F3 Valley Ice. (Matanuska x SFV OG)

[Farmer's Hat]

Wassup fellas. After a long hiatus, I am continuing my breeding project. I created the F1 hybrid in 2015, outdoors in a greenhouse. F2 and F3 were bred indoors over the course of 7 years. I will be making F4 seeds in a greenhouse this year.

I will also be creating a few F1 hybrids with other strains. I am currently going through the elimination process. I will update the thread whenever necessary.

A little info about me. 15+ years growing and making my own seeds.
A big moment for me took place in 2014 and 2015. I was part of a big start up in Washington State. I relocated from California with my enormous seed collection. I grew dozens of strains and created even more hybrids in a legal tier 2 operation. It was an amazing experience to grow out over 4 thousand plants from seed. It was a ridiculous amount of work and very informative in regards to testing phenotypes. Lol

I exited the industry to pursue other ventures. Needless to say, I am excited to continue my breeding experiments. It is without a doubt a passion of mine.

Cheers
Farmer's Hat

Ps. What is your go to for quality non feminized seeds?

 

[Farmer's Hat]

These ladies are a little behind schedule. I should have put them under some lights last month. The weather out here has been cool.

 

[FmSwayze]

This should be good! Subbed

 

[TheWholeTruth]

Wassup fellas. After a long hiatus, I am continuing my breeding project. I created the F1 hybrid in 2015, outdoors in a greenhouse. F2 and F3 were bred indoors over the course of 7 years. I will be making F4 seeds in a greenhouse this year.

I will also be creating a few F1 hybrids with other strains. I am currently going through the elimination process. I will update the thread whenever necessary.

A little info about me. 15+ years growing and making my own seeds.
A big moment for me took place in 2014 and 2015. I was part of a big start up in Washington State. I relocated from California with my enormous seed collection. I grew dozens of strains and created even more hybrids in a legal tier 2 operation. It was an amazing experience to grow out over 4 thousand plants from seed. It was a ridiculous amount of work and very informative in regards to testing phenotypes. Lol

I exited the industry to pursue other ventures. Needless to say, I am excited to continue my breeding experiments. It is without a doubt a passion of mine.

Cheers
Farmer's Hat

Ps. What is your go to for quality non feminized seeds?

Did you ever test your f1 seeds vs yourf3- f4 of the same strain. What were your parents used to make the f1. Also how comes you took your hybrid to f3-f4 ? Thanks
If you used a mtf clone and the sfv og clone most of your seeds should of been quite uniform.

 

[Tolerance Break]

I want to give advice on where to get seeds, but frankly I feel like you're probably more of an expert on the matter than I...

I can vouche for Dynasty Genetics, Bohdi, and AKBeanBrains. All available at JBC, and AKBB can be reached through email [email protected]. He's recovering from cancer treatment, so he may be slow to respond, but he has some all time great classic lines from the 80s, 90s, and 00s along with some stuff he's cooked up.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Did you ever test your f1 seeds vs yourf3- f4 of the same strain. What were your parents used to make the f1. Also how comes you took your hybrid to f3-f4 ? Thanks
If you used a mtf clone and the sfv og clone most of your seeds should of been quite uniform.

The mtf was a clone, the sfv og were seeds from a breeder in SFV, CA. I use to live in the LBC. I tested all of the f1 seeds and saw a decent amount of variation. I selected the best traits and bred them into the current f3. I am making F4 seeds because I plan to hybridize the current f3 strain and create an F1, that I will cross back into the F4 to introduce some vigor. Its just a complex way of saying that I am planning to disrupt all the inbreeding ive done in order to stabilize the selected traits of this strain.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

I want to give advice on where to get seeds, but frankly I feel like you're probably more of an expert on the matter than I...

I can vouche for Dynasty Genetics, Bohdi, and AKBeanBrains. All available at JBC, and AKBB can be reached through email [email protected]. He's recovering from cancer treatment, so he may be slow to respond, but he has some all time great classic lines from the 80s, 90s, and 00s along with some stuff he's cooked up.

