F3 Valley Ice. (Matanuska x SFV OG)

[conor c]

Below is a pic of the girl that has an SFV OG plant structure but MTF flower structure. Its pretty cool to see the genetics fuse this way.
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I also want to include a pic of the runt. This plant has good trichome production but I can tell by the way the flowers are forming that it will be a low yielder. All of the colas look super larfy... Its disappointing. View attachment 5430337View attachment 5430338


On a side note, I recently saw a picture of a strain that had the most epic looking leaves. I thought it might have been caused by over fertilizing, but its not. Im pretty sure I want to breed a similar trait into the Valley Ice.
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If you know of a strain that has this crazy leaf pheno, please let me know. I will be doing some research.

Cheers

Lots of folk making crosses with ducks foot and freakshow etc maybe something with that in it it's deffo overfed though

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Lots of folk making crosses with ducks foot and freakshow etc maybe something with that in it it's deffo overfed though

Im not a fan of Ducks Foot. I grew one out several tears ago and the flower structure is to leafy for my liking.
I haven't grown freakshow, but it looks promising. Apparently Shapeshifter has been in the game since the 70s.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Shout out to @Senokai 12/12 Seed company. I was a winner in their recent giveaway! I cant wait to pop the Amnesia Haze hybrid. I will definitely be crossing some of the Amnesia girls with my purple Valley Ice male. The purple male has all the common haze characteristics, so It should produce a strong Hazy f1 lot.


Experiments Experiments

 

[conor c]

Im not a fan of Ducks Foot. I grew one out several tears ago and the flower structure is to leafy for my liking.
I haven't grown freakshow, but it looks promising. Apparently Shapeshifter has been in the game since the 70s.

Apparently the Hawaiian webbed indica if you can ever lay your hands on it is the best of the bunch of the weird looking ones bud

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Apparently the Hawaiian webbed indica if you can ever lay your hands on it is the best of the bunch of the weird looking ones bud

Sounds interesting. Tell me more. Links?

 

[conor c]

Sounds interesting. Tell me more. Links?

Search results for query: Hawaiian webbed indica

Fair bit on it and Hawaiian stuff in general on there they got a big thread on stuff from there definitely worth a read man I just wouldn't post on there Gypsynirvana is dodgy imo

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Search results for query: Hawaiian webbed indica

Fair bit on it and Hawaiian stuff in general on there they got a big thread on stuff from there definitely worth a read man I just wouldn't post on there Gypsynirvana is dodgy imo

The crippy strain has some cool looking leaves. I wonder if the curled leaf pheno would be difficult to isolate?

 

[Nizza]

Shout out to @Senokai 12/12 Seed company. I was a winner in their recent giveaway! I cant wait to pop the Amnesia Haze hybrid. I will definitely be crossing some of the Amnesia girls with my purple Valley Ice male. The purple male has all the common haze characteristics, so It should produce a strong Hazy f1 lot.
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Experiments Experiments

I have these same packs! I am planning on starting to pheno hunt and have fun growing different varieties in a small hobbie setup over this winter instead of going all out. I have to downsize on my growspace and what you're doing is inspirational. I have been very interested in crossing some genetics but need to learn more. I want to say thanks for sharing your journal It is a nice read and as long as you like the crosses you make, it will be great having tons of seeds to share with people. Theres a few people here that are very generous with their offerings and eventually I would like to return the favor. I hope you make something wonderful!! Thanks again for sharing ill be watching

 

[Farmer's Hat]

I have these same packs! I am planning on starting to pheno hunt and have fun growing different varieties in a small hobbie setup over this winter instead of going all out. I have to downsize on my grow space and what you're doing is inspirational. I have been very interested in crossing some genetics but need to learn more. I want to say thanks for sharing your journal It is a nice read and as long as you like the crosses you make, it will be great having tons of seeds to share with people. There's a few people here that are very generous with their offerings and eventually I would like to return the favor. I hope you make something wonderful!! Thanks again for sharing ill be watching

My pleasure. If you ever feel inspired to cross some strains, start a thread! I will watch and chime in with my two cents.

 

[Nizza]

My pleasure. If you ever feel inspired to cross some strains, start a thread! I will watch and chime in with my two cents.

I definitely will , I appreciate it. I need to make some seeds I can grow here on coastal new england that can withstand mold and pests, and finish off early. I've had some strains that seem to work but havent grown outdoors in a long time due to the fact that our humidity/ dew points are so crazy that its such a mind fuck trying to get a strain to finish out. It seems like I really need to go back to the drawing board and find a strain that can withstand these conditions late flower. Ill definitely reach out!

