Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i wonder how long it will take for marginal traitor queef to make a statement defending him?
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It was his mom's gear. :confused:

When the FBI searched the suspect's home earlier Friday they found a cache of weapons, a Nazi flag, a ghillie suit, gas masks, and military sniper/survival manuals, the criminal complaint said.

Among the contraband allegedly found in the suspect's home during the search warrant were magazines, a shotgun, a rifle, a pistol, various knives and firearms accessories, according to the complaint.

Stob (his mother) also said the guns and tactical gear seized by the FBI in the search of Pietila's home this week belonged to her and her husband, not her son.

Denial isn't just a river.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
It was his mom's gear. :confused:

When the FBI searched the suspect's home earlier Friday they found a cache of weapons, a Nazi flag, a ghillie suit, gas masks, and military sniper/survival manuals, the criminal complaint said.

Among the contraband allegedly found in the suspect's home during the search warrant were magazines, a shotgun, a rifle, a pistol, various knives and firearms accessories, according to the complaint.

Stob (his mother) also said the guns and tactical gear seized by the FBI in the search of Pietila's home this week belonged to her and her husband, not her son.

Denial isn't just a river.
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If she ain't lyin' , they can just add her and her husband to the warrant :shock: the family that sprays lead together...
 
Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
One that was prevented

abcnews.go.com

Suspect arrested after FBI uncovers alleged mass shooting plot

A suspect who allegedly professed neo-Nazi ideologies online was arrested after federal investigators allege he planned a mass shooting.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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And good on them for doing so. FBI didn't miss this one. Maybe experience gained combing through the social media gutters looking for evidence to be used against Jan 6 perps will pay off by locating people who are planning a racially or anti-Semitic mass shooting and stopping them.

It would be interesting to hear from the "protect the 2A at any human cost" crowd how they feel about the FBI proactively stopping shootings.

It would be good if LEO got proactive stopping domestic abusers from murdering their families. There is usually plenty of evidence leading up to those acts too. Doesn't diminish the good done by the FBI in this story, just, if they can do it for one, maybe they can do it for others.
 
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cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
And god on them for doing so. FBI didn't miss this one. Maybe experience gained combing through the social media gutters looking for evidence to be used against Jan 6 perps will pay off by locating people who are planning a racially or anti-Semitic mass shooting and stopping them.

It would be interesting to hear from the "protect the 2A at any human cost" crowd how they feel about the FBI proactively stopping shootings.

It would be good if LEO got proactive stopping domestic abusers from murdering their families. There is usually plenty of evidence leading up to those acts too. Doesn't diminish the good done by the FBI in this story, just, if they can do it for one, maybe they can do it for others.
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One thing that hits me hard about current politics is that there are two narratives about the same set of facts, but with emphasis and conclusions split roughly along party lines. The two are incompatible; oil and water.

So I am not confident that the answers, should any be given, conform to what you and I perceive as reality.

Having spent decades in the 2A über alles camp myself, I know what I would have answered. In retrospect; it draws on one of the most pervasive of conservative dishonesties: “they brought this upon themselves.”
 
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Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1673409809767333896
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"the state would charge Lorincz with one count of manslaughter with a firearm and one count of assault."

Lorincz could get a 30 year sentence if found guilty but the defendant has already set the stage for getting off by invoking the Stand your Ground law.

She said she was scared.

That's all one has to say. I believe her too. After all, a Black woman who was her neighbor wanted to talk to Lorincz after she verbally abused her boy. No Florida jury could convict her. "I was scared". It works every time.
 
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Fogdog said:
"the state would charge Lorincz with one count of manslaughter with a firearm and one count of assault."

Lorincz could get a 30 year sentence if found guilty but the defendant has already set the stage for getting off by invoking the Stand your Ground law.

She said she was scared.

That's all one has to say. I believe her too. After all, a Black woman who was her neighbor wanted to talk to Lorincz after she verbally abused her boy. No Florida jury could convict her. "I was scared". It works every time.
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I was scared on the other side of the door (which I could have walked away from and go watch TV but decided to get my gun instead).
 
