Can someone please explain this?

[tstick]

"Mikado is a hybrid weed strain made from a genetic cross between two landrace strains. This strain is 70% indica and 30% sativa...."

If the strain is a hybrid between two, LANDRACE STRAINS, then how can the cross be 70% Indica and 30% Sativa? It is either going to be 100% Indica, 100% Sativa or, 50/50. What am I missing?

 

[Larf_Man]

Yeah true haha.

 

[conor c]

"Mikado is a hybrid weed strain made from a genetic cross between two landrace strains. This strain is 70% indica and 30% sativa...."

If the strain is a hybrid between two, LANDRACE STRAINS, then how can the cross be 70% Indica and 30% Sativa? It is either going to be 100% Indica, 100% Sativa or, 50/50. What am I missing?

Selection kill anything that isn't indica trait wise rinse repeat still idk how they work out those ratios out to numbers to say for sure I'd just say it's indica dominant or leaning however unless it's a different strain under same name I'm sure in reality it's a spg cross not landrace it was from federation seeds in canada unless theres more than one with that name

 

[GWilliamsCannabis]

I take it as more of a percentage....like 70% of phenos will land sativa dom and 30% will land on the indica side.....I don't read it as oh there's 70% sativa in these genetics.

 

[Gemtree]

IDK but I named my dog Mikado after seeing that strain in the big book of buds back in like 03. Rip buddy

 

[LoganBaker]

Dude, it's not as simple as 50/50. Landraces are the OG strains, right? But they still have genes that express as indica or sativa traits. So when you cross two landraces, those genes mix up and you get a hybrid that leans one way or the other. Think of it like mixing paint, man. You can get all sorts of shades even if you start with just two colors.

 

[KeyFinger]

Well, either those are NOT landraces, or perhaps they were crossed several times decreasing percentage of one. Perhaps dominant genes or possibility of phenotype event

 

[tstick]

Okay, well if I'm mistaken, then my apologies for the waste of time thread. But I always thought that a landrace strain was a strain that nature had created, where the genetic traits had been established and stabilized after countless regenerations. Sativa landrace strains would be from certain regions where there was a long growing season. Indicas would be from another part of the world where they adapted to grow short and squat and where the daylight and growing season was shorter. If that's true, then it shouldn't be possible for a landrace Sativa to express Indica traits...and visa-versa.

 

[MissinThe90’sStrains]

If you listen to breeder podcasts, especially Bodhi and Ace, there are things such as narrow leaves indica varieties, and varieties out there that show characteristics of both indica and sativa. Plants evolved certain characteristics to best grow in a particular environment. There are regions that harbor both indicas and sativas, and pollination happens naturally over time.

In regards to a landrace cross being a “70/30“ strain - they don’t specify which filial generation it is. Depending on how the line is worked, percentages would get weird, even if they started with 2 100% pure strains.

 

[GWilliamsCannabis]

Thanks to this bipartisan nonsense people group groggy comedown cbn & pesticide weed along with cough lock and pain relief weed.

Just like Sativa, we're supposed to put hallucinogenic weed in with cocaine weed and the 'too stoned to mentally function even though I'm full of energy' weed.


That's 6 different types of high and still a very incomplete categorization.


The problem is, couch lock weed isn't sold at stores. Neither is pain relief weed.

Neither is trip weed, or cocaine weed or "why am I pacing this room, forgot about my girlfriend waiting in the car" weed.

I mean if you've never lost your spouse in your own house for 2 hours, only to find her doing some weirdo activities in the bathroom mirror and neither of you remember what you were supposed to be doing, do you really know what 100% sativa is? No, that's why this bipartisan poser shit exists. People love the illusion of choice when everything they have access to is virtually the same.

And that's why stores sell more than 1 brand of apples lol they're all the same; generally taste the same; but the price is different.....and the more expensive one is viewed as "better"

 

[GWilliamsCannabis]

But yes the thca is sold in stores.

I did research and found it's grown at a lower temperature than normal weed....also harvested 2 weeks earlier ( the plants aren't grown fully and aren't at their peaks)....aka shittier weed.

Amazingly though; testing those varieties they seem to score higher than fully grown plants.....could it be that these tests are complete bullshit?? That the government controlled weed isn't what the government approved company says it is? You don't say. Lol.

I find it odd that suddenly ppl trust these dispensaries more than their local grower or street dealer that they've dealt with basically since they began smoking weed in their area. There's ppl who refuse to buy weed if it isn't from the dispensary. Mostly because of bullshitted test numbers.

 

[conor c]

Okay, well if I'm mistaken, then my apologies for the waste of time thread. But I always thought that a landrace strain was a strain that nature had created, where the genetic traits had been established and stabilized after countless regenerations. Sativa landrace strains would be from certain regions where there was a long growing season. Indicas would be from another part of the world where they adapted to grow short and squat and where the daylight and growing season was shorter. If that's true, then it shouldn't be possible for a landrace Sativa to express Indica traits...and visa-versa.

