First Grow

Fatjoe

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I'm seeing N bleeding out. It starts low and spreads up. New growth grows kinda slow n funky. I think she's hungry. A shot of Epsom salts 1/4-1/2tsp a gal is a good start.
I use Jack's products w calcium nitrate, and Epsom in peat. Tap water outta the sink. Feed the same amount from seedling to harvest.
If it needs water it gets Jack's. I meter nothing. Just measure, dump, stir, n water same thing every time. Simple easy grow.
 

Fatjoe

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Use the weight of the pot to know when to water. Heavy pot after watering...good..light pot...it needs water.
 

caexx

Member
So I wanna say that I agree with Joe. Upon closer inspection of your plants I started to see some color change in the bottom leaves which is a pretty big indicator that your plant is robbing mobile nutrients from your bottom leaves to feed the top of your canopy. This will occur normally throughout your plants life but is a bit uncommon this early. You need to remedy this issue before flower or you gonna run into some big problems.
 

heydiddlydoo

Active Member
Hi their neighbors @caexx @Fatjoe @Heinzel Bronson. First, I want to give a token of my thanks for all your advice. I placed an order for Dr. Earth Flower Girl a few days ago, and it still hasn't shipped. I see Fox Farm has a 16oz trio of fertilizer for sale for $35.99 before shipping through Amazon. I may just order that. I have been researching making compost tea, as well.

- Watched the video shared by @Heinzel Bronson , I indeed overwatered it. According to the video, I am over watered. I stuck my finger in each pot and its very moist.

Based on the video shared:
- Stem droop+ leaves droop = over water
- Stem no droop + leaves droop = under-water



- Purchased some Epsom salt this evening after the gym.
- I removed 1 inch of top soil off my pots
- I added fresh top soil 2.5 inches of new organic soil I had laying around, and hand worked 1/4 table spoon of Epsom salt into the soil and mixed it per pot.
- I also added 1tblspoon of Epsom salt to my holding tank (approx 1.5 gallons in there), so when I re-add my water lines to the pots it can supplement a tiny bit of Epsom salt in the water mixture. I could not get my hands on calcium supplement because the garden center was closed. I also added a little of Dr. Earths 2-2-2 all purpose fertilizer in with the new top soil. Everything is moist, so I will not water for 1-2 days and keep monitoring the situation.

If I can get the plant back on track, I will veg for one more week, before flowering is switched on.


Here is a photo of today before I did anything:

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Got a bag of this: apparently people like growing a lot, cause the 3 lb bags were sold out; or they like baths... idk. lol

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next, here is the most recent photo I have, 1 hour after the salt+top soil treatment+2-2-2 feed
 

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caexx

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Hi their neighbors @caexx @Fatjoe @Heinzel Bronson. First, I want to give a token of my thanks for all your advice. I placed an order for Dr. Earth Flower Girl a few days ago, and it still hasn't shipped. I see Fox Farm has a 16oz trio of fertilizer for sale for $35.99 before shipping through Amazon. I may just order that. I have been researching making compost tea, as well.

- Watched the video shared by @Heinzel Bronson , I indeed overwatered it. According to the video, I am over watered. I stuck my finger in each pot and its very moist.

Based on the video shared:
- Stem droop+ leaves droop = over water
- Stem no droop + leaves droop = under-water



- Purchased some Epsom salt this evening after the gym.
- I removed 1 inch of top soil off my pots
- I added fresh top soil 2.5 inches of new organic soil I had laying around, and hand worked 1/4 table spoon of Epsom salt into the soil and mixed it per pot.
- I also added 1tblspoon of Epsom salt to my holding tank (approx 1.5 gallons in there), so when I re-add my water lines to the pots it can supplement a tiny bit of Epsom salt in the water mixture. I could not get my hands on calcium supplement because the garden center was closed. I also added a little of Dr. Earths 2-2-2 all purpose fertilizer in with the new top soil. Everything is moist, so I will not water for 1-2 days and keep monitoring the situation.

If I can get the plant back on track, I will veg for one more week, before flowering is switched on.


