Hermie late in flowering?

nugzz855

nugzz855

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I am 8weeks in flower fem seed and just noticing a banner here and there. I think it was maybe uv stress from a UVB light on for 8 minutes during lights off I think I caught it early. Other plant is a haze and isn't showing any Hermie or banners. Should I chop or finish this is the first crop I've ever had this happen to so many variables it could have been heat stress but it never got above 80. Any recommendations info etc would be helpful
 

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I was thinking of lettuce Ng the haze for 2 weeks longer and maybe the purple a week and some change. What do y'all think? Jeweler looped the haze not milky yet. Did the same to the purp it's just starting to get cloudy but not milky like I'm used to seeing in my other grows maybe stress robbed them off the finishing time making them go longer
 
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So I'm just throwing this out there I love scrogging. I think it's the only way to grow in my book why wouldn't you want to squat the plant to the ground unless you're trying to grow like trees trees big bushy trees like mendo dope trees

Other than that all my tents are 3x3s and scrogging them out can basically feel the whole thing up keep the canopy manageable I'm absolutely in love with it it
 
BongerChonger

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nugzz855 said:
just noticing a banner here and there. I think it was maybe uv stress from a UVB light on for 8 minutes during lights off I think I caught it early. first crop I've ever had this happen to so many variables it could have been heat stress. Any recommendations info etc would be helpful
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Wasn't from stress, it just is what it is. All that stuff about stress this and that, look at the plant the wrong way it herms etc, seriously forget about it!
Forget about hermies, nanners, bananas, balls, stamen, anthers, or whatever you want to call them, being your fault.
It's not because of grower error. The plant is what it is, can't change it genetically.

There are both monoecious and dioecious phenotypes in Cannabis.
Monoecious phenotypes aren't as common, but they're more common than people give them credit for.

People talk about intersex in Cannabis as if a female plant can somehow decide it needs to seed and do it itself on a whim. Like it has a mind of it's own. Total myth, simply untrue.
Then they talk about it being a survival mechanism in the plant...again not true.
The survival mechanism is numbers based. Some plants are male, some are female, some are both.
The only shred of truth is that environment can and does effect a plant's own expression. BUT...environment does not effect a plant's gender.

You get all sorts of intersex expression in Cannabis. Some early cycle, some late, some only a few male flowers, some heaps etc. Some seemingly male plants throw pistils too.

Just like ourselves we can't change what we are.
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Should I chop or finish
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You could just leave it be and finish up, you're close enough. Sometimes the late stage nanners aren't fertile and it's usually only a few.

But if there's a bunch I'd just chop it.
Same if you want a few more weeks time. I've been disappointed before myself leaving it a couple or few weeks when I've had them. I ended up with a bunch of immature seed in the buds. Very annoying to consume. Couldn't grind it and the seeds weren't firm, barely formed, very difficult to sift out, became a real chore.
I'd assume you want a few more weeks for the Haze, so I'd personally consider just harvesting the plant with nanners.
You might get lucky and the Haze hasn't been seeded at all, or you'll get a few seeds.

There's always the risk of few seeds whenever they pop up. And they're never seeds you want. That's why I usually chop them straight away.

But really it's up to you.
 
BongerChonger

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nugzz855 said:
info etc would be helpful
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Thought I'd drop a relevant scientific study regarding hermies and sex expression. I'll put in quotations and post what I think is relevant and leave the rest for you to read in your own time.
And, if I may, keep in mind plant gender is determined by it's inflorescence (it's flowers). A dioecious plant has either male or female flowers, never both.

''Hemp (Cannabis sativa) has a highly
variable sexual phenotype. In dioecious hemp, the
sex is controlled by heteromorphic sex chromosomes
according to an X-to-autosomes equilibrium. How-
ever, in monoecious hemp, the sex determinism
remains widely unknown and has never been related
to a quantitative approach of sex expression''

''The present paper aims to contribute to the
comprehension of the sex determinism in monoecious
hemp. Two specific objectives are pursued: firstly,
assessing the genotypic variability of the sexual
phenotype expressed as a quantitative variable and,
secondly, establishing the constitution in sex chromo-
somes of monoecious hemp through the evaluation of
a large number of plants from distinct cultivars. The
characterisation of the sexual phenotype under several
photoperiodic conditions allowed to take the sensitiv-
ity of the trait to the photoperiod into account''

''These
findings suggest that monoecious hemp has basically
the same sex chromosomes than female plants of
dioecious hemp, i.e., XX chromosomes
The sex expression in monoecious hemp varies
quantitatively among plants as well as, according to
our results, among cultivars and should therefore be a
heritable quantitative trait. Considering that monoe-
cious hemp has the XX constitution regarding sex
chromosomes, the genetic determinism of sex expres-
sion in monoecious hemp should necessarily involve
genes that promote the production of male flowers by
cytologically female hemp plants. Consistent varia-
tions of sex expression and earliness among cultivars
were found, and both traits are sensitive to the
photoperiod.''

