the trials of donald j. trump

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
On the costs exceeding the benefit we or the democrats have no control over the legal process once it gets to court and that is where it is now. Whether Trump continues to run around spouting destructive rhetoric is up to the judge(s) and nobody else. The longer he is running around loose, the better his chances of capturing the GOP nomination IMO. It is what it is and Texiera is in jail pretrial for the same thing Trump did and the prosecutors have not been pressing the issue of Trump's big mouth so far.

The democrats have not contrived this situation, though Garland did control much of the timing, for whatever reason. Donald will run around loose spouting bullshit for as long as the judge(s) let him, or he is convicted and jailed awaiting sentencing for J6. His trial is scheduled for March of 24 in DC and is estimated to take about 8 weeks at most.
The fact that it’s been this long for the matter to come to trial has costs that have already been incurred.

The added fact that he isn’t being detained for plainly disallowed behavior pertaining to the conditions of his release pending trial increases the injury in my view. I don’t have the whole picture, but I wonder why Chutkan hasn’t sent the Marshals.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The fact that it’s been this long for the matter to come to trial has costs that have already been incurred.

The added fact that he isn’t being detained for plainly disallowed behavior pertaining to the conditions of his release pending trial increases the injury in my view. I don’t have the whole picture, but I wonder why Chutkan hasn’t sent the Marshals.
Enough rope I guess and when she jerks his leash his head will pop off. The GOP primaries are months away and the election well over a year, officially nobody is running for anything yet. In Canada elections are 60 days from the call by the party in power, a non-confidence vote, or mandatory date, keeps the money down and we don't have endless election cycles, but can focus on policy and not raising money for the next go round. In America these past few decades it's become election time all the time and the need for money never stops.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus

DIY-HP-LED

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Good news, they won't lock Donald up in DC when he is convicted pending appeal (maybe) and if he is out loose, then the odds of him winning the GOP nomination go up and so does the disaster for the GOP. Unless they can somehow use the courts to declare Trump disqualified under the 14th let the battle begin and go right up to the SCOTUS like a rocket. Such efforts are now underway. Trumps federal conviction over J6 crimes should put the seal on the 14th amendment being applied to disqualify him but is not required. He might win the nomination and be sentenced to life in prison and be declared disqualified under the 14th upon sentencing by the court before the convention and what a circus that would be!


Mystal noted that the start date could still be moved, but even if the trial was pushed back until May, “that’s still plenty of time to try and convict before the RNC in July,” and the judge “doesn’t seem inclined to grand the massive delays the defense is asking for.”

Chutkan rejected trial dates requested by both the prosecution and the defense.

Special counsel Jack Smith had proposed a January trial, while Trump’s team had asked for the trial to start in April 2026, more than a year after the next presidential election.

Chutkan said Trump would have to prioritize the trial and she would not change the schedule based on his professional obligations. She noted that if a professional athlete were on trial, “it would be inappropriate to set a trial date to accommodate her schedule.”

Mystal said Chutkan’s decision had him totally rethinking his legal analysis.

“I could move the goalposts and say that he won’t be *jailed* until after the election (’cause he won’t, because of appeals),” Mystal continued. “But I didn’t even think he’d be brought to trial and, boy howdy Chutkan is trying to make me owe some dinners all across this country.”

“I still could be right, but she’s making me look wrong. Gloriously wrong,” he added.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Wouldn’t he have to appeal from prison if convicted?
Up to the judge I should think, but these are serious crimes and involve obstruction of justice and he is on release or bail in other jurisdictions. The only factor I care about is him winning the GOP primary before the convention and then going to prison or locked up in jail waiting to go there. I'd like to see the GOP ripped apart over the 14th as Trump goes down with an epic republican loss in 24. I'm certain he is disqualified anyway, but a conviction in DC over J6 would finish any debate over the 14th applying to him. I'd like to see the GOP in the position of having a disqualified candidate on the eve of the election and basically concede the election to Biden as the cell door slams behind Trump's ass.

It is all still on the table until the courts rule, but I'm sure they will rule to disqualify Trump, but it might take until he applies in the states to find out, too late for the GOP.
 

printer

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This one will hurt.

Trump inflated net worth by $2.2 billion, NY attorney general alleges

New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) alleged former President Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.2 billion, according to court documents filed Wednesday.
The allegation came as part of James’s lawsuit against Trump, the Trump Organization and two of the former president’s children alleging more than a decade of fraud.

Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump both currently serve as executive vice presidents at the Trump Organization, playing prominent roles in their father’s business arm. Ivanka Trump was previously included in the lawsuit, but later dismissed from it by a state appeals judge.
James included the new figure in a court filing urging a judge to partially rule against Trump ahead of the scheduled Oct. 2 trial.
She alleged that Trump inflated his net worth by hundreds of millions of dollars between 2011 and 2021. In 2014, James accused Trump of exaggerating his net worth by as much as $2.225 billion.