Thanks. I will look into it. Im after some classic Early Skunk genetics and Super Silver haze. The structure of the flowers of the silver haze has performed well in the pnw. Humidity is an issue out here. I made a hybrid a few years ago but never continued the project. The seeds are not viable anymore because I didn't store them properly. Oh well

 

[Tolerance Break]

Thanks. I will look into it. Im after some classic Early Skunk genetics and Super Silver haze. The structure of the flowers of the silver haze has performed well in the pnw. Humidity is an issue out here. I made a hybrid a few years ago but never continued the project. The seeds are not viable anymore because I didn't store them properly. Oh well

Professor P from Dynasty/relic has some SSH bx https://www.jbcseeds.com/product/relic-super-silver-haze-98-htcc-winner-bx1/

There's also a community SSH grow journal here, I'm sure someone there could help https://www.rollitup.org/t/super-silver-haze-community-journal.1095311/

As for Skunk, I'm a bit out of the loop. Shoreline seems to be a go too for worked Skunk. Authentic Genetics has a Skunk 1 IBL sourced from Sam, but it's not the acrid stuff. Heard mixed things, so take that as you will.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Here is another quick update. A got a 40/60 female to male ratio. Its not great, but it will do for now. One of the females is a strain called Champagne. I acquired the seeds from a breeder in Bellingham, WA.

I keep all the plants in 1 gallon pots until I can sex them. It saves a lot of time and resources. I top all of the ladies when I transplant them into the beds, and strip all the growth under the 3rd node. I will take clones from the 4th and 5th node, in about 2 weeks.
I was planning on force flowering everything but I think I will have to let them grow natural. The Valley Ice can finish properly in a greenhouse without any major mold issues. It is resilient and well adapted to this PNW climate. Unfortunately the ladies are a little behind schedule because the weather hasn't been great this year. Live and learn. Next year I am going to have much larger plants because I will start everything earlier and under lights. I might also expand the bed and double it in size.

Regarding the pollinators
I have selected three males with three distinct traits. One male has all the traits ive been working on stabilizing, such as beautiful sharp leaf structure, compact, and super resinous stalk. The second male has more common hybrid traits that will be a good match for the Champagne. The third male has uncanny haze like traits. Long internodes, thin sharp leaves, etc. (I will post some pictures of the males some other time.) For cross pollination, I will be using the sandwich bag method. Place pollen in the bag, wrap it around one the lower larf flowers, shake it, and leave it on the plant for 2 days. The humidity will destroy all the extra pollen in the bag and it will no longer be viable. I will be crossing all three of the selected males with every lady. I should end up with a few hundred seeds for next years project.

Cheers

 

[Farmer's Hat]

These ladies are starting to fill up nicely. I took a few cuttings yesterday, and will be vegging the cuttings for a few months. The plan is to keep a Valley Ice mother with the best flowers traits. I will take clones from the mother and make several hundreds of seeds, pollinating with the F1 (Champagne x Valley Ice) males. I will be selecting males that are exhibiting more of the Valley Ice traits. This line will be separated from the original Valley Ice lineage for a few generations. Them crossed back into the original Valley Ice lineage.

Attached are some pictures of the ladies and my long term Valley Ice breeding project.

Cheers

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Here are some updated pics of the ladies. 8 in total. I put up the scrog net 2 weeks ago. Ive been topping and bending them whenever possible. I think they are filling up nicely. I plan to put up a second net once they start flowering in early September.

Cheers
Farmer's Hat

 

[Farmer's Hat]

5 days of growth since last pic. The girls are filling up! Ive practically ran out of net space. Its time to let them grow upwards. I will place the second net in 2-3 weeks.

I caught 2 caterpillars today. Those chubby little bastards...

Ps. On this thread, the strain I have referred to as champagne is actually called Brandywine! I somehow got the name mixed up.

 

[conor c]

5 days of growth since last pic. The girls are filling up! Ive practically ran out of net space. Its time to let them grow upwards. I will place the second net in 2-3 weeks.

I caught 2 caterpillars today. Those chubby little bastards...

Ps. On this thread, the strain I have referred to as champagne is actually called Brandywine! I somehow got the name mixed up.