I partly apologize for yesterdays comment, bit ranty, "Rodelization" triggers me bad. It's honestly the biggest Canna myth out there.
Never believe either, when someone says "all female plants have the ability to rodelize'' they're BSing you.
Male and Female plants can't do those things.
There absolutely are female plants that never herm, you just need to find them.
Start taking cuttings, keep mothers, sift the intersex out, keep the girls.
nugzz855 said:
I think it was maybe uv stress from a UVB light on for 8 minutes during lights off I think I caught it early. Other plant is a haze and isn't showing any Hermie or banners.
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As I said environment can effect a plant's expression.
And, according to the paper I posted, especially the photoperiod.
So yes, it could have been the light. Same time it mightn't of been at all.

End of the day, does it really matter how it happened? The plant's a hermie, evident by it's flowers.
Worrying about how it happened, or thinking it was your fault, is just chasing your tail for no reason.
 

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BongerChonger said:
Thought I'd drop a relevant scientific study regarding hermies and sex expression. I'll put in quotations and post what I think is relevant and leave the rest for you to read in your own time.
And, if I may, keep in mind plant gender is determined by it's inflorescence (it's flowers). A dioecious plant has either male or female flowers, never both.

''Hemp (Cannabis sativa) has a highly
variable sexual phenotype. In dioecious hemp, the
sex is controlled by heteromorphic sex chromosomes
according to an X-to-autosomes equilibrium. How-
ever, in monoecious hemp, the sex determinism
remains widely unknown and has never been related
to a quantitative approach of sex expression''

''The present paper aims to contribute to the
comprehension of the sex determinism in monoecious
hemp. Two specific objectives are pursued: firstly,
assessing the genotypic variability of the sexual
phenotype expressed as a quantitative variable and,
secondly, establishing the constitution in sex chromo-
somes of monoecious hemp through the evaluation of
a large number of plants from distinct cultivars. The
characterisation of the sexual phenotype under several
photoperiodic conditions allowed to take the sensitiv-
ity of the trait to the photoperiod into account''

''These
findings suggest that monoecious hemp has basically
the same sex chromosomes than female plants of
dioecious hemp, i.e., XX chromosomes
The sex expression in monoecious hemp varies
quantitatively among plants as well as, according to
our results, among cultivars and should therefore be a
heritable quantitative trait. Considering that monoe-
cious hemp has the XX constitution regarding sex
chromosomes, the genetic determinism of sex expres-
sion in monoecious hemp should necessarily involve
genes that promote the production of male flowers by
cytologically female hemp plants. Consistent varia-
tions of sex expression and earliness among cultivars
were found, and both traits are sensitive to the
photoperiod.''

I partly apologize for yesterdays comment, bit ranty, "Rodelization" triggers me bad. It's honestly the biggest Canna myth out there.
Never believe either, when someone says "all female plants have the ability to rodelize'' they're BSing you.
Male and Female plants can't do those things.
There absolutely are female plants that never herm, you just need to find them.
Start taking cuttings, keep mothers, sift the intersex out, keep the girls.

As I said environment can effect a plant's expression.
And, according to the paper I posted, especially the photoperiod.
So yes, it could have been the light. Same time it mightn't of been at all.

End of the day, does it really matter how it happened? The plant's a hermie, evident by it's flowers.
Worrying about how it happened, or thinking it was your fault, is just chasing your tail for no reason.
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Then are the flowers that Hermes worth harvesting?
Other plant didn't herm
 
nugzz855

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Cool was sure. Bongerchonger thank you for your patience with me. I'm so used to sourcing quality genetics I should have known getting a pack from a friend.

Here is As of today. They are really chunking up still. A lot changed in one day. And as of the light correction they went back to putting on weight and resin. I have wrinkly fingers because they're drinking so much I'm cleaning reservoirs.
 

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nugzz855 said:
Cool was sure. Bongerchonger thank you for your patience with me. I'm so used to sourcing quality genetics I should have known getting a pack from a friend.

Here is As of today. They are really chunking up still. A lot changed in one day. And as of the light correction they went back to putting on weight and resin. I have wrinkly fingers because they're drinking so much I'm cleaning reservoirs.
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Looks nice man! bongsmilie

I wouldn't be so fast to blame the genetics either. The genetics might be really good. Herms just happen, they're very natural.
One in a pack here or there, regular seed, no big deal.
 
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