Folding sugar leaves. Need some opinions

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priestriver

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Blue Dream Fem. Day 90 since seedling. Start week 7 of flower. Fox Farm soil and 3 Fox Farm nutes.
I see these sugar leaves folding down.
Not sure if the folding sugar leaves are a problem or a normal sign of getting done soon (week or 2). The fan leaves are straight out and look healthy (small nite burn from awhile ago).

Anyone have an ideas about the folding sugar leaves? Thank you!!
 

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Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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My 2¢ -

Nitrogen excess as stated . Basically a “ claw “ symptom common with over use of nitrogen. You should be on a bloom specific feed ( less nitrogen ) . Also , plants do not follow a “ feed schedule “ especially in soil. It needs time to run thru the last application , which can lead to overfeed situations as too much builds up.

I understand the “ spreadsheet “ but its a plant.
Literally a plant in dirt. Totally unnecessary.

The Fox Farm Trio set is a highly concentrated from bottle. Too easy to apply too much. Fox Farm’s feed schedule is also way heavy handed - too many products for one plant.

Ease off feed for a bit - allow plant to burn thru excess on its on terms. Plant will be fine , it needs to work through all of that unnecessary overfeed.

Big Bloom is the only organic part of the 3 - it has nothing to do with “ bloom “ - it is a supplement for the microbial life in the soil. Tiger bloom is the main bloom nute and should be that only since it is already getting too much nitrogen.

Always remember less is more
 
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priestriver

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Budzbuddha said:
My 2¢ -

Nitrogen excess as stated . Basically a “ claw “ symptom common with over use of nitrogen. You should be on a bloom specific feed ( less nitrogen ) . Also , plants do not follow a “ feed schedule “ especially in soil. It needs time to run thru the last application , which can lead to overfeed situations as too much builds up.

I understand the “ spreadsheet “ but its a plant.
Literally a plant in dirt. Totally unnecessary.

The Fox Farm Trio set is a highly concentrated from bottle. Too easy to apply too much. Fox Farm’s feed schedule is also way heavy handed - too many products for one plant.

Ease off feed for a bit - allow plant to burn thru excess on its on terms. Plant will be fine , it needs to work through all of that unnecessary overfeed.

Big Bloom is the only organic part of the 3 - it has nothing to do with “ bloom “ - it is a supplement for the microbial life in the soil. Tiger bloom is the main bloom nute and should be that only since it is already getting too much nitrogen.

Always remember less is more
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This was very helpful. Thank you. I am in my 3rd year of growing so still experimenting. I have had good luck with FF at about 1/3 their schedule used every other watering, (about twice a week). About 10 days ago I decided to see if I'd get more bud if I upped the dosage. Now I know :).
Going to try Boomerang? I have some but never used it. Wonder if it would speed up recovery? Would you expect those folding in leaves to bounce back to a normal look?
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Next time simplify your soil grows - No bottles.

Find a good 2 part dry fertilizer - veg and bloom.
Thats all you need. That Fox Farm soil alone would feed your plant for weeks on water ( nothing else ).

I run Fox farm soil ten ways to sunday and am telling you this as a fellow grower - always let the medium ( soil ) do the feeding upfront - then supplement over the course of grow with a few tablespoons of dry fertilizer as needed.

Seriously.

Its a plant , no complicated feeding required. No wasting money on multi-bottle products. Think about it , what plant needs 20 bottles of this and that to grow ?
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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priestriver said:
This was very helpful. Thank you. I am in my 3rd year of growing so still experimenting. I have had good luck with FF at about 1/3 their schedule used every other watering, (about twice a week). About 10 days ago I decided to see if I'd get more bud if I upped the dosage. Now I know :).
Going to try Boomerang? I have some but never used it. Wonder if it would speed up recovery? Would you expect those folding in leaves to bounce back to a normal look?
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No …. Stop adding more things.

Just stop and let plant run through all of that overfeed
 
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priestriver

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Budzbuddha said:
Next time simplify your soil grows - No bottles.

Find a good 2 part dry fertilizer - veg and bloom.
Thats all you need. That Fox Farm soil alone would feed your plant for weeks on water ( nothing else ).

I run Fox farm soil ten ways to sunday and am telling you this as a fellow grower - always let the medium ( soil ) do the feeding upfront - then supplement over the course of grow with a few tablespoons of dry fertilizer as needed.

Seriously.

Its a plant , no complicated feeding required. No wasting money on multi-bottle products. Think about it , what plant needs 20 bottles of this and that to grow ?
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No bottles going forward... that would be great!!
 
