thumper60
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I have not mixed it with anything other than water I would never use anything with oil on budding plants. But the zerotol is great stuff I never heard of it till last yr from mandocat no more buying cases of 3% peroxide.
Septoria Resistant Strains
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DCcan
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Zerotol 2 is 27%, the Zerotol HC is 5%. (Hemp Cannabis)
I'm guessing it's watered down for consumer use vs commercial use.
thumper60
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I hear you I just think septoria is a lot more widespread where you are Here it can be controlled easy with early prevention most people dont even see it until its all over a plant I can see one little spot a mile away because I have lost whole outdoor plots to it over the yrs.
thumper60
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Yes I use the 2, 2 oz per gal of water. Its also a great cleaner for grow rooms- Green houses.
keup.taylor
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thanks for the reply... I'm up cornish way..... I have never worked with zerotol, but I wonder, is that why most of the dispensary flower always has that similar wanky smell and taste compared to my fresh outdoor...seems to me anyway.....
Hearty septoria resistance genetics with a small amount of veg spraying would be my preference.
thumper60
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I dont think your gonna find resistance strains because it all depends on the weather dry yrs like this yr you might not see any an think wow i got the strain that kickass on leaf spot, then next yr we get a wet cloudy summer an that same strain dies from it, This is why preventive spraying is the way to go wet or dry getting to the finish line what matters. Are you seeing leafspot now because its been a pretty dry summer, Iam not far from you an seeing nothing at this point. An by the way all dispensary bud sucks an its not from using zerotol.
I believe septoria has only become an issue within the last 10 or so years here. I've known growers, (they were all outdoor growers), in this area for 45 years and don't recall seeing any kind of defoliation like this. Until 5 years ago when I experienced my first problems. Our summer humidity levels are higher than they use to be and I think that is part of the problem. I have heard people from other regions say the same thing. Mean Gene said he has never seen septoria in Humboldt, that place is generally very dry all summer, with dewpoints in the 40s.
thumper60
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Its always been around here back in the 90s when we grew in the swamps the alders were covered in it, It took a couple yrs of getting killed with it before we figured out what the hell it was Like you the rh around the globe has increased big time the last decade, I never ever seen pm until the early 2000s thats after growing in bogs for a decade now every yr i need to stay on top of it or it takes over.
keup.taylor
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yeah, I'm am seeing differing levels of problems for different plants.... in last few weeks, debbie kinda got the septoria going that was pretty dormant, but definitely around on the dark, low spots on some strains...first ones to show it are my biggest problems now, as is always the case. I larf, lollipop, and lots of lst to give each branch it space, done early after 5-6 tops.......and sometimes it has f'ed me when september weather sucks and the septoria starts working into flower leaves....I used to spray acv and h202, but ahhhh, that seemed to help more knock down PM, which hasn;t been a problem a number of years now.
WHy does most dispo stuff always suck? literally bothers my sinuses and always has some wanker taste...like multi dispos, same shwag that looks good, but tumbled,rocky, and dry....like don;t think you are gonna press a dispo 1/8 and be like, jammin sweet number from that, more like open the car window and deposit 2 - 20's in the roadside ditch.
There's endless wet spots in western maine, like low, swampy spot between hills that never really dry out, like micro climates in those pockets... a good friend has a swampy spot right below his grow area. I used to grow with him back in 2016-2018 there and we never once had septoria problems..now, he struggles more than I do and I'm on a hill south of him with better wind, but also a wet, swampy spring area about 50 years below the garden..... what can you do, eh! I really do my best to keep grass mowed around my 8, 4 cubic yard dug holes (essentially 800 gallon pots), and the weeds cut on the stone wall and such....just get the area as dry as possible as early in the day as possible... that's been the strategy this year... looks like there will be minimal rain and leaf wetting this week in western maine, so the plants will likely not keep pushing the septoria around and up....good.
keup.taylor
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yes, septoria has really only become an issue in the last 5 years around me.... thanks for the salvisa pics....seeing that you are in OK, that's quite a different place than maine..... when did salvisa start flowering and harvest in your area?....kinda of an important question before I grab some of those beans....if it doesn;t turn until 8/20 and finshes 11/1.... some ski areas are open up here then. Is it indica or sativa leaning, or, couchy or heady and go stack some wood effects?
keup.taylor
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I have seen PM problems arise when the RH is low, not higher like now. Your swamp growing was too wet for PM, but odd, I don;t see much the last few years and the general RH has been higher.... although, it was dry 2 summers ago when those moths raised hell and I don;t recall having to fight PM that summer.....who knows... I'm on a hill now which gets morning sun and good air flow, so mornings dry out quicker than lots of spots.
One thing I noticed with a friend last summer was ...her plants within a stones throw from the woods went bad quick with septoria. The ones she had in the field a frisbee throw away were fine and got to thrive in that 10 days of sun last early october..... those girls ripened up sweet for her but the others were trashed by the end of september....same genetics.
alphapinene
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Northern NY here…currently running Peyote Cookies, Pineapple Chunk, Moonshine Ghost Train Haze, Cannatonic, and Charlottes Web. All plants are affected BUT the Pineapple Chunk (one lesion), the Cannatonic got hit the worst. One of my MGTH is barely affected as well..The septoria spread throughout but the lesions are still very small, hopefully we get drier weather to suppress it.
keup.taylor
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hope for a good month.... you will eventually need to larf that out...some would argue you have to do it now, which I agree with.... yes, if we get the right weather that might not get much worse, but I know northern NY better than western maine.... you folks have similar weather problems....maybe worse this year cause you just got totally saturated by debbie and maine did not..... good luck and pray to the golf gods who smoke pot for good fall weather....I grew peyote cookies a few years ago with some septoria problems, but so many strains are in the same boat..... I know there is pessimism here about finding septoria resistant genetics, but I think will happen when the right people get their heads into it. Thanks for posting pics... plants look healthy, darn it, eh! SOmeone needs to figure out if salvisa and beshear run good in the northeast.... and what are their profiles... a pheno hunted OG called Bickett and The Work?
keup.taylor
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harvest date for you in OK?
I have a friend that grows in an open field and he never has septoria and I am in the middle of woods.
I'm at 36 degrees lat. and stuff starts flowering here earlier than up north, mid July to early August is when stuff starts, generally. I harvested Salvisa in late September last year. It leans a little more to the sativa side and is respectably potent and produces well. Looking at my pollen stash and trying to figure out what to cross it with. Its about $50 a pack, about 15 seeds in my pack.
I grew The Work outdoors 2 years and thanks to the drought that summer there was no septoria. Those were really special plants that got huge and were very potent. I have 2 of them , F2s, out this year and they are also doing very well against the septoria. They have the strongest aromas in the garden right now.
keup.taylor
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looks like you can't get the work f2's right now, but salvisa and beshear is available. Any advantage to beshear over salvisa? Thanks for your input. ANyone selling salvisa pollen?
LYME RISING FARMS – THE WORK F2 – Darkstar Seedbank
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