707 Seedbank - Hops latent warning

FirstCavApache64

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fair is fair shabud....

Shabud gave me hops latent virus.... and russet mites.

His hops killed my entire collection of genetics. Now he acts like nothing happened.

Such a kind bro

I just wanted to clear the air. Used to be a friend. Now I wouldn't touch anything of his with a ten foot pole.

have a good one.
I still have your Motorbreath 15 and Pre 98 Bubba, some of my all time favorites. Sucks to see you lose so many great strains. If you want either strain back dm me on Overgrow where clone trading is allowed.
 

sunni

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@SpaceGrease we dont allow marketing/customer service on the forum, if i let one company come in and use a business account to provide public statements and customer responses i have to let everyone, which i cannot than the entire damn forum is just companies coming on here to make bank and provide customer service.

I dont get to give 1 guy a pass.

you all have access to the internet you can find their public information released on websites, ig ,wherever the company does their business
 
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Star Dog

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Let's say you started seeds with hlv what would you expect to see with them and what steps would you take to prevent it spreading?
 

SchmoeJoe

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Let's say you started seeds with hlv what would you expect to see with them and what steps would you take to prevent it spreading?
You'd have to keep the seeds isolated from each other from the very beginning. Germination all the way through every stage of growth until having them each tested. Since it's latent there's a good chance you wouldn't actually see any symptons.
 

Star Dog

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Holy moly without symptoms it's worse than I even imagined, it could be mixed around in run off, sharing pots, tools whatever without even realising it's present...omg I need a joint :spew:
 

xox

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@SchmoeJoe came across this article i just took a pertinent snippet with the referenced studies it appears there isn't any evidence that proves hop latent viroid is transmissible through seed

In 1999, the first study of its kind on the transmission of HpLVd claimed that the viroid is potentially transmitted in one specific chemotype of hops at a frequency of 8%, but study data is not available.8 Prior to this study published, there was no information on the transmissibility of HpLVd through the generative (seed-making) or seed phases.3 Successive studies reiterate that "low transmission efficiency has been reported through pollen transfer or by seed." These studies have since disproved the claims of seed-transmissibility.3,8,9
In one follow-up study, 100% infected parent plants were used to produce F1 hybrids, which showed no infection when grown under greenhouse conditions.3
The researchers found that, once these F1's were reintroduced into an outdoor garden, HpLVd reemerged gradually over a period of ten years; the study suggests that is a result of contamination from an uncontrolled environment. Throughout the entirety of the study, only two "weakly-positive" samples were found amongst the F1 hybrids, having 0.5% of the minimum viroid level to be considered "infected."9
Their results suggest that HLVd is not readily transmissible through seed and that the re-infection appears either due to some threshold viroid content in some plants and/or as a result of viroid transmission from other infected materials."3
Eight years later, those same researchers authored another study in 2008 confirming that "Hop latent viroid (HLVd) is not transmissible through hop generative tissues and seeds," continuing further that, while HLVd can propagate in hop pollen, it is eliminated during the first stages of mitosis, and "no viroid was detectable in in vitro germinating pollen, suggesting complete degradation of circular and linear HLVd forms."9
While we can infer from these results that, like hops, HpLVd is also not transmissible through cannabis seeds, there has yet to be any published data confirming transmissibility specific to cannabis.

source / studies

3. Matoušek, J., and Patzak, J. (2000). A low transmissibility of hop latent viroid (HLVd) through a generative phase of hop (Humulus lupulus L.). Biol. Plant 43:145-148.

https://bp.ueb.cas.cz/pdfs/bpl/2000/01/33.pdf

8. Darby, P. (1999). New selection criteria for hop breeding. Pages 3-6 in: Proc. Sc. Comm. Int. Hop Grow. Convn. Pulawy.

9. Matousek J, Orctová L, Skopek J, Pesina K, Steger G. (01 February 2021). Elimination of hop latent viroid upon developmental activation of pollen nucleases. Biol Chem. 2008 Jul;389(7):905-18. doi: 10.1515/BC.2008.096. PMID: 18627315.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18627315/
 

SchmoeJoe

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@SchmoeJoe came across this article i just took a pertinent snippet with the referenced studies it appears there isn't any evidence that proves hop latent viroid is transmissible through seed

In 1999, the first study of its kind on the transmission of HpLVd claimed that the viroid is potentially transmitted in one specific chemotype of hops at a frequency of 8%, but study data is not available.8 Prior to this study published, there was no information on the transmissibility of HpLVd through the generative (seed-making) or seed phases.3 Successive studies reiterate that "low transmission efficiency has been reported through pollen transfer or by seed." These studies have since disproved the claims of seed-transmissibility.3,8,9
In one follow-up study, 100% infected parent plants were used to produce F1 hybrids, which showed no infection when grown under greenhouse conditions.3
The researchers found that, once these F1's were reintroduced into an outdoor garden, HpLVd reemerged gradually over a period of ten years; the study suggests that is a result of contamination from an uncontrolled environment. Throughout the entirety of the study, only two "weakly-positive" samples were found amongst the F1 hybrids, having 0.5% of the minimum viroid level to be considered "infected."9
Their results suggest that HLVd is not readily transmissible through seed and that the re-infection appears either due to some threshold viroid content in some plants and/or as a result of viroid transmission from other infected materials."3
Eight years later, those same researchers authored another study in 2008 confirming that "Hop latent viroid (HLVd) is not transmissible through hop generative tissues and seeds," continuing further that, while HLVd can propagate in hop pollen, it is eliminated during the first stages of mitosis, and "no viroid was detectable in in vitro germinating pollen, suggesting complete degradation of circular and linear HLVd forms."9
While we can infer from these results that, like hops, HpLVd is also not transmissible through cannabis seeds, there has yet to be any published data confirming transmissibility specific to cannabis.

source / studies

3. Matoušek, J., and Patzak, J. (2000). A low transmissibility of hop latent viroid (HLVd) through a generative phase of hop (Humulus lupulus L.). Biol. Plant 43:145-148.

https://bp.ueb.cas.cz/pdfs/bpl/2000/01/33.pdf

8. Darby, P. (1999). New selection criteria for hop breeding. Pages 3-6 in: Proc. Sc. Comm. Int. Hop Grow. Convn. Pulawy.

9. Matousek J, Orctová L, Skopek J, Pesina K, Steger G. (01 February 2021). Elimination of hop latent viroid upon developmental activation of pollen nucleases. Biol Chem. 2008 Jul;389(7):905-18. doi: 10.1515/BC.2008.096. PMID: 18627315.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18627315/
To be fair, the sources I was basing that on were much more recent, but they did say that they found cannabis seeds to have a high rate of hlvd on the surface of the seeds. Not that those seeds developed in to infected plants. That said, I don't see how that wouldn't be possible. Even if only at a low rate. They also said that they found seeds to be infected from both an infected female plant pollinated by a clean male, and a clean female plant pollinated by an infected male.
 

Heisenberg

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The current understanding is that infected plants can produce about 50% infected seeds (50/100 will carry). So, while growing from seed is clearly a safer choice, it is not in any way worry-free. We have to get our genetics tested and then once our garden is safe be very careful when bringing in new genetics. Seedlings now need to be quarantined until tested just like clones.
 
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