I did wonder as it's a clone only(champagne) as for genetics damn so many folks put out good stuff honestly just go with those with the passion for it and avoid over priced hype there's lots of good smaller boutique breeders all over the world it really depends more what your after that should narrow it down for early skunk genes I assume you mean vintage rather than flowering time? If so check out skunk special femaleseedsholland or kwikseeds has a 90s version of it available as well also just be warned its not the most stable sex wise but its definitely older gen skunk1 takes longer in bloom than modern ones and yields way more Ime as well tbh Kwik seeds is a good source for land races and older heirlooms in general and there reliable too

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Different methods for securing the branches down. Fan leaves are a good way to start them off.

All in all the ladies are looking very happy. I wish I could say the same about the males, but they always get neglected. No special treatment for the males, they remain in 1gl pots until the pollen starts falling. One of the males has a nice cluster of sacks already. Incidentally that male also has the most compact structure. It should produce some beautiful offspring.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Looks like these girls are almost ready to start flowering. I spotted what might be a purple pheno.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

As promised, here are pictures of the three males. All three have very different and distinct traits. Ive decided to take clones of the males and set up a small indoor area for quicker breeding. As much as I love growing outdoors, it really slows down the whole process. I am personally interested in testing my strains outdoors because it gives me a better understanding of their genetic limitations.

Male #1 a sativa dominant phenotype. Flowering later than the other two males. The structure of this plant is very haze like. Long internodes and not very good at branching. Excessive topping would be required to increase yield with this one.



Male #2 has more balanced hybrid traits. Nonetheless it stood out among the other common Joe's because of its glistening resinous stalk and terpene profile.


Male #3 is a stud. It checked off all the boxes. Flowering early, beautiful cluster of flowers, and an excellent compact plant structure. I would say that this one inherited most of the MTF traits. The terpenes lean heavy towards fruity.


The females are not as mature as the males, because they are in different environments. The males are at the top of the hill where they get direct sunlight from sunrise to sunset. The females are in the greenhouse and they lose a few hours of sunlight because of the surrounding Douglas Fir trees. Having said all this, I will have to store the pollen for a few weeks. I want seeds from the girls in the greenhouse because the offspring's chances of adapting to the PNW climate will increase.

In theory, breeding in a tough environment should produce tough offspring. Breeding indoors in a controlled climate tends to produces sensitive plants, in my opinion.

Nature is all about survival of the fittest.
Cheers

 

[Farmer's Hat]

Male #1: Definitely purple pheno.

 

[Farmer's Hat]

This sativa dominant girl has a delicious pineapple scent. The stems are sticky sticky
I can wait to see how those flowers turn out.


Looks like the purple male will start dropping pollen this week.


Ps. I decided to scrap male #2. It failed to keep me interested.

 

[conor c]

As promised, here are pictures of the three males. All three have very different and distinct traits. Ive decided to take clones of the males and set up a small indoor area for quicker breeding. As much as I love growing outdoors, it really slows down the whole process. I am personally interested in testing my strains outdoors because it gives me a better understanding of their genetic limitations.

Male #1 a sativa dominant phenotype. Flowering later than the other two males. The structure of this plant is very haze like. Long internodes and not very good at branching. Excessive topping would be required to increase yield with this one.
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Male #2 has more balanced hybrid traits. Nonetheless it stood out among the other common Joe's because of its glistening resinous stalk and terpene profile.
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Male #3 is a stud. It checked off all the boxes. Flowering early, beautiful cluster of flowers, and an excellent compact plant structure. I would say that this one inherited most of the MTF traits. The terpenes lean heavy towards fruity.
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The females are not as mature as the males, because they are in different environments. The males are at the top of the hill where they get direct sunlight from sunrise to sunset. The females are in the greenhouse and they lose a few hours of sunlight because of the surrounding Douglas Fir trees. Having said all this, I will have to store the pollen for a few weeks. I want seeds from the girls in the greenhouse because the offspring's chances of adapting to the PNW climate will increase.

In theory, breeding in a tough environment should produce tough offspring. Breeding indoors in a controlled climate tends to produces sensitive plants, in my opinion.

Nature is all about survival of the fittest.
Cheers

I like the third one and I agree alot of indoor only stuff turns wimpy Vs stuff maintained outside and in for sure

 

[Nizza]

Have you heard of reversing males to help identify their female characteristics? Cool project!