Trump To Turn Himself In

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying stupid is not a factor, people can be both evil and stupid, but many of them know better but don't give a fuck or want to. If it were true, then the American south and red states would have a disproportionate number of morons, by quite a bit too! With Trump the level of stupid