 

[Farmer's Hat]

I definitely will , I appreciate it. I need to make some seeds I can grow here on coastal new england that can withstand mold and pests, and finish off early. I've had some strains that seem to work but havent grown outdoors in a long time due to the fact that our humidity/ dew points are so crazy that its such a mind fuck trying to get a strain to finish out. It seems like I really need to go back to the drawing board and find a strain that can withstand these conditions late flower. Ill definitely reach out!

We have a similar climate out here. Force flowering in hoop houses is your best bet, unless your in a greenhouse. I worked 2 years at this tier 3 farm called C4. My buddy Shannon owns the business. It was an enormous outdoor operation that forced flowered everything in July, by manually pulling black plastic over the hoop houses. They still had some mold, but it was less than 5% if I recall correctly. They sold the moldy weed, frozen to oil producers. It was a really efficient outdoor operation.

 

[Nizza]

We have a similar climate out here. Force flowering in hoop houses is your best bet, unless your in a greenhouse. I worked 2 years at this tier 3 farm called C4. My buddy Shannon owns the business. It was an enormous outdoor operation that forced flowered everything in July, by manually pulling black plastic over the hoop houses. They still had some mold, but it was less than 5% if I recall correctly. They sold the moldy weed, frozen to oil producers. It was a really efficient outdoor operation.

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shit that looks like a very nice clean outdoor operation, and I could see why it makes sense to have people there be able to control the deprivation and venting. mad cool thanks that is some good shit. I met a dude here in MA who has a hoop bender and said hed let me borrow it. maybe next season i can convince my landlord to let me make one. I am a tradesman so anything can be possible as far as material/ tools goes. I do HVAC. hit me up if you have any technical questions Air is my specialty. For now i have alot going on but willing to help when i can. breeding when i grow again is going to be my new thing so im excited for it

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Today I spotted a little bit of powder mildew on the Brandywine. Freaking sensitive indoor strain. I set up another box fan blowing right at her. Lol


All of my F3 plants are still swelling up and are not having any issues. Plants bred outdoors will always have stronger resistance to pests and mold, if the selective process is approached correctly.



Im starting to think the F1 (Valley Ice x Brandywine) might not be worth digging through for good phenotypes. The one positive thing that Brandywine had going was that it flowered early, but that seems irrelevant now. My Valley Ice strain has already surpassed Brandywine in flower production, even though it started flowering a week later. Brandywine is definitely sensitive to cold temps and evidently is not equipped with the right genetics to thrive in a greenhouse. I imagine it would perform even worst outdoors in this PNW climate. The only positive thing that Brandywine has going at this point is trichome production. Its definitely frostier than Valley Ice.

I guess I could go through some of the F1 beans, indoors, just out of curiosity. If something absolutely incredible pops up, I could backcross it with one of the F3 fathers, in hopes that it becomes more resistant to pests and mold.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Im doing some research regarding breeding plants indoors vs outdoors. There is a lof of useful information on the topic. Here is a quick overview of the point that interests me.

"Plants bred indoors for multiple generations (F3 or further) may exhibit reduced fitness in challenging environments due to lack of selection pressure. Without exposure to pests, diseases, and environmental stresses, natural selection doesn't favor individuals with robust defense mechanisms."

There is also research indicating that seeds developed outdoors after indoor pollination may exhibit enhanced adaptability. Seeds matured outdoors may produce offspring that is better at adapting to environmental stressors.

This is why my instincts keep pushing me to test everything in diverse environments. Certain flaws or vulnerabilities remain hidden if a strain is bred and grown only indoors. The Brandywine is a great example of this. It clearly has poor resistance to powder mildew because it was probably never exposed to it during the selection process. To know if a plant has a strong resistance to pests, etc. all of the plants that I am selecting from should be exposed to these stressors in order to find the plants that have the best resistance.

Selecting plants to breed only for looks, aroma, and potency has major flaws in this respect.

Im going to refresh and a read a few of these books that were recommended.



*Classics in Plant Breeding*



- __Breeding for Quantitative Traits in Plants__ by Bernardo (2020) - A comprehensive guide to understanding plant breeding concepts and methods ¹.

- __Principles of Cultivar Development__ by Walter Fehr (1993) - Covers traditional breeding methods and strategies for developing cultivars ¹.

- __Principles of Plant Breeding__ by Robert W. Allard (1999) - Provides foundational knowledge on plant breeding [4).



*Modern Plant Breeding Books*



- __Principles of Plant Genetics and Breeding__ by George Acquaah (2020) - Combines classical and molecular tools for modern plant breeding ³ ⁴ ¹.

- __Linear Selection Indices in Modern Plant Breeding__ by JJC Rojas and José Crossa - Explores advanced breeding techniques ¹.

