Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

cannabineer said:
There’s a reason why such things are at the top of gun control efforts. That is my motive for saying so. Such a large number of wounded is inconsistent with an ordinary “carry” weapon deployed in an unplanned manner.
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I understand. I'm just not ready to talk about the difference between a bullet and a round so close to this news.

I think we know what to do to make a start at reducing the carnage. Most people support it too. We just lack the support in State legislatures and US Congress.
 
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Fogdog said:
I understand. I'm just not ready to talk about the difference between a bullet and a round so close to this news.

I think we know what to do to make a start at reducing the carnage. Just lack the support in State legislatures and US Congress.
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I did not intend a hardware derail, but in retrospect that’s how it reads.

I’ll refocus on the main thing, which is how to reduce the harm being done by people with guns.

The trivially obvious answer is “fewer guns”, in the hands of fewer civilians.

The first step is to require Federal registration of all arms that can be classed useful in an assault.

The next step is to disallow the transfer (including inheritance) of the firearms in class.

Taking guns away is not likely to happen and legally a bit fraught. So the obvious step is to terminate the civilian (incl. police and security employees) sale of high-capacity andor semiautomatic guns.

This is made hard by right-populist legislators who appeal to the “gravy seal LARP overkill fetishist” contingent of the base. They’re misusing the Constitution as a blunt weapon against gun laws that would be a no-brainer in any other developed nation. (See appended instance of that misuse.)

Just another bewildering instance of our exceptionalist politics. A salutary political shift needs to be built on a preceding cultural shift, and we’re seeing attitudes entrenched since the Civil War resurface like a case of shingles.

This is a long-term project, and for now one of the best tools is to keep putting every mass shooting on the front page. Slow steady erosion of the enabling culture.

And this is from someone who owns more than one gun.

Statewide constitutional carry law goes into effect July 1st

The permitless carry law does not remove any gun eligibility requirements, such as who can purchase a firearm.
www.wcjb.com www.wcjb.com
 
cannabineer said:
I did not intend a hardware derail, but in retrospect that’s how it reads.

I’ll refocus on the main thing, which is how to reduce the harm being done by people with guns.

The trivially obvious answer is “fewer guns”, in the hands of fewer civilians.

The first step is to require Federal registration of all arms that can be classed useful in an assault.

The next step is to disallow the transfer (including inheritance) of the firearms in class.

Taking guns away is not likely to happen and legally a bit fraught. So the obvious step is to terminate the civilian (incl. police and security employees) sale of high-capacity andor semiautomatic guns.

This is made hard by right-populist legislators who appeal to the “gravy seal LARP overkill fetishist” contingent of the base. They’re misusing the Constitution as a blunt weapon against gun laws that would be a no-brainer in any other developed nation. (See appended instance of that misuse.)

Just another bewildering instance of our exceptionalist politics. A salutary political shift needs to be built on a preceding cultural shift, and we’re seeing attitudes entrenched since the Civil War resurface like a case of shingles.

This is a long-term project, and for now one of the best tools is to keep putting every mass shooting on the front page. Slow steady erosion of the enabling culture.

And this is from someone who owns more than one gun.

Statewide constitutional carry law goes into effect July 1st

The permitless carry law does not remove any gun eligibility requirements, such as who can purchase a firearm.
www.wcjb.com www.wcjb.com
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Maryland has pretty good gun regulations already in place. They are the kind we in Oregon already approved but got snarled in courts. It's kind of depressing to see how easily gun nuts have managed to defeat common sense measures. It may take an amendment to the constitution to enable the kinds of sensible things you listed. So, a sea change in political shift is what I think it will take. At least 10 years, 50,000 dead, hundreds of thousand wounded and millions of grieving family members will be sacrificed to the altar of gun worship before it's possible. Or maybe sooner. Once a tipping point is reached, it can go fast.

What you discuss isn't unreasonable. It might not be sufficient but I support progress and am not an all or nothing kind of advocate. For example, I think restricting capacity should be added to your list. But a trip begins with the first step. We haven't made that first step yet at the national level.
 