No landraces are domesticates truly wild cannabis isn't something any of us would want it be too weak anyway remember landraces been under selective pressure for centuries or in some cases way way way longer hash strains are under less selective pressure Vs ganja strains there more worked

 

[tstick]

I always assumed that the reason we used to import weed in bales from those places, was because the weed from those places was unique unto itself. It was wild...but not wild as in hemp-wild. It was wild in terms of having to be from that place where it grew and evolved through open pollination naturally for a long, long, LONG time.
When there wasn't as much variety to choose from in those days, it was easy to recognize the type of weed just from the look and smell. I remember getting quarter pounds of Red Columbian where the buds were almost chocolate brown colored, full of seeds and had a smell that was like caramel. Oaxacan was bright green, leafy with almost jet-black, oily seeds and it tasted like moss in a delicious kind of way. I remember Thai sticks that were leafy with hues of blue-green and tan and a smell like spicy chai tea mixed with Kiwi shoe polish....Hawaiian sinsemilla that tasted like the whole spice cabinet fell off the kitchen wall. Contrast that with all of the complex hybrids that exist now....Everything just gets mixed and combined until it all ends up tasting the same. As an analogy, we used to go to the movie theater and order a "Graveyard" soda from the concession stand. That was where you combined all the different flavors of soda into one cup. It was delicious! It didn't taste like Coke, Root Beer, 7-Up, Orange and Dr Pepper. It was a combination of everything. But, what if every soda became a Graveyard? What if all you wanted was some Orange Crush or some 7-Up, etc.? Nope. It's all Graveyard, now. You can't get the individual components -just the combination of all of them. That's where the difference is. That old, landrace weed really was unique and it was consistently-unique...It was recognizable. Each type was very individualized. They were their own flavor. The reason why we lost those unique tastes is because they all just got jumbled together into another version of the Graveyard.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

As an analogy, we used to go to the movie theater and order a "Graveyard" soda from the concession stand. That was where you combined all the different flavors of soda into one cup. It was delicious! It didn't taste like Coke, Root Beer, 7-Up, Orange and Dr Pepper. It was a combination of everything. But, what if every soda became a Graveyard? What if all you wanted was some Orange Crush or some 7-Up, etc.? Nope. It's all Graveyard, now. You can't get the individual components -just the combination of all of them. That's where the difference is. That old, landrace weed really was unique and it was consistently-unique...It was recognizable. Each type was very individualized. They were their own flavor. The reason why we lost those unique tastes is because they all just got jumbled together into another version of the Graveyard.

This is a great analogy. I stay away from all the "graveyard" weed. I like that landraces are starting to make a comeback. Hybridizing landraces sounds really interesting. I guess it all depends on what the individual is after. Ive enjoyed working with some of the classics like Durban Poison, Northern lights, etc.

 

[tstick]

Thanks to this bipartisan nonsense people group groggy comedown cbn & pesticide weed along with cough lock and pain relief weed.

Just like Sativa, we're supposed to put hallucinogenic weed in with cocaine weed and the 'too stoned to mentally function even though I'm full of energy' weed.


That's 6 different types of high and still a very incomplete categorization.


The problem is, couch lock weed isn't sold at stores. Neither is pain relief weed.

Neither is trip weed, or cocaine weed or "why am I pacing this room, forgot about my girlfriend waiting in the car" weed.

I mean if you've never lost your spouse in your own house for 2 hours, only to find her doing some weirdo activities in the bathroom mirror and neither of you remember what you were supposed to be doing, do you really know what 100% sativa is? No, that's why this bipartisan poser shit exists. People love the illusion of choice when everything they have access to is virtually the same.

This is an interesting point because I know that we didn't EVER differentiate the type of high that we got from weed. Back then, if the weed was good weed, then it tasted great and it sat you down. It made your eyeballs into rubies and slowwwwwed everything down and made everything feel warm and fuzzy. There was no "I'm going to climb a mountain, now" weed. No one was looking for "relief from sore muscles" weed. In other words, the effect we were looking to get from smoking weed was kind of specific, but the flavors and looks of the weed were variable. Alcohol is like that in the same regard. The effects are specific no matter what flavor or style of alcohol you consume. The effect of the alcohol on the body is well-understood. There isn't any "up" alcohol or "couch lock" alcohol. I always believed that the unique flavors of landrace weed, were the result of the soil, the sun, the water and the air inherent to where they came from...and that's what made something a landrace strain.

If a man and a woman conceive a child, then that child is always going to be 50% of the dad and 50% of the mom....although that kid might look more like the mom or more like the dad. The kid will never be 70% of the dad and 30% of the mom, regardless. Am I wrong?