“While this is just the tip of a much larger iceberg of deception Plaintiff is prepared to expose at trial — which would result in carving off billions more from Mr. Trump’s net worth — it is more than sufficient to permit this Court to rule as a matter of law that each [statement of financial conditions] from 2011 to 2021 was false or misleading,” James wrote.

The lawsuit purports that Trump’s company falsely inflated and deflated the value of its assets to pay lower taxes and improve its insurance coverage. James is seeking $250 million in financial penalties, in addition to barring Trump and his children from serving as officers or directors of New York-registered or licensed corporations.

Attorneys for Trump argued that the “undisputed record” in the case establishes the former president as a “multi-billionaire” presiding over a “wildly successful” international real estate and licensing empire for decades.

“Yet despite these undisputed facts, and despite herself admitting herein President Trump is a successful billionaire even by her own manipulated standards, the NYAG has spent considerable time and taxpayer dollars chasing after President Trump by wading into wholly private, and successfully consummated, commercial agreements — the provisions of which have been fully satisfied — between highly sophisticated parties,” the joint motion reads.

Attached to the motion was a transcript of Trump’s more than six-hour deposition with prosecutors in April.
In the deposition, Trump repeatedly attacked prosecutors, calling the case “ridiculous” and a “disgrace.”

“And it’s a shame that somebody that’s done such a good job, the Convention Center in New York, so many things I did for this City, the job in the West Side of Manhattan, thousands of people employed and now I have to come and justify myself to you,” Trump said.
 

Herb & Suds

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This one will hurt.

Trump inflated net worth by $2.2 billion, NY attorney general alleges

New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) alleged former President Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.2 billion, according to court documents filed Wednesday.
The allegation came as part of James’s lawsuit against Trump, the Trump Organization and two of the former president’s children alleging more than a decade of fraud.

Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump both currently serve as executive vice presidents at the Trump Organization, playing prominent roles in their father’s business arm. Ivanka Trump was previously included in the lawsuit, but later dismissed from it by a state appeals judge.
James included the new figure in a court filing urging a judge to partially rule against Trump ahead of the scheduled Oct. 2 trial.
She alleged that Trump inflated his net worth by hundreds of millions of dollars between 2011 and 2021. In 2014, James accused Trump of exaggerating his net worth by as much as $2.225 billion.

“While this is just the tip of a much larger iceberg of deception Plaintiff is prepared to expose at trial — which would result in carving off billions more from Mr. Trump’s net worth — it is more than sufficient to permit this Court to rule as a matter of law that each [statement of financial conditions] from 2011 to 2021 was false or misleading,” James wrote.

The lawsuit purports that Trump’s company falsely inflated and deflated the value of its assets to pay lower taxes and improve its insurance coverage. James is seeking $250 million in financial penalties, in addition to barring Trump and his children from serving as officers or directors of New York-registered or licensed corporations.

Attorneys for Trump argued that the “undisputed record” in the case establishes the former president as a “multi-billionaire” presiding over a “wildly successful” international real estate and licensing empire for decades.

“Yet despite these undisputed facts, and despite herself admitting herein President Trump is a successful billionaire even by her own manipulated standards, the NYAG has spent considerable time and taxpayer dollars chasing after President Trump by wading into wholly private, and successfully consummated, commercial agreements — the provisions of which have been fully satisfied — between highly sophisticated parties,” the joint motion reads.

Attached to the motion was a transcript of Trump’s more than six-hour deposition with prosecutors in April.
In the deposition, Trump repeatedly attacked prosecutors, calling the case “ridiculous” and a “disgrace.”

“And it’s a shame that somebody that’s done such a good job, the Convention Center in New York, so many things I did for this City, the job in the West Side of Manhattan, thousands of people employed and now I have to come and justify myself to you,” Trump said.
You mean he isn’t really a billionaire prior to running for president?:eyesmoke:
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You mean he isn’t really a billionaire prior to running for president?:eyesmoke:
I think his “rob Peter to stiff Paul” modus is at stall speed. His cash flow problems must be chin-deep at this point. It’s entirely possible that he can’t afford his customary full Attorney Task Group, or even one lawyer prepared for The Shitstorm To Come. I would love to see him reduced to court-appointed representation on his way to Federal housing assistance.

I wonder if there are jetliner repo men.
 

Herb & Suds

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I think his “rob Peter to stiff Paul” modus is at stall speed. His cash flow problems must be chin-deep at this point. It’s entirely possible that he can’t afford his customary full Attorney Task Group, or even one lawyer prepared for The Shitstorm To Come. I would love to see him reduced to court-appointed representation on his way to Federal housing assistance.