BadOldBeans

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If I were to see that in my plants, I would just go to straight ph'd water for a few waterings then ease up on all nutes going forward at the stage your plants are. They respond pretty quick, and the more you grow, the more you'll learn to "listen" to what the plants need. Just my .02c. Now you know a little more about what too much can do. Good lookin plant btw.
 
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priestriver

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BadOldBeans said:
If I were to see that in my plants, I would just go to straight ph'd water for a few waterings then ease up on all nutes going forward at the stage your plants are. They respond pretty quick, and the more you grow, the more you'll learn to "listen" to what the plants need. Just my .02c. Now you know a little more about what too much can do. Good lookin plant btw.
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Thank you. Good advice. Especially "listening" to the plants. 8)
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Something as easy as this ….

one for veg - one for bloom.

( Photoperiod plants )
I use up to 2 tablespoons ( 2-3 gallon grow container size ) of VEG for veg stage all the way to 2 weeks after flip ….. reason being it will utilize that slight bump in higher nitrogen for stretch phase when plant transitions to bloom stage. Plant is still rooting and setting up final structure.

Then …. Around week 3 (ish) after flip plant will be setting up budsites / etc. Plant is now concentrating on forming flowers and will be ready to start feeding the bloom fertilizer. Same amounts - couple of tablespoons- scratched ( worked ) into topsoil and simply watered.

If running larger containers ( 5 gallon or so ) you would add 4 tablespoons ( + or - ) . However 5 gallons of Fox Farm soil in that container will still do a lot of feeding alone before needing to be supplemented with fertilizer. It also varies according to strain as some are feed hogs.

Most Municipal ( city ) water is fine to use and has calcium / magnesium in it. So does your fox farm soil and fertilizer choice - so cal mag may not be necessary. Tap water is fine - too many people overthink its use in a indoor garden.

You use it outside on grass and plants - they dont care . No special water necessary. Fox farm soil is prebuffered- No ph adjusting needed.

Treat it like a houseplant. No measuring nute amounts of this and that , no guessing what went wrong , no wasting money on bottles of nonsense.

As a matter of fact - if you want something even simpler - top dress each container with a few cups of fresh Fox Farms during its grow cycle and water that in.
That’s it !

You are “ recharging “ the soil with something it has already acclimated to ( no potential overfeed ! ) - that fresh soil infusion recharges the buffering and replenishes what the plant already used - all without ANY outside fertilizer or bottles.

Too many growers fall prey to nute companies selling entire lines of bottles / supplements - its a money grab.

Autoflower feeding can be done from start to finish on that soil topdressing method .

GL
 

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priestriver

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Budzbuddha said:
Something as easy as this ….

one for veg - one for bloom.

( Photoperiod plants )
I use up to 2 tablespoons ( 2-3 gallon grow container size ) of VEG for veg stage all the way to 2 weeks after flip ….. reason being it will utilize that slight bump in higher nitrogen for stretch phase when plant transitions to bloom stage. Plant is still rooting and setting up final structure.

Then …. Around week 3 (ish) after flip plant will be setting up budsites / etc. Plant is now concentrating on forming flowers and will be ready to start feeding the bloom fertilizer. Same amounts - couple of tablespoons- scratched ( worked ) into topsoil and simply watered.

If running larger containers ( 5 gallon or so ) you would add 4 tablespoons ( + or - ) . However 5 gallons of Fox Farm soil in that container will still do a lot of feeding alone before needing to be supplemented with fertilizer. It also varies according to strain as some are feed hogs.

Most Municipal ( city ) water is fine to use and has calcium / magnesium in it. So does your fox farm soil and fertilizer choice - so cal mag may not be necessary. Tap water is fine - too many people overthink its use in a indoor garden.

You use it outside on grass and plants - they dont care . No special water necessary. Fox farm soil is prebuffered- No ph adjusting needed.

Treat it like a houseplant. No measuring nute amounts of this and that , no guessing what went wrong , no wasting money on bottles of nonsense.

As a matter of fact - if you want something even simpler - top dress each container with a few cups of fresh Fox Farms during its grow cycle and water that in.
That’s it !

You are “ recharging “ the soil with something it has already acclimated to ( no potential overfeed ! ) - that fresh soil infusion recharges the buffering and replenishes what the plant already used - all without ANY outside fertilizer or bottles.

Too many growers fall prey to nute companies selling entire lines of bottles / supplements - its a money grab.

Autoflower feeding can be done from start to finish on that soil topdressing method .

GL
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Budzbuddha said:
Lets us know how things pan out … GL bongsmilie
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I will let you know. The info you provided is very much appreciated.
 
FmSwayze

FmSwayze

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Yeah your killing it. I will be using dr earth, my tribus just come in today. I hope to create a happy healthy root zone like yours.
 
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