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printer said:
I was scared on the other side of the door (which I could have walked away from and go watch TV but decided to get my gun instead).
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uck

Yep, she had so many different options but chose deadly force. I don't doubt she got that gun in hand the moment she heard the voice and knew who it was. Probably guessed why her neighbor was there.

This gun culture thing. I know that most gun owners aren't like that but damn, some really screwed up people own guns.

One gun nut said I was a coward because I won't own one. However he got their, that's warped thinking.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
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Yep, she had so many different options but chose deadly force. I don't doubt she got that gun in hand the moment she heard the voice and knew who it was. Probably guessed why her neighbor was there.

This gun culture thing. Does it warp the way they think or was their way of thinking already warped before buying that gun "for self defense"?

One gun nut said I was a coward because I won't own one. However he got their, that's warped thinking.
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You're a coward because you won't own a gun? See how easy it is for some people to project their own problems onto anyone who doesn't agree with their insanity? magats follow a seditious, traitorous, conniving, lying con man....So they have to try to catch Biden doing the same shit, to validate themselves....It doesn't even occur to them that that would only make them both criminals, not justify the behavior of either one.
You can see for yourself the amazing lengths they go to to delude themselves, without even being aware that they're doing it. Numerous reporters and others have told jim jones right to his face that his claims are horseshit that carry NO weight, and he just keeps going, not even acknowledging what they just said. comer has brought so many stupidly wrong and ridiculous accusations, I'm amazed that even the fucknuts magats don't just tell him to shut the fuck up.
For republicans in general, and magats in particular, the truth is malleable, unless it is in their favor, and we all know how often that happens.
 
Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
You're a coward because you won't own a gun? See how easy it is for some people to project their own problems onto anyone who doesn't agree with their insanity? magats follow a seditious, traitorous, conniving, lying con man....So they have to try to catch Biden doing the same shit, to validate themselves....It doesn't even occur to them that that would only make them both criminals, not justify the behavior of either one.
You can see for yourself the amazing lengths they go to to delude themselves, without even being aware that they're doing it. Numerous reporters and others have told jim jones right to his face that his claims are horseshit that carry NO weight, and he just keeps going, not even acknowledging what they just said. comer has brought so many stupidly wrong and ridiculous accusations, I'm amazed that even the fucknuts magats don't just tell him to shut the fuck up.
For republicans in general, and magats in particular, the truth is malleable, unless it is in their favor, and we all know how often that happens.
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I changed my earlier post because it inferred that all gun owners are like that idiot woman.

People like her are why we are having to discuss tighter gun laws. A large number of people. maybe the majority of gun owners aren't like her and so I changed my earlier post to reflect that.

That gun nut who called me a coward was reacting to my calling him a coward for carrying a gun and making every body around him unsafe due to his irrational fear that he needed it for self defense. Maybe it was projection or maybe it was just a childish response from him.

My dad owned a gun "to protect his family". The thing is, the only people who ever saw it loaded and the end of that barrel pointed at them with intention were his family. He didn't shoot anybody but they were close things. I'm pretty sure that's the way if goes for most guns in people's households. One more mistake and it would have been a tragedy. People don't talk about the times they mistakenly pointed it at someone. Maybe they don't accept how close a thing it was because they didn't pull the trigger. But I'm willing to bet every gun owner has a story like my dad's.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
I changed my earlier post because it inferred that all gun owners are like that idiot woman.

People like her are why we are having to discuss tighter gun laws. A large number of people. maybe the majority of gun owners aren't like her and so I changed my earlier post to reflect that.

That gun nut who called me a coward was reacting to my calling him a coward for carrying a gun and making every body around him unsafe due to his irrational fear that he needed it for self defense. Maybe it was projection or maybe it was just a childish response from him.

