Its actually true! Not only that but if you look it up i believe it was Philip Morris that already has a patent on Marley Brand cigarettes. And they already have a weed cigarette in the works just waiting for legalization called Marlborough blacks. I very much doubt Obama is going to help get herb legalized. There is just to much special interest vieing for it to stay illegal. I dont even know if it will happen in our life time at this rate. What ever i dont give a rats ass if it is legal or not. All i know is i love to smoke the stuff and i love to grow it just as much!LOL...I think he might have been kidding you. Just another Big Tobacco company inside joke...I'll bet'cha!!!
Will The Presidency Lift Federal Prohibition?
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CrackerJax
New Member
You are correct. Labels were made, assembly lines were altered in preparation, it was that close.
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misshestermoffitt
New Member
75 years ago today the prohibition on booze was lifted.
Maybe someday we can celebrate the prohibition on weed being lifted. I hope they hurry, I'm not getting any younger.
Maybe someday we can celebrate the prohibition on weed being lifted. I hope they hurry, I'm not getting any younger.
SeaOfGreen
Active Member
it doesn't hurt to do all you can, please enter info and contact your local rep about the decrim. of cannabis.
https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/136362-am-i-going-crazy-decriminalization.html
https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/136362-am-i-going-crazy-decriminalization.html
CrackerJax
New Member
If ever there was a political alignment towards decrim, it is now. We'll see, this is almost a repeat of the early Carter years demographically.
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I think you are right about that Cracker Jack. If the so called "stars" were ever aligned its now...If ever there was a political alignment towards decrim, it is now. We'll see, this is almost a repeat of the early Carter years demographically.
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NomadicSky
Well-Known Member
I doubt Obama would risk setting off the Xian right like that.
People actually believe cannabis is the same as crack and meth, I did once myself.
People actually believe cannabis is the same as crack and meth, I did once myself.
NomadicSky
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't buy their weed they'd load it down with chemicals like they did with tobacco if it was legal I'd loose my fear and grow it.
CrackerJax
New Member
But that's not how it would have been set up. Grows would still be a no go. Same with what would then be "black market" buying and selling. Of course the price would fall out so bootlegging would cease to exist.
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monkeyboy22
Active Member
but you can brew your own beer just cant sell it legally so why cant we legalize and grow our own??
in any case as I said in the other thread I really believe that Obama will help fix this issue...
the main reason prohibition was lifted on alcohol wasnt just because of increased crime but because of the Great Depression and everyone seeing just how much money was being wasted trying to keep prohibition going but also money lost due to not being able to tax the money being made by the bootleggers..
I personally think Obama has something going for us already and we just wont know until it happens. By this I mean that he has always said he wouldnt waste fed money to keep going after decrim states and during his campaign for presidency and even now as pres elect he keeps letting us know just how much he wants to cut funding for programs that dont work and CHANGE gov to be smarter... me and apparently at least 63% of americans feel that the "war on drugs" has been a waste of money so what better program to cut spending on
an easy way for this to happen without raising eyebrows would be for him to not actually talk about the subject itself but rather lump it in with the overall economic reform and then out of nowhere it gets passed.. we all are happy.. and those who were against it (likely repub) cant believe they voted for it but thought they had no choice cause the majority was already going with it and they didnt want to be voting against econ reform... lol
the main thing that we can do if we really truely want this to happen is to get out there and let everyone know what is up and also to make sure that we keep letting those in charge of this gov that the majority think that this war on drugs is rediculous and that if they want to keep our vote for them to stay in office the next time around they had better do what the people want
go to the following link for an easy way to write your local state rep http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=11280301
also you can go to change.gov (obama's website) and let them know in their blogs how you feel... also CNN and AOL blogs are a good place to get people talking
in any case as I said in the other thread I really believe that Obama will help fix this issue...
the main reason prohibition was lifted on alcohol wasnt just because of increased crime but because of the Great Depression and everyone seeing just how much money was being wasted trying to keep prohibition going but also money lost due to not being able to tax the money being made by the bootleggers..
I personally think Obama has something going for us already and we just wont know until it happens. By this I mean that he has always said he wouldnt waste fed money to keep going after decrim states and during his campaign for presidency and even now as pres elect he keeps letting us know just how much he wants to cut funding for programs that dont work and CHANGE gov to be smarter... me and apparently at least 63% of americans feel that the "war on drugs" has been a waste of money so what better program to cut spending on
an easy way for this to happen without raising eyebrows would be for him to not actually talk about the subject itself but rather lump it in with the overall economic reform and then out of nowhere it gets passed.. we all are happy.. and those who were against it (likely repub) cant believe they voted for it but thought they had no choice cause the majority was already going with it and they didnt want to be voting against econ reform... lol
the main thing that we can do if we really truely want this to happen is to get out there and let everyone know what is up and also to make sure that we keep letting those in charge of this gov that the majority think that this war on drugs is rediculous and that if they want to keep our vote for them to stay in office the next time around they had better do what the people want
go to the following link for an easy way to write your local state rep http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=11280301
also you can go to change.gov (obama's website) and let them know in their blogs how you feel... also CNN and AOL blogs are a good place to get people talking
snyder007
Well-Known Member
I wouldnt hold your breath.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292
Looks like more empty promises and more of the same old bullshit. Fuck the government and fuck politics.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292
Looks like more empty promises and more of the same old bullshit. Fuck the government and fuck politics.
monkeyboy22
Active Member
seriously you cant bash the guy yet.. he didnt have all the facts before becoming pres elect and also he hasnt really taken any action on anything yet since he cant till Jan 20th..
I say we at least give him a few months in office before we start bashing.. at least then we will know wtf the guy is really about since he will have had time to prove himself...