I wonder if there are jetliner repo men.
I used to watch those repo guys do just that
Something about you had to have the flight logs and mango probably hid them in his ex wife’s grave
Oops now I’m a conspiracy theorist :bigjoint:
 

Fogdog

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Up to the judge I should think, but these are serious crimes and involve obstruction of justice and he is on release or bail in other jurisdictions. The only factor I care about is him winning the GOP primary before the convention and then going to prison or locked up in jail waiting to go there. I'd like to see the GOP ripped apart over the 14th as Trump goes down with an epic republican loss in 24. I'm certain he is disqualified anyway, but a conviction in DC over J6 would finish any debate over the 14th applying to him. I'd like to see the GOP in the position of having a disqualified candidate on the eve of the election and basically concede the election to Biden as the cell door slams behind Trump's ass.

It is all still on the table until the courts rule, but I'm sure they will rule to disqualify Trump, but it might take until he applies in the states to find out, too late for the GOP.
Voters cast their vote for a slate of electors, not directly for their candidate for prez. If Trump were disqualified before the election, it would be up to the electors to pick the winner.

I would love to see the chaos that would cause. But hope that their choice would be moot because Biden won the election outright.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Voters cast their vote for a slate of electors, not directly for their candidate for prez. If Trump were disqualified before the election, it would be up to the electors to pick the winner.

I would love to see the chaos that would cause. But hope that their choice would be moot because Biden won the election outright.

With Trump's indictments, possible conviction date and the 14th in play it's becoming less worrisome and more entertaining. It sure is interesting and there are a lot of moving pieces, this shit is American history in the making as much as the civil war or WW2 and might end up shaping the country as much as those events.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Voters cast their vote for a slate of electors, not directly for their candidate for prez. If Trump were disqualified before the election, it would be up to the electors to pick the winner.

I would love to see the chaos that would cause. But hope that their choice would be moot because Biden won the election outright.

Better a civil war inside the GOP than in America, I think the weight of his legal problems will bring Trump down and he won't end up winning the nomination and if he does there is the 14th. The problem the GOP has is there is no way to rid themselves of Trump without being attacked, if he loses the nomination, he was cheated by RINOs and it was stolen by those who "sold out", his base might stay home in November. If he wins the nomination and gets turfed when he files the papers in the states, then they are screwed with him in prison by then. Like I said a conviction over J6 in DC this spring will surely evoke the 14th. He will attack his GOP replacement, if they can file in time because Trump will wait until the deadline to file!
 

printer

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This is new on twitter, Trump's war room, who is he at war with? Besides Merrick, Jack, Foni, Alvin, several judges...
Maybe Elon will help to put Trump in jail if he loses it on twitter.

I have noticed on some of the pro Ukraine tweets that I googled do not come up if I quote the user and a section of the post. Never had a problem before the sale. Must be because he had to lay off half the staff.
 

topcat

Well-Known Member
Grounds for an earlier trial date. Can't have a defendant poisoning the jury pool.
January 2, 2024 it is, then. All the 1/6 Committee documents are online for anybody to see. His lawyers used all the evidence as a reason to delay the trial. I saw some woman affiliated with the Federalist Society repeat the same lie that is easily debunked. Thank you very much.:lol:
 

printer

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I think we should all personally thank him.
Trump in deposition says he averted ‘nuclear holocaust’
Former President Trump said he averted a “nuclear holocaust” with North Korea and “saved millions of lives” during his time as president, according to his newly released April deposition in his New York civil fraud case.

For nearly seven hours, lawyers with the New York attorney general’s office grilled Trump over his company’s business practices and his children’s roles within the Trump Organization. When asked about how his position changed within the Trump Organization when elected president, Trump said he was “very busy” and considered the presidency “the most important job in the world, saving millions of lives.”

“I think you would have nuclear holocaust, if I didn’t deal with North Korea,” Trump said. “I think you would have a nuclear war, if I weren’t elected. And I think you might have a nuclear war now, if you want to know the truth.”

Trump said his sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, both of whom currently serve as executive vice presidents at the Trump organization and are named in the suit, saw their roles change once he came president.

“They became more intensely involved with the company, I was virtually not involved at all,” Trump said. “I rarely — I’d rarely have anything to do with anything having to do with the company.”

The testimony is part of New York Attorney General Letitia James’s (D) lawsuit against Trump, the Trump Organization and two of the former president’s children over allegations of major fraud. Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, was previously included in the lawsuit but later dismissed from it by a state appeals judge.

Trump’s lawyers released Trump’s 479-page deposition transcript Wednesday ahead of a Sept. 2 hearing where a judge could resolve part or all of the lawsuit before it goes to trial in October.

In a separate court document filed Wednesday, James alleges Trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.2 billion in 2014, and from 2011-21 defrauded lenders, insurers and others.

James asked Judge Arthur Engoron to partially rule against Trump ahead of the scheduled Oct. 2 trial.
During the April deposition, Trump appeared to dismiss the attorney general’s allegations, advising James to “drop the case.”
 
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