My dad owned a gun "to protect his family". The thing is, the only people who ever saw it loaded and the end of that barrel pointed at them with intention were his family. He didn't shoot anybody but they were close things. I'm pretty sure that's the way if goes for most guns in people's households. One more mistake and it would have been a tragedy. People don't talk about the times they mistakenly pointed it at someone. Maybe they don't accept how close a thing it was because they didn't pull the trigger. But I'm willing to bet every gun owner has a story like my dad's.
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i don't have any kids in the house...so mine goes in a basket on my dresser with my wallet, keys, pocket knife, etc. If i leave it at home, it goes in the safe till i get back. When the kids come to visit, it goes into the safe, until they're on the way home again.
I've never been tempted to point it at a family member, I'm pretty good with yelling for a minute or two occasionally...Of course, i've never actually pointed it at anyone, because no one has pointed one at me, and that's the only reason i carry it.
 
cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
I changed my earlier post because it inferred that all gun owners are like that idiot woman.

People like her are why we are having to discuss tighter gun laws. A large number of people. maybe the majority of gun owners aren't like her and so I changed my earlier post to reflect that.

That gun nut who called me a coward was reacting to my calling him a coward for carrying a gun and making every body around him unsafe due to his irrational fear that he needed it for self defense. Maybe it was projection or maybe it was just a childish response from him.

My dad owned a gun "to protect his family". The thing is, the only people who ever saw it loaded and the end of that barrel pointed at them with intention were his family. He didn't shoot anybody but they were close things. I'm pretty sure that's the way if goes for most guns in people's households. One more mistake and it would have been a tragedy. People don't talk about the times they mistakenly pointed it at someone. Maybe they don't accept how close a thing it was because they didn't pull the trigger. But I'm willing to bet every gun owner has a story like my dad's.
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As a gun owner, I think her choice should land her a life sentence. Stand-your-ground should be subject to ordinary human decency.
 
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cannabineer said:
As a gun owner, I think her choice should land her a life sentence. Stand-your-ground should be subject to ordinary human decency.
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I'm willing to bet she thinks of herself as a decent human being. Human decency is different in Florida, I guess.

Ever since I read that the popcorn shooter won his case by invoking Florida's stand your ground law after killing a man for throwing popcorn in his face during an argument, those three words "I was scared". It became clear that those three words are both a shield for the gun owner and a death sentence for their object of fear. Note that only guns are allowed. Not fists, knives, blunt objects. But you can kill a person with a gun if you just say those three magic words to the police later.

It's very successful ploy in Florida but not 100%. She might not win. She might not have checked all the boxes in that law before pulling the trigger. Even so, because that law was on the books, she thought she could just kill somebody. Because she felt scared. As Printer pointed out, she had many other choices but she chose to take her neighbor's life. Just wait. She will invoke Florida's SYG law. And a lot of Floridians will rally around her, because to them, being scared and killing a person for scaring them, is what brave, decent (white) people do.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't have any kids in the house...so mine goes in a basket on my dresser with my wallet, keys, pocket knife, etc. If i leave it at home, it goes in the safe till i get back. When the kids come to visit, it goes into the safe, until they're on the way home again.
I've never been tempted to point it at a family member, I'm pretty good with yelling for a minute or two occasionally...Of course, i've never actually pointed it at anyone, because no one has pointed one at me, and that's the only reason i carry it.
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Your reason is exactly why I contemplated getting a gun. To protect myself from other gun owners. It's an emotional decision, not a rational one (see below). It also propagates the cycle of gun violence.

From a practical POV, It's very rare that a gun owner will successfully use their gun in self defense.

About 80 million people own a gun. In 2018, guns were successfully used in self defense 70,000 times or 0.0875% of gun owners used a gun in self defense. It's a tiny number. To put it in perspective, one can expect to flip a fair coin ten times and get heads every time 0.098% of the time.

For that, I should go through all the hassle of buying, maintaining, securing, practicing, finding the right holster, etc., all the while introducing other rare though larger risks that go along with it? It's your choice to make and maybe you live in an area that is much less safe that I do. But for me, no thanks.
 
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