Star Dog
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Oh yeah, now that you mention it.
I think you or someone else rightly said you can't get a tap root from a clone, that's correct ime.
Stop cutting your clone stems at a 45! There's a better way to get a white beard growing.
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I think you or someone else rightly said you can't get a tap root from a clone, that's correct ime.
Yup and if you go through this thread supposedly the OP achieved that by using a specific method...
If it comes out that this method is indeed solid and results in taproot (an improvement to be sure over traditional cloning methods) then I think yall are really gonna have to do some self analysis on why you are responding to potentially beneficial outcomes with such an outsized amount of skepticism and know-it-all-ness.
TheWholeTruth
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The only reason the cuttings are recommended being cut diagonal is to have more exposed surface area in contact with the media or rooting compound. Its to just up chances by having more fresh cells in contact with the media or rooting compound rather than more just outer tougher skin as the fresh cells in the right environment and condition are able to produce cell growth fast. That's the only reason behind it. Its to help increase the chances of rooting. But increasing the chances of rooting or getting more exposed surface area incontact with the media can be achieved many ways.
You can even snap off a leaf and get it to root it if you want, you can even cut a thick leaf in half and root it. Rooting fast itself just depends on the conditions and how well you keep them. The cutting with the dog nail cutter works on the same principal as the diagonal as it don't just make a a flat cut but kind of cuts sloped inwards all the way around. So its the same principal as the diagonal you end up with more exposed surface area than just flat. You can scrape the skin on one side a inch under a node, over a node and a inch above and your creating even more exposed surface area to make contact with the media to increase chances of success if you want. But these methods are just to up the chance with key word being chance. But this method of exposing more fresh cell surface area through method of cut or no mater what way your doing it is the same principal and already well known.
But its good to experiment as its how you learn and see things for yourself.
You can even snap off a leaf and get it to root it if you want, you can even cut a thick leaf in half and root it. Rooting fast itself just depends on the conditions and how well you keep them. The cutting with the dog nail cutter works on the same principal as the diagonal as it don't just make a a flat cut but kind of cuts sloped inwards all the way around. So its the same principal as the diagonal you end up with more exposed surface area than just flat. You can scrape the skin on one side a inch under a node, over a node and a inch above and your creating even more exposed surface area to make contact with the media to increase chances of success if you want. But these methods are just to up the chance with key word being chance. But this method of exposing more fresh cell surface area through method of cut or no mater what way your doing it is the same principal and already well known.
But its good to experiment as its how you learn and see things for yourself.
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FirstCavApache64
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I'm not sure why you're so hung up on a tap root. Good healthy roots from a clone don't require anything special, just a clean cut and the right environment. I probably rooted 100 cuts this year with no taproot and they take off as soon as they hit soil and grow nice plants. If it makes you feel good then by all means go for it but a bunch of experienced growers out there are doing just great without it.
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We are aiming for different goals is all.
FirstCavApache64
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Just curious what you think a taproot is going to do differently. There's lots of ways to get good results, hope it work's out well for you.
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Here is what Google pulled up, however I'm getting bully vibes from yall and that's disappointing.
I googled "clones don't have taproot"
This is first thing it pulls:
Clones do not grow as vigorously as seed grown plants, especially out-doors, because clones do not grow a taproot. They only grow secondary roots from the stem and subsequently most of their growth is lateral rather than downward.
tkufoS
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So seeds have taproots... Clones don't. Wow!
Lol we are not the same.
tkufoS
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Thank GOD!
TheWholeTruth
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You dont get tap roots from clones. You cant get a clone to grow its cotldone leaves while a single extention grows downwards making the tap root. And all roots grow from this main line with some little air roots up near the top. Clones push out from multiple sites, they dont devolpe with that system liwith every thing oposite each other till it sets and then is alternating.
TheWholeTruth
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Thats not realy a taproot, its just cleverly had a section of the fresh cells exposed enough to get one root, but as you can see there are other root sites setting in around it. Rooting will branch from all those sites and more will pop out of that part of the stem till it almost pops/splits open with roots. Its beter with clones to get more root sites not less, the clone is going to grow stronger and faster. The hormones on the cutting will always react slightly difrent to a new born seed that straight away pushes its self upwards and downwards starting development from scratch, you wont get that with a cut straight away. Clones branch difrently cus of this too. The tap root is actualy the plant groing a single line upwards and downwards, out of the soil and into the soil. When it gets to a certain stage it branches in the soil, and when it getts to a certain stage on top it changes and starts alternating and branching diffrent, you wont get that from clone. The key with clones is to get them to push out as much root sites all over as possible on everything under the ground insted of one line. Its going to feed heavyier with many roots.
If you can pull out a cutting at the end of flowering and show it just has one extention going into the ground and all the roots branched off it then you could say you got a tap root. But that wont happen cus you can see other roots are already pushing out. The hormones are working diffrent at a seedling stage.
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FirstCavApache64
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Just potted this today, Trinity clone. Plenty of roots and ready to go. Stick to a system that works for you and your environment and cloning is easy
Experiments can validate or invalidate it. I will run one in a month
nxsov180db
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48.7°
tkufoS
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I thought 48.6 was extreme..YOU are a mad man !