Is there literature that shows this to be consistently true? I'm not a big fem guy, so I'm genuinely curious. From what I've read, nothing besides the one in a million exceptional pheno is going to beat a worked line. S1's are behind worked lines, but its not a crap shoot, far from it.
The breedercast with nspecta he pretty much says this.
Never heard of it, I'll add it to the list
Sorry, not positive it's this one but I think it is. It's been awhile since I heard it.
I think you're underestimating both the positive and the negative expressions. You pop a few packs of Chem D S1's and you will find something better than most hybrids imo. That being said...
I have an amateur understanding of basic breeding expression, but fem breeding seems pretty poorly understood in general. Beyond the subjective claims that range from analytical to bro science, there's not a whole lot of real research on the matter.
I like to think of s1’s as having a very high ceiling and a very low floor. There will for sure be some garbage.
There is a lot of literature on what we call fem breeding in the agricultural industry. It’s how they lock down traits in food. The cannabis industry is the one that has “reservations” on fem breeding and it isn’t warranted.
On the cannabis end of the science of fem breeding, there's alot to be explored and defined, that's what I'm getting at.
idk about actual literature but ive heard Nspecta speak on it a couple times in interviews and podcasts, he said something along the lines of S1's being a bit more of a crapshoot on phenos/keepers but you also have the potential to find something even BETTER than the S1'd strain you were after. Basically requires more hunting but the rewards can be worth it.
They said it was a male out of the seeds popped
Count me in as someone who hasn’t popped any seeds that have turned into junk weed Lol. Specially fems because that’s mostly what I got. They all grow dank. Even the shitty unknown freebies with no hopes turn dank. Maybe I’m not as picky in my plants but shit all seeds I’ve popped have produce dank bud.. the few times I’ve been disappointed has been with clones.. a lot less dank in em than the hype of being cuts
Bag seeds arent always S1's tho remember.Every bag seed I ever grew was killer and some of the best plants I’ve done
It is most definitely in the shaping fire. Just happened to listen to it again yesterday. Nspecta definitely says that his S1 seeds are much more if a hunt with around half being straight junk. If you can't believe Caleb about his own seed stock, then I don't know what to say. And since he runs his own S1 seeds, I'm siding with Nspecta, and all the others that are saying true S1 seeds are a bit of a crapshoot.
This is true not only from the stand point of another strain pollinating her, but also could be her sister plant that herm'd and pollinated her, which is different from an S1. The point of an S1 is to go on the hunt. For example, you pop 100 seeds. Of that 30 maybe even 40 probably won't be what your looking for. Maybe too much stretch, issues with pm or mold or whatever. The rest of that 60-70 with have more slight variations you can hunt thru to decide what you like in structure or production or whatever you might want to flower out. And then you'll find the true keepers, maybe only 5-6 that are the true gems. Those will be even better than the original mother that you self'd. These are the ones you want to mother out keep forever. An S1 unlocks the full spectrum of the plants DNA code, from extremely bad to extremely amazing.
Great explanation...but then are we getting ripped off paying 100+ for 6 fem s1s?
Because inept growers have been sold a lie by countless seed pushers that don't even pop the seeds they sell. CSI is as legit as they come but the marketing BS about autoflowers, fems, and "f1 hybrid" is just to sell people seeds. Not actually produce higher quality results
Two reasons. First reversals are not easy. And secondly, not everyone has access to elite cuts. S1's produce some plants which are almost identical or better than the elite cut without being further polluted by other gene pools.
Indeed. Pollen contamination from a previous indoor grow also happens.