that way as they could house high amp devices. Its all I can think of as of now or just manually do it or buy those two small dehueys for same circuit.

@Absorber I forget if it was you I think it was, youre an electrician right? This sound good? Do you know what a compressor on a 152w dehuey will surge to when starting? If the fuse doesnt blow when testing it, is that my answer?

So far it didnt happen with my 380w dehuey that could surge to 800w, 1000 or 1200w or more.. Probably 800w or it would surely blow fuse. They say 3x the watts for peak watts but thats obnoxious for a 800w fridge or ac unit, that typically needs only 15a.. Any thoughts?

If I can have two 152w dehueys on same circuit it would help alot unless its 456w each surge watts. Even thats not bad but barely could be too much, Im thinking about when power goes out and back on. I dont want it to blow fuse but if it doesnt during a test than idk if thats good.

I know I had eveything on but the dehuey to clean filter so it surely would of blown fuse when starting back up. My continuous watts are 1500w but can be 1000w easy. Lately been realizing its a bit overloaded.
 
Ok 38rh its not dehueying good if at all, no comdensate coming out at all. Just blowing cold ass air lowering temps enough to freeze dehueys. So this things only good for cooling but that it does well. Thats if its not blowing air inside from outside.

I forget how they work but in short Im wondering if they vent directly outside causing negative air pressure. It says it doesnt and explains why but I watched a video on them that said otherwise. Basically the heat from radiator heats room back up.

I totally forget I just thought they were basically as bad as a swamp cooler. Said they should keep making and only keep making the double hose units. I recall better how a minisplit works but dehueys compact a lot going on and just havent spent as much time learning.

I know their basically the same thing but built slightly different. I cant see where the air goes in to freeze, condense and heat back up to exaust. I saw it once but forget already. So a portable ac I really dont know whats going on its like a dehuey but with even more going on. Not very good dehuey though.

All I think I know is they vent the hot part outside and circulate indoor air past the condenser coil if so I dont know what this video I saw was bashing them for then. This thing is turning my room into a fridge in seconds.

Its a cold day though and idk if its because its just pulling in outdoor air. It just hit my leg and was like yea thats colder than outdoor air holy shit.
 
Ahh another curve ball. The video was right and got caught up on the single and two hose units. He was right. Listen to real people not ai it still has a long way to go. At least for these situations but that should tell me something. I can modify it but I rather return and get the double hose and be done with it.

So idk how well it works until its warm enough out which will be soon. Its exausting outside but just cooling it somewhat. Its just got a intake pulling from the room to cool the coil as it blows outside. Now I remember all this. He did say it works though but its inefficient.
 
If it works and there are no comments on anything else besides having two small compressors same circuit.. I really have thought of it all and nothing works like two dehueys in my setup. Just for sure need to half their capacity because equilibrium will cancel out their extra power.

I could for sure have them on seperate circuits and just cool down the room manually or on controller if possible. I dont see why not a controller to make life easier.
 
That means the cold ass air it was blowing out came from the ac lol. So it prob does work enough. Im prob having a high moment tou cant have a switch do that itd have to be something on a timer or just specialized.
 
medidedicated said:
That means the cold ass air it was blowing out came from the ac lol. So it prob does work enough. Im prob having a high moment tou cant have a switch do that itd have to be something on a timer or just specialized.
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You throw out a lot of words but they're pretty self contradictory.

Also, I have a degree and decades of experience in indoor environmental control. If you want to learn, just ask- and then listen carefully.
 
ttystikk said:
You throw out a lot of words but they're pretty self contradictory.

Also, I have a degree and decades of experience in indoor environmental control. If you want to learn, just ask- and then listen carefully.
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I hear ya Im everywhere right now. I think its good with my 8000 btu single hose ac. Im really just wondering if my idea of the 2 dehueys 152w on same circuit is fine if I allow 3x the watts calculated for surge watts and everything else. Then Im good to go.
 
I mean if Im not mistaken you where saying use a minisplit or ac in general like a portable ac preferrably a dual hose. Well Im probably doing that.

I just got done trying find a way to make it work now as is but I found no such thing I described or something cheap and simple to plug in.

So Im just going to downsize my dehueys. Just want make sure its ok. Il try the swamp on the right day and might help. Might work as back up or Il return it. Using that ac was exciting though felt like what I really needed.
 
This guy reviewed basically my dehuey. I was looking for these things but said a clamp style one is more accurate and those are real expensive. Said when compressor starts the 380w dehuey surges to 400-450w.

So a 152w dehuey should be like 222w same line just 22 1500 sq ft vs 3000. So I have 6000 sq ft power in a 100sq ft room. While AI was right about some things it was just plain wrong with others. I never suddenly relied on it I was in durress.

Anyway I estimate just trying out a 152w dehuey and greatly reduce the load if power ever cuts in and out. My people will get on me if I blow a fuse so avoiding that and because you dont want to too many times.

I read reviews did my own search no AI and just using reasonable judgement on mentioned sq ft and humidity levels and humidity load.. I should be using two of the 152w instead of 380w.

I think AI was right about dehueys only being able to reduce so much moisture before it is equal going in and going out. It just gets humid on whatever side of room has no dehuey. All the tents and my bed between them disrupts even a 3000sq ft dehuey.

I do worry when my meters on top of dehuey read 10% higher when plants are clearly dumping heavy. Lately an hour before lights out but maybe it always was and now I notice because one tent is on 11pm to 8am. The other 11am-8pm.

So Im just able to notice things now that every percent matters and watching closely. Having opportunity to see that more often. Anywho Il be so much better off I will be able to have ac plugged in full time no manual. Bout to get cozy here. 152w dehuey on the way.

I was really trippin there for a sec… Sorry yall lol.
 

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