Seeking Advice on Yield Expectations and Tips for Growing in My Setup
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Modern Selections
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And they are a weak final product.
I would start with soil. One mistake with autos is the end and coco is the most unforgiving method of growing.
I would start with soil. One mistake with autos is the end and coco is the most unforgiving method of growing.
TCH
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I dont want to sidebar this too much, but have you ever grown in DWC? Lol. In my experience, coco has been very simple as long as you pay attention to details. Seems to me that it shows symptoms and solutions rather quickly instead of having to wait days and days to see if changes were good in soil. Where as in DWC, you walk away for 12 minutes and all of a sudden your plant is wilted and on deaths doorstep. Haha
Modern Selections
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DWC and hydro are very simple. 5.8 ph, plenty of oxygen, at least 5gal buckets pref bigger totes. Frequent buckets changes. Keep water temps below 70. Use hygrozyme.
Coco especially in the beginning needs to be babysat until the roots fill the pot and frequent waterings are used. If it dries too or the young roots sit in oversaturated media problems arise and with autos, problems equal lousy yield.
Coco especially in the beginning needs to be babysat until the roots fill the pot and frequent waterings are used. If it dries too or the young roots sit in oversaturated media problems arise and with autos, problems equal lousy yield.
PopAndSonGrows
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My 2 cents
The only real benefit of autos, is NO LIGHT SCHEDULE NEEDED. Literally everything else, it's just weed
The only real benefit of autos, is NO LIGHT SCHEDULE NEEDED. Literally everything else, it's just weed
Jjgrow420
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Weak? No
Soil would be the least forgiving. Coco the most forgiving.
One mistake wouldn't be 'the end' but it would take away a bit from the potential.
PopAndSonGrows
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Gona quote Bruce again
He recently started a YouTube series with Athena, and he states, and I quote. ... 6.5 was the best pH for ALL media. This is news to me, also. Agree about the coco part, that's fair.
TCH
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So, if conditions are perfect in DWC, then yes, it is much more forgiving than poor conditions in coco.
But I was referring to when things go wrong in either media, coco is far more forgiving THAN DWC. Aeroponics is even more dicey. I'd go as far to say that coco is the most forgiving of the hydroponic growing methods.
Modern Selections
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Well coco isn't really hydroponics and I disagree, hydro is super simple. Problems can be fixed in hours. I haven't had problems in hydro in decades but I can see new growers having issues. Actually I guess new growers will have issues with any medium.
If anyone is struggling with hydroponics feel free to pm me, I'm happy to help.
If anyone is struggling with hydroponics feel free to pm me, I'm happy to help.
PopAndSonGrows
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Coco REALLY IS hydroponics. Like, in real life.
I get the point you're making but saying it's "not really" while not absolutely saying it is in fact not. It's "potting soil on training wheels" and i agree with your take on it. But you can't deny what it really is.
Modern Selections
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Hydroponics is soilless medium. Often thought of inorganic medium. Coco being an organic medium is what made me say it isn't "really" hydroponics.
It is often confused and growers treat coco like hydro and then have problems because the pH requirements are different.
It is often confused and growers treat coco like hydro and then have problems because the pH requirements are different.
PopAndSonGrows
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The trouble i often see is people NOT minding their pH in coco, and treating it like soil, which you can water with piss or angel tears & the soil can still buffer it. Coco cannot, I believe even with organic inputs & amendments you still need to mind the pH of the water. And most of us aren't using "pH perfect" nutrients
I started out in homemade NFT rails. I've found little difference when I moved to coco other than I had some buffer time built in so that a pump loss didn't kill my grow in a day. But when I lost pumps they'd last a day in their tubes with top water I got through 3 days until my new pumps arrived. There's some CEC you have to consider with your medium since it isn't completely inert but there are small difference among all the growing styles even with soil considering what type you are using.
Essentially it seems there's no definitive right or wrong and all grows have some difference when dealing with genetics too.
Hugo Phurst
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Only reason I'm trying autos is that the last couple of years have had shitty autumns, so I'm hoping they'll be done before the bad weather comes.
Indoors it's photos
PopAndSonGrows
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Perfect reason IMO
Modern Selections
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That's what autos are good for right there. I wish you a successful harvest!
calvin.m16
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Every run is a roll of the dice unless you're running the exact same genetics in the exact same way as before, same feed times, same feed strengths, same pH, same environment (co2, lights, temperatures (both water & air), humidity, airflow) etc. etc...
If you notice there needs to be a lot of the same things for something to be even remotely predictable. I've had some grows in the same room where I pull 7.5 pounds and a different run with new genetics yields 5. That's a big difference in a 6 light flowering room..
One thing I learned that is cool about mushrooms is they usually grow 1 dry ounce per pound of hydrated grain spawn pretty much across the board. Most predictably scalable thing I've ever grown in my life.
Never count your eggs before they hatch. Herms, diseases, bugs, bad genetics, power outages, equipment failure(s).
Until the buds are clean, dry trimmed and curing your going to be pretty clueless on yield. I've been growing 6 years indoors and never was able to predict my yield to the ounce. Always roughly "2 lbs or so a light" etc..
If you notice there needs to be a lot of the same things for something to be even remotely predictable. I've had some grows in the same room where I pull 7.5 pounds and a different run with new genetics yields 5. That's a big difference in a 6 light flowering room..
One thing I learned that is cool about mushrooms is they usually grow 1 dry ounce per pound of hydrated grain spawn pretty much across the board. Most predictably scalable thing I've ever grown in my life.
Never count your eggs before they hatch. Herms, diseases, bugs, bad genetics, power outages, equipment failure(s).
Until the buds are clean, dry trimmed and curing your going to be pretty clueless on yield. I've been growing 6 years indoors and never was able to predict my yield to the ounce. Always roughly "2 lbs or so a light" etc..
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calvin.m16
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Athena is the worst nutrient line I've ever fuckin ran. Weakest most overpriced salts in the industry. GH till I die.