Fogdog said:
Maryland has pretty good gun regulations already in place. They are the kind we in Oregon already approved but got snarled in courts. It's kind of depressing to see how easily gun nuts have managed to defeat common sense measures. It may take an amendment to the constitution to enable the kinds of sensible things you listed. So, a sea change in political shift is what I think it will take. At least 10 years, 50,000 dead, hundreds of thousand wounded and millions of grieving family members will be sacrificed to the altar of gun worship before it's possible. Or maybe sooner. Once a tipping point is reached, it can go fast.

What you discuss isn't unreasonable. It might not be sufficient but I support progress and am not an all or nothing kind of advocate. For example, I think restricting capacity should be added to your list. But a trip begins with the first step. We haven't made that first step yet at the national level.
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It was not very clear, but I think high capacity is an automatic (!) qualifier for assault class.

I agree an amendment using plain current language would be a powerful and probably necessary adjunct to establishing a safer environment.
I imagine that it won’t happen without the long-term culture reprogramming to which I alluded in passing.

I think the failure to pass the Equal Rights amendment shows up a different facet of the entrenched illiberal culture with which US has been saddled since the emergence of the Klan and other sympathetic “libertarian” organizations like maybe the Birchers. We got our work cut out for us against folks who are as hardbitten as Baptists are about sex. In fact, I think the evangelical analogy is no accident.
 

Philadelphia mass shooting: Suspect Kimbrady Carriker charged with 5 counts of murder for Kingsessing rampage | 6abc.com

The%20suspect%20in%20Philadelphia's%20deadly%20mass%20shooting%20has%20been%20charged%20with%20five%20counts%20of%20murder.
6abc.com 6abc.com

“In addition to murder, Carriker is also facing charges of attempted murder, reckless endangerment, aggravated assault and carrying firearm without valid permit.”



No valid permit. Yea I don’t think the murderer cares about gun laws or permits unfortunately.

Edit: wait what??

www.dailymail.co.uk

EXCLUSIVE: Cross-dressing gunman behind Philly bloodbath is BLM backer

Kimbrady Carriker, 40, a Black Lives Matter supporter who made numerous posts about guns shot dead four men and a 15-year-old boy in Philadelphia on the eve of the Fourth of July.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Is that really the same person?
 
sweetisland2009 said:

Philadelphia mass shooting: Suspect Kimbrady Carriker charged with 5 counts of murder for Kingsessing rampage | 6abc.com

The%20suspect%20in%20Philadelphia's%20deadly%20mass%20shooting%20has%20been%20charged%20with%20five%20counts%20of%20murder.
6abc.com 6abc.com

“In addition to murder, Carriker is also facing charges of attempted murder, reckless endangerment, aggravated assault and carrying firearm without valid permit.”



No valid permit. Yea I don’t think the murderer cares about gun laws or permits unfortunately.

Edit: wait what??

www.dailymail.co.uk

EXCLUSIVE: Cross-dressing gunman behind Philly bloodbath is BLM backer

Kimbrady Carriker, 40, a Black Lives Matter supporter who made numerous posts about guns shot dead four men and a 15-year-old boy in Philadelphia on the eve of the Fourth of July.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Is that really the same person?
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The Daily Mail should be ashamed of that headline. Why focus on the "cross dressing BLM supporter" in the headline with no mention of the violent and threatening rhetoric he was posting? Which is more relevant in this case?

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Hearing that the roommates did notice an increase in agitation to the point that they chose to avoid that person, and that a tactical vest and guns were being worn around the house days before the shooting; perfect example of why "red flag" laws should be passed.

Welp, thoughts and prayers.
 
CANON_Grow said:
The Daily Mail should be ashamed of that headline. Why focus on the "cross dressing BLM supporter" in the headline with no mention of the violent and threatening rhetoric he was posting? Which is more relevant in this case?