I say we at least give him a few months in office before we start bashing.. at least then we will know wtf the guy is really about since he will have had time to prove himself...
this guy is right. no. we won't see mj legal like alcohol. medical.. ya with tighter restrictions if you get busted without 'poper papers'. med card or whatever. already states that have legalized medical made even harsher punishments they currently had for people that get caught that aren't supposed to have it. the fact is, trade freedom for security.I'll give a nice clean and simple answer. No.
It's a non issue right now. Neither candidate had to talk about weed on the trail. Politicians almost always take the path of least resistance. So,..... no.
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larger government = security = less freedom.
no goverenment = no parents = more freedom.
more freedom = more responisbility.
americans aren't responisible = deserve less freedom = needs more parents = bigger government.
hope that helps.
* when we lessen government we increase our freedom *
edit: i hope i AM wrong and we do see it legal.. but i just don't believe it's going to be that soon... if it is.. HOORAY..
CrackerJax
New Member
but you can brew your own beer just cant sell it legally so why cant we legalize and grow our own??
in any case as I said in the other thread I really believe that Obama will help fix this issue...
the main reason prohibition was lifted on alcohol wasnt just because of increased crime but because of the Great Depression and everyone seeing just how much money was being wasted trying to keep prohibition going but also money lost due to not being able to tax the money being made by the bootleggers..
I personally think Obama has something going for us already and we just wont know until it happens. By this I mean that he has always said he wouldnt waste fed money to keep going after decrim states and during his campaign for presidency and even now as pres elect he keeps letting us know just how much he wants to cut funding for programs that dont work and CHANGE gov to be smarter... me and apparently at least 63% of americans feel that the "war on drugs" has been a waste of money so what better program to cut spending on
an easy way for this to happen without raising eyebrows would be for him to not actually talk about the subject itself but rather lump it in with the overall economic reform and then out of nowhere it gets passed.. we all are happy.. and those who were against it (likely repub) cant believe they voted for it but thought they had no choice cause the majority was already going with it and they didnt want to be voting against econ reform... lol
the main thing that we can do if we really truely want this to happen is to get out there and let everyone know what is up and also to make sure that we keep letting those in charge of this gov that the majority think that this war on drugs is rediculous and that if they want to keep our vote for them to stay in office the next time around they had better do what the people want
go to the following link for an easy way to write your local state rep http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=11280301
also you can go to change.gov (obama's website) and let them know in their blogs how you feel... also CNN and AOL blogs are a good place to get people talking
I just read an interesting article about prohibition and its repeal. It wasn't so much about the money, it was the crime. The abolitionists themselves detested alcohol but in the end saw the destructive powers of prohibition. Beer still flowed just as plentiful, but the world became a seedy place. Prisons filled up with neighbors.... (sound familiar?).
There was one difference from todays situation. The prohibition lasted only 15 years. People could remember what it was like before it. This is not the case today. I will bet the majority of posters here do not remember a time before the drug war.
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monkeyboy22
Active Member
but you see that is exactly the point... without the money to be made from bootlegging there would have been no bootleggers (not worth time/money to reap no reward) no bootlegging would have meant no crime resulting from bootlegging and no money to create speakeasy's.. again money is and always will be the big factor why prohibition wont and cant work... there is just too much money to be made when there is a high demand for a product that is deemed illegal and hard to get/find/make. you stated that beer still came in however it wasnt beer but rather harder alcohol (wiskey etc) which created lots of alc poisonings as well as put many neighbors in jail also there were more speakeasys created after prohib than there were bars before prohib.
if you legalize something the money is still being made but it is being made legally and if the penalties are harsher for selling to minors (like alc or cig) there is MUCH less need/want for a black market since not many really wants to go to jail or commit a crime... i mean who would really want to buy their smoke illegally underground when you could go to a cafe or such and buy legally?
problem especially with MJ is that its not hard to grow if you are willing to take the risk (unfortunately I'm not
) as anyone can tell fromt he grows posted on this site and so the end result has to be the legalization at some point cause the gov just doesnt have the money anymore to keep dumping into a losing battle...someone mentioned earlier that there would bemore chemicals in legal pot... I cant agree with this any less since there would likely be some type of regulations for growing or at least over time some such regulations would have to come about.
CrackerJax
New Member
Hey, I'm not arguing with you .
The trick is to get a product with a 5000% profit margin into the mainstream. So far it hasn't been done.
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. The trick is to get a product with a 5000% profit margin into the mainstream. So far it hasn't been done.
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monkeyboy22
Active Member
wasnt arguing with you either really just trying to make sure that we all have our facts straight so that we can spead the TRUTHHey, I'm not arguing with you
The trick is to get a product with a 5000% profit margin into the mainstream. So far it hasn't been done.
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edit - I just wanted to touch on the whole mass production issue about quality and such...
I really dont think that it will be much different with MJ that it is with alc and tabacco.. there is a lot of different booze and cigarette/cigars out there that can vary in quality and price greatly depending on lots of factors. The same can be said about MJ. 9 times out of ten the higher priced alc/tobacco will be much higher quality but usually made in much smaller batches.. then there is that 1 time out of ten where you find a drink or a certain cigar that you really enjoy that just so happens to be mass produced and cheap. It's all about what people are willing to pay for. If its legal and everything out is crap then the black market will either continue or MANY more people will grow their own in hopes of comming up with something better. However it could also be noticed by the companies growing the slump in sales due to shitty herb and they make things better for the sake of keeping us happy to keep their business going...
btw- i was an econ and social studies major hense my long winded posts... sorry to all who suffer through reading them.. now go smoke a joint
misshestermoffitt
New Member
The truth is, until the politicians stop being the puppets of the corporations, nothing will change.
CrackerJax
New Member
Yes, it's much better when the corporations are puppets of the Government ..
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