 

[Farmer's Hat]

If a man and a woman conceive a child, then that child is always going to be 50% of the dad and 50% of the mom....although that kid might look more like the mom or more like the dad. The kid will never be 70% of the dad and 30% of the mom, regardless. Am I wrong?

That sounds correct. The way we currently describe Sativa/Indica % doesn't have any scientific method to it. Perhaps its more of an attempt to describe the traits of a strain. Traits that are commonly associated with the two Sativa/Indica varieties such as fat leaf, thin leaf, flower structure, etc.
I would hope its not an attempt to describe the psychedelic effect of a strain, because that seems to be more dependent on a person's individual biology.

 

[conor c]

That sounds correct. The way we currently describe Sativa/Indica % doesn't have any scientific method to it. Perhaps its more of an attempt to describe the traits of a strain. Traits that are commonly associated with the two Sativa/Indica varieties such as fat leaf, thin leaf, flower structure, etc.
I would hope its not an attempt to describe the psychedelic effect of a strain, because that seems to be more dependent on a person's individual biology.

It is a bit dated for a start you got the types of cannabis like drug type 1 THC dominant type two balanced CBD to THC and then type 3 CBD dom low THC the indica comes from the indus valley connection then of course ya got afghanica too and the sativa thing is just applied to domesticated plants in gardening

 

[conor c]

This is an interesting point because I know that we didn't EVER differentiate the type of high that we got from weed. Back then, if the weed was good weed, then it tasted great and it sat you down. It made your eyeballs into rubies and slowwwwwed everything down and made everything feel warm and fuzzy. There was no "I'm going to climb a mountain, now" weed. No one was looking for "relief from sore muscles" weed. In other words, the effect we were looking to get from smoking weed was kind of specific, but the flavors and looks of the weed were variable. Alcohol is like that in the same regard. The effects are specific no matter what flavor or style of alcohol you consume. The effect of the alcohol on the body is well-understood. There isn't any "up" alcohol or "couch lock" alcohol. I always believed that the unique flavors of landrace weed, were the result of the soil, the sun, the water and the air inherent to where they came from...and that's what made something a landrace strain.

If a man and a woman conceive a child, then that child is always going to be 50% of the dad and 50% of the mom....although that kid might look more like the mom or more like the dad. The kid will never be 70% of the dad and 30% of the mom, regardless. Am I wrong?

Or the kid might look like neither that's possible too thanks to random assortment it's genetics way of keeping our genepool from getting too stagnant

 

[conor c]

I always assumed that the reason we used to import weed in bales from those places, was because the weed from those places was unique unto itself. It was wild...but not wild as in hemp-wild. It was wild in terms of having to be from that place where it grew and evolved through open pollination naturally for a long, long, LONG time.
When there wasn't as much variety to choose from in those days, it was easy to recognize the type of weed just from the look and smell. I remember getting quarter pounds of Red Columbian where the buds were almost chocolate brown colored, full of seeds and had a smell that was like caramel. Oaxacan was bright green, leafy with almost jet-black, oily seeds and it tasted like moss in a delicious kind of way. I remember Thai sticks that were leafy with hues of blue-green and tan and a smell like spicy chai tea mixed with Kiwi shoe polish....Hawaiian sinsemilla that tasted like the whole spice cabinet fell off the kitchen wall. Contrast that with all of the complex hybrids that exist now....Everything just gets mixed and combined until it all ends up tasting the same. As an analogy, we used to go to the movie theater and order a "Graveyard" soda from the concession stand. That was where you combined all the different flavors of soda into one cup. It was delicious! It didn't taste like Coke, Root Beer, 7-Up, Orange and Dr Pepper. It was a combination of everything. But, what if every soda became a Graveyard? What if all you wanted was some Orange Crush or some 7-Up, etc.? Nope. It's all Graveyard, now. You can't get the individual components -just the combination of all of them. That's where the difference is. That old, landrace weed really was unique and it was consistently-unique...It was recognizable. Each type was very individualized. They were their own flavor. The reason why we lost those unique tastes is because they all just got jumbled together into another version of the Graveyard.

All those strains you mentioned aren't wild to say that is doing the people who put the work in a disservice no offence but many make the mistake of thinking landraces are more wild than they truly are man has been working with it a very long time especially ganja strains the Indians knew about how to make it sensi for thousands of years for example and many places kept and maintained stuff through the "elephant seed method" from the best plants for ages gradually improving it I agree with you on that there is no substitute for import from these places though bud I miss import weed like that

 

[bignugs68]

Ya know, according to them scientists - like Bugbee, there isn't really a sativa/indica. Like on paper there no way to chart or any data that has shown "yep the old boys were right sativa is the cerebral buzz and indica is the body buzz that's less energizing".

I've researched the hell out of it and still do on occasion, but have yet to find any data proving one or the other. Case in point for me is for the longest time I thought Northern Lights was a sativa, because it always gave me some energy and curiosity with the high. Yet it's indica