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Hearing that the roommates did notice an increase in agitation to the point that they chose to avoid that person, and that a tactical vest and guns were being worn around the house days before the shooting; perfect example of why "red flag" laws should be passed.

Welp, thoughts and prayers.
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There's a reason to ignore folks posting that sorta dumb shit.

Edit: Jesus fucking christ, this is the most I have ever edited/adjusted a post to not hurt people's feelings.
 
CANON_Grow said:
The Daily Mail should be ashamed of that headline. Why focus on the "cross dressing BLM supporter" in the headline with no mention of the violent and threatening rhetoric he was posting? Which is more relevant in this case?

Displayed in order as shown in article:

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Hearing that the roommates did notice an increase in agitation to the point that they chose to avoid that person, and that a tactical vest and guns were being worn around the house days before the shooting; perfect example of why "red flag" laws should be passed.

Welp, thoughts and prayers.
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you have to admit those kinds of headlines go both ways there are countless examples of identity and fill in the blank used to explain evil acts. It caught me off guard and I tend to agree with you. It did genuinely look like two different people though.
 
sweetisland2009 said:
you have to admit those kinds of headlines go both ways there are countless examples of identity and fill in the blank used to explain evil acts. It caught me off guard and I tend to agree with you. It did genuinely look like two different people though.
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With the increase of hate crimes the past few years, "headlines go both ways" is not a valid defence for any media outlets. It is extremely dangerous rhetoric that is perpetuating violence and needs to stop.
 
CANON_Grow said:
With the increase of hate crimes the past few years, "headlines go both ways" is not a valid defence for any media outlets. It is extremely dangerous rhetoric that is perpetuating violence and needs to stop.
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except hate crimes go both ways too. It’s not one group of people that are the problem. Everyone has their bad apples
 
sweetisland2009 said:
except hate crimes go both ways too. It’s not one group of people that are the problem. Everyone has their bad apples
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Yeah, because you hear about black cops beating white guys to death every day...And all those black militia units marching through white neighborhoods, just trying to provoke shit...There's a difference between a bad apple and a tree that has a whole rotten limb. The only thing you can do is cut that limb off, and hope the rot hasn't gotten to the roots.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
Yeah, because you hear about black cops beating white guys to death every day...And all those black militia units marching through white neighborhoods, just trying to provoke shit...There's a difference between a bad apple and a tree that has a whole rotten limb. The only thing you can do is cut that limb off, and hope the rot hasn't gotten to the roots.
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so you’re suggesting white people in this generation are somehow more prone to hate crimes than people of different skin pigmentation? What is a limb? How many people is that and how do you cut it off?

I’d argue most people are inherently good and statistically similar in that a very small percentage of their particular ethnicity carry out abhorrent acts against others.

Your own personal views seem to be influenced by exactly what I’m referring to.

What’s also interesting is Latinos are categorized as white in FBI statistics, at least since 2016 (which is actually bad for black people because it masks the disparity of white to black ratios in prison, which I absolutely agree is unjust but the product of democrats along with republicans and their war on drugs)

numbers wise the only group of people in the US with a categorically lower amount of hate crimes are our Asian population.
 
sweetisland2009 said:
so you’re suggesting white people in this generation are somehow more prone to hate crimes than people of different skin pigmentation? What is a limb? How many people is that and how do you cut it off?

I’d argue most people are inherently good and statistically similar in that a very small percentage of their particular ethnicity carry out abhorrent acts against others.

Your own personal views seem to be influenced by exactly what I’m referring to.

What’s also interesting is Latinos are categorized as white in FBI statistics, at least since 2016 (which is actually bad for black people because it masks the disparity of white to black ratios in prison, which I absolutely agree is unjust but the product of democrats along with republicans and their war on drugs)

numbers wise the only group of people in the US with a categorically lower amount of hate crimes are our Asian population.
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why do you imagine Repugs are so offended by Critical Race Theory?

Whupped dogs holler. They know deep down that their preferred society is built on apartheid.
 
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