Here is a photo of today before I did anything:

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Got a bag of this: apparently people like growing a lot, cause the 3 lb bags were sold out; or they like baths... idk. lol

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next, here is the most recent photo I have, 1 hour after the salt+top soil treatment+2-2-2 feed
Your plants are looking way better than they were. But yeah.. those bottom leaves are really picking up some bad signs. However I don't agree with heinzel. If you were overwatering you'd be getting a ton of runoff and your medium wouldn't be moist it would be soaked. I have 15 gallon grow bags and I would water less than 10 percent (which is less than the 10 percent recommended dosage) and still get run off at 1 gallon per fabric bag. Granted you have smaller pots but even then It doesn't seem like you giving too much water.. have you calculated water usage per pot?
 
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oHIGHo™

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Do you have ac in the room and a fire extinguisher? Fire balls?
I know you posted this a while back but I have to ask....are tent fires a major concern? Even with led light only? I do have an extinguisher nearby but I've always had one, I did not get it for my tent......This was not something I had considered? Should I be worried?
 

Fatjoe

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Nice recovery. The one on the right is the posture you seek. The other will follow soon. If they don't look like that something is wrong. Usually just a simple tweak.

A few grows or so and you will be able to read the plant. Your doing great. Many buds in your future.
 
Your plants are looking way better than they were. But yeah.. those bottom leaves are really picking up some bad signs. However I don't agree with heinzel. If you were overwatering you'd be getting a ton of runoff and your medium wouldn't be moist it would be soaked. I have 15 gallon grow bags and I would water less than 10 percent (which is less than the 10 percent recommended dosage) and still get run off at 1 gallon per fabric bag. Granted you have smaller pots but even then It doesn't seem like you giving too much water.. have you calculated water usage per pot?
when is not overwatered then is it maybe dryspots in the soil...when you water you must water 1/3 of potsize with 10% drain...and wait when the pot is light then water again! in german forums they say often it comes from false watering (to oftern and not 1/3 of pot) then you should dive the pots in water for 15min let the drain flush out...then the dryspots they maybe in soil go away! but caexx say is no overwatering or false watering!

then it is (the yellow leafes, dark green color, leaves hang like the pictures before) 2 much nutrients ?? or both overwatering, dryspots in soil, nutrients idk, with false water ph and ec! it can be everythink! and the plant look 4 me worser then the pictures before...
idk why fat joe say nice recover when she looks not better? but iam a beginner to growin...for me the same like before ,but have now yellow leafs, and hanging leafes again...


this video show dive the plant ( in german forum they say ever 35% is false watering go dive and i see often plants in the threads they was better after diving. other 35% will say the soil is 2 wet! other 25% would say calmag differences , or natrium ,phosphor. or 2 much natrium ,phosphor, 5% will say plant is perfekt, good) thats the problem as a beginner: can be a mobile nutrient diffrence like caexx say idk.
 
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caexx

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when is not overwatered then is it maybe dryspots in the soil...when you water you must water 1/3 of potsize with 10% drain...and wait when the pot is light then water again! in german forums they say often it comes from false watering (to oftern and not 1/3 of pot) then you should dive the pots in water for 15min let the drain flush out...then the dryspots they maybe in soil go away! but caexx say is no overwatering or false watering!

then it is (the yellow leafes, dark green color, leaves hang like the pictures before) 2 much nutrients ?? or both overwatering, dryspots in soil, nutrients idk, with false water ph and ec! it can be everythink! and the plant look 4 me worser then the pictures before...
idk why fat joe say nice recover when she looks not better? but iam a beginner to growin...for me the same like before ,but have now yellow leafs, and hanging leafes again...


this video show dive the plant ( in german forum they say ever 35% is false watering go dive and i see often plants in the threads they was better after diving. other 35% will say the soil is 2 wet! other 25% would say calmag differences , or natrium ,phosphor. or 2 much natrium ,phosphor, 5% will say plant is perfekt, good) thats the problem as a beginner:
Listen buddy. Do you know what 1/3 of a 15 gallon fabric pot is? 5 gallons. If I put 5 gallons in a fabric pot that I'm only supposed to water with 1.5 gallons you know what's gonna happen? My plants are gonna die due to dampening off AND I'm literally gonna be washing the medium of all nutes cause I'm gonna have so much run off my tent would be swamp land. Before you come around throwing advice like that I would recommend doing a bit more research.
 

caexx

Member
I know you posted this a while back but I have to ask....are tent fires a major concern? Even with led light only? I do have an extinguisher nearby but I've always had one, I did not get it for my tent......This was not something I had considered? Should I be worried?
They're on the uncommon side but they do happen. Remember that lights typically aren't the only thing in your tent (if you have a really nice setup) and the environment is typically humid. Can it happen? Yes. Will it? I wouldn't want to be that guy who thought it couldn't and lost my home because of it.
 
They're on the uncommon side but they do happen. Remember that lights typically aren't the only thing in your tent (if you have a really nice setup) and the environment is typically humid. Can it happen? Yes. Will it? I wouldn't want to be that guy who thought it couldn't and lost my home because of it.
 
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Listen buddy. Do you know what 1/3 of a 15 gallon fabric pot is? 5 gallons. If I put 5 gallons in a fabric pot that I'm only supposed to water with 1.5 gallons you know what's gonna happen? My plants are gonna die due to dampening off AND I'm literally gonna be washing the medium of all nutes cause I'm gonna have so much run off my tent would be swamp land. Before you come around throwing advice like that I would recommend doing a bit more research.
First...how do I do it right?

Water so much that a little water runs out of the bottom of the pot every time you water it (drain).

Water evenly so that the whole surface is evenly covered with water.

After watering, lift the pot to see how heavy it is.

Then wait until it has become noticeably lighter (at least half) and only then water again.

A rough guideline for the amount of water to water is about 1/3 of the volume of soil, i.e. 2.5 - 3 liters of water should fit into 9 liters of soil per watering before water running off can be seen at the bottom of the pot.

So that the soil can absorb enough water, it should be compacted a little by hand when potting, especially the bottom third. You can tell that you have potted it correctly when 1/3 of the volume of water fits in the pot before it drains.

When potting or repotting, always water thoroughly and then determine the starting weight. "Watering thoroughly" specifically means: letting the soil soak up and saturate with water so that there are no dry spots in the soil. Dry soil cannot be accessed by the roots.

Good day, dear forum members. :-)

After I discovered that the most common mistake (even before over-fertilizing) in plant care is incorrect watering, this calls for a short guide that can be linked in such cases.

There are several watering methods that work and I will only describe one that has proven itself in practice and is easy to follow even for beginners. This can be practiced from the moment the seedlings are born. It should be noted that freshly germinated plants
need a correspondingly longer time to use up the water from the first watering due to a lack of root mass.

One week to 10 days is not uncommon here.

But first, let's look at the possible symptoms that plants show when they are watered incorrectly. A very common type of damage is...

1. Over-fertilization.

The tips of the leaves turn yellow or the middle/upper leaves show yellowish discoloration, which increases from the inside to the outside.

Cause: Watering too often or watering too little.

Example:
11L pot capacity, watering 0.5L every day, no drainage (no water running off the bottom of the pot). Since every grow or potting soil is pre-fertilized by the manufacturer, the salts collect in the lower part of the pot and lead to over-fertilization. This is particularly difficult for beginners to recognize, but even advanced gardeners sometimes wonder why their plants show signs of over-fertilization even though they have not fertilized at all or only very sparingly.

...
The time it takes for the pot to become lighter can vary greatly and depends on the situation of the plants.

Examples: Plants that have been freshly repotted and well watered towards the end of the veggie season do not need any water for 8 days. For plants that are in the middle of the flowering stretch under 600W, the pot can be so light after just 48 hours that it needs to be watered again. The only thing that matters is the weight of the pot and not the time between waterings! This also applies 1:1 to young plants and seedlings. If seedlings are freshly watered, then depending on the conditions, they may not need any water for a week to 10 days. Experience has shown that Jiffys do not retain moisture as long as potting soil and should be checked after 2 - 3 days. Proper watering also helps to prevent pests, as fungus gnats in particular love soil that is constantly moist. If fertilizer is administered, it should be mixed well with the watering water before watering so that it is evenly distributed in the pot. Large amounts of fertilizer on dry soil should be avoided. Do not leave the excess water in the saucer, pour it away. Let's move on to the second most common symptom... limp, yellowish drooping leaves, the plant looks "sick" overall. These are the
typical consequences of...

2. Overwatering. In a later stage, the leaves turn brown and spotty, the plants stop growing completely.

Cause: Due to the constant "underwater state", the plant lacks oxygen in the soil and the roots rot.

Remedy/avoidance: see instructions above.

Too little watering also happens, but is very rare indoors, as growers (especially beginners) always mean too well with their plants... too much water, too much fertilizer or both. It feels like 90% of all "deficiencies" for which advice is sought can be traced back to this.

If the plants have not been watered for too long outdoors or indoors in pots, the following things should be observed:

A so-called . "Pouring edge", i.e. a gap is created between the soil and the pot at the edge of the pot...the wider it is, the drier the soil is (shrinkage).
Semolina edges


this is written by a legendary grower from switzerland! not from me!
 
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caexx

Member
First...how do I do it right?

Water so much that a little water runs out of the bottom of the pot every time you water it (drain).

Water evenly so that the whole surface is evenly covered with water.

After watering, lift the pot to see how heavy it is.

Then wait until it has become noticeably lighter (at least half) and only then water again.

A rough guideline for the amount of water to water is about 1/3 of the volume of soil, i.e. 2.5 - 3 liters of water should fit into 9 liters of soil per watering before water running off can be seen at the bottom of the pot.

So that the soil can absorb enough water, it should be compacted a little by hand when potting, especially the bottom third. You can tell that you have potted it correctly when 1/3 of the volume of water fits in the pot before it drains.

When potting or repotting, always water thoroughly and then determine the starting weight. "Watering thoroughly" specifically means: letting the soil soak up and saturate with water so that there are no dry spots in the soil. Dry soil cannot be accessed by the roots.

Good day, dear forum members. :-)

After I discovered that the most common mistake (even before over-fertilizing) in plant care is incorrect watering, this calls for a short guide that can be linked in such cases.

There are several watering methods that work and I will only describe one that has proven itself in practice and is easy to follow even for beginners. This can be practiced from the moment the seedlings are born. It should be noted that freshly germinated plants
need a correspondingly longer time to use up the water from the first watering due to a lack of root mass.

One week to 10 days is not uncommon here.

But first, let's look at the possible symptoms that plants show when they are watered incorrectly. A very common type of damage is...

1. Over-fertilization.

The tips of the leaves turn yellow or the middle/upper leaves show yellowish discoloration, which increases from the inside to the outside.

Cause: Watering too often or watering too little.

Example:
11L pot capacity, watering 0.5L every day, no drainage (no water running off the bottom of the pot). Since every grow or potting soil is pre-fertilized by the manufacturer, the salts collect in the lower part of the pot and lead to over-fertilization. This is particularly difficult for beginners to recognize, but even advanced gardeners sometimes wonder why their plants show signs of over-fertilization even though they have not fertilized at all or only very sparingly.

...
The time it takes for the pot to become lighter can vary greatly and depends on the situation of the plants.

Examples: Plants that have been freshly repotted and well watered towards the end of the veggie season do not need any water for 8 days. For plants that are in the middle of the flowering stretch under 600W, the pot can be so light after just 48 hours that it needs to be watered again. The only thing that matters is the weight of the pot and not the time between waterings! This also applies 1:1 to young plants and seedlings. If seedlings are freshly watered, then depending on the conditions, they may not need any water for a week to 10 days. Experience has shown that Jiffys do not retain moisture as long as potting soil and should be checked after 2 - 3 days. Proper watering also helps to prevent pests, as fungus gnats in particular love soil that is constantly moist. If fertilizer is administered, it should be mixed well with the watering water before watering so that it is evenly distributed in the pot. Large amounts of fertilizer on dry soil should be avoided. Do not leave the excess water in the saucer, pour it away. Let's move on to the second most common symptom... limp, yellowish drooping leaves, the plant looks "sick" overall. These are the
typical consequences of...

2. Overwatering. In a later stage, the leaves turn brown and spotty, the plants stop growing completely.

Cause: Due to the constant "underwater state", the plant lacks oxygen in the soil and the roots rot.

Remedy/avoidance: see instructions above.

Too little watering also happens, but is very rare indoors, as growers (especially beginners) always mean too well with their plants... too much water, too much fertilizer or both. It feels like 90% of all "deficiencies" for which advice is sought can be traced back to this.

If the plants have not been watered for too long outdoors or indoors in pots, the following things should be observed:

A so-called . "Pouring edge", i.e. a gap is created between the soil and the pot at the edge of the pot...the wider it is, the drier the soil is (shrinkage).
Semolina edges


this is written from legendary european grower! not from me!
Okay well 10 percent of your pot size. 15 gallons size 1.5 gallon water. But only when plants are mature.. seedlings and smaller plants it's different. If you don't believe me look at my grow journal. I have plenty of pictures.
 
hey say 1/3 potsize (volune of soil) not 10% potsize per watering or 10% of soil volume!
A rough guideline for the amount of water to water is about 1/3 of the volume of soil, i.e. 2.5 - 3 liters of water should fit into 9 liters of soil per watering before water running off can be seen at the bottom of the pot.
So that the soil can absorb enough water, it should be compacted a little by hand when potting, especially the bottom third. You can tell that you have potted it correctly when 1/3 of the volume of water fits in the pot before it drains.


15 gallons are 68,19138 Liters!
68,19138 liters : 3 = 22,73046 liters per watering or 15 gallon = 1/3 potsize = 5 gallon per watering

i use 1,32 gallon pots thats 5 liters
5 liters : 3 = 1,6 liters per watering or 1,32 gallon = 1/3 potsize = 0,44 gallon per watering


also i try it to say in my words again: the soil must be watered complete with 1/3 potsize. becoose when the soil is not complete damp after watering then are in the soil dryspots and the roots will not grow in the dryspots when the soil is not damp (then we must dive the plant to become the dryspots away that will not work right anymore with watering from above. thats why we watering from bottom with the diving)! when you water the plants not with 1/3 maybe a 5 liter pot with 200ml (not with 1/3 = 1,6 liters) then the salts on bottom from the soil and she looks maybe like overfertilized (than again we must dive the plant) or flush next watering with enough drain...also is important to watering the soil correctly and check the pot weight (when pot is 50% lighter than before watering) not the days between the watering,then water again.
 
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caexx

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hey say 1/3 potsize (volune of soil) not 10% potsize per watering or 10% of soil volume!
A rough guideline for the amount of water to water is about 1/3 of the volume of soil, i.e. 2.5 - 3 liters of water should fit into 9 liters of soil per watering before water running off can be seen at the bottom of the pot.
So that the soil can absorb enough water, it should be compacted a little by hand when potting, especially the bottom third. You can tell that you have potted it correctly when 1/3 of the volume of water fits in the pot before it drains.


15 gallons are 68,19138 Liters!
68,19138 liters : 3 = 22,73046 liters per watering or 15 gallon = 1/3 potsize = 5 gallon per watering

i use 1,32 gallon pots thats 5 liters
5 liters : 3 = 1,6 liters per watering or 1,32 gallon = 1/3 potsize = 0,44 gallon per watering
Sure dude you keep doing what you're doing. Its not like its going to affect my grow. I'm harvesting my buds right now.
 

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Sure dude you keep doing what you're doing. Its not like its going to affect my grow. I'm harvesting my buds right now.
is ja ok...i just say you what the say how 2 water in german forum...idk what technic you do with 67 liter pot...maybe another idk greetings
 

heydiddlydoo

Active Member
*Another Week of Veg Complete*
Got the plants back on track.
Did some LST as well.
A dose of Grow Big fertilizer and pruning/trims did it.
Will keep monitoring they seem to be bouncing back. Right plant is a bit better shape
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