- __Seed Science and Technology__ by Malavika Dadlani and DK Yadava (2023) - Covers the latest in seed science and technology [4).

 

[conor c]

Im doing some research regarding breeding plants indoors vs outdoors. There is a lof of useful information on the topic. Here is a quick overview of the point that interests me.

"Plants bred indoors for multiple generations (F3 or further) may exhibit reduced fitness in challenging environments due to lack of selection pressure. Without exposure to pests, diseases, and environmental stresses, natural selection doesn't favor individuals with robust defense mechanisms."

There is also research indicating that seeds developed outdoors after indoor pollination may exhibit enhanced adaptability. Seeds matured outdoors may produce offspring that is better at adapting to environmental stressors.

This is why my instincts keep pushing me to test everything in diverse environments. Certain flaws or vulnerabilities remain hidden if a strain is bred and grown only indoors. The Brandywine is a great example of this. It clearly has poor resistance to powder mildew because it was probably never exposed to it during the selection process. To know if a plant has a strong resistance to pests, etc. all of the plants that I am selecting from should be exposed to these stressors in order to find the plants that have the best resistance.

Selecting plants to breed only for looks, aroma, and potency has major flaws in this respect.

Im going to refresh and a read a few of these books that were recommended.



*Classics in Plant Breeding*



- __Breeding for Quantitative Traits in Plants__ by Bernardo (2020) - A comprehensive guide to understanding plant breeding concepts and methods ¹.

- __Principles of Cultivar Development__ by Walter Fehr (1993) - Covers traditional breeding methods and strategies for developing cultivars ¹.

- __Principles of Plant Breeding__ by Robert W. Allard (1999) - Provides foundational knowledge on plant breeding [4).



*Modern Plant Breeding Books*



- __Principles of Plant Genetics and Breeding__ by George Acquaah (2020) - Combines classical and molecular tools for modern plant breeding ³ ⁴ ¹.

- __Linear Selection Indices in Modern Plant Breeding__ by JJC Rojas and José Crossa (201 - Explores advanced breeding techniques ¹.

- __Seed Science and Technology__ by Malavika Dadlani and DK Yadava (2023) - Covers the latest in seed science and technology [4).

Definitely it is a thing something kept indoors too long tends to be less hardy out you should look at some of KC brains work most of his stuff is made with outdoors in mind he breeds for resistance and big plants and it's cheap as can be im sure there will be some folk in the states who do similar work but in Europe he been doing it a long time

 

[Dboybudz]

Awesome adventure you been doing,I'm a landscaper, Gardner so I can only imagine the work you've done outside grows. Just growing a few outside is work when finding time to take care off em. Love the whole thread you got going,your going to be making some special flowers. So many people now are just breeding inside like you said then you try to grow some outside and mold,PM, pests just take over. This community is lucky to have you. Can't wait to see what you do.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Awesome adventure you been doing,I'm a landscaper, Gardner so I can only imagine the work you've done outside grows. Just growing a few outside is work when finding time to take care off em. Love the whole thread you got going,your going to be making some special flowers. So many people now are just breeding inside like you said then you try to grow some outside and mold,PM, pests just take over. This community is lucky to have you. Can't wait to see what you do.

Its a community effort. I learn from everyone, I experiment, and share what is worth sharing.
Having said that, here is this weeks flower pictures. I cant get good shots of the main colas because they're too tall.

Mother #2 (Im finding out that she is really slow to propagate.)


SFV OG


MTF


Mother #1 Valley Ice


Everyone who helps me trim will get smoked out with scissor hash.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Big shout out to @Jonesfamily7715
I got ahold of some landrace sativas to grow and mess around with. Super excited to cross some of these sativas with the Valley Ice.

Can you name all these strains @conor c ?
Into the fridge they go, for now.

 

[conor c]

Big shout out to @Jonesfamily7715
I got ahold of some landrace sativas to grow and mess around with. Super excited to cross some of these sativas with the Valley Ice.

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Into the fridge they go, for now.

I'm assuming rsc mg is Malawi gold real seed company the ace one is there Malawi x to rsc Malawi and tlt is the landrace team Malawi gold the bod x ujs is throwing me I suppose the bod could be short for bodhi? The ujs bit I'm not sure of str could be stardog

 

[Dboybudz]

I'm assuming rsc mg is Malawi gold real seed company the ace one is there Malawi x to rsc Malawi and tlt is the landrace team Malawi gold the bod x ujs is throwing me I suppose the bod could be short for bodhi? The ujs bit I'm not sure of str could be stardog

Uncle John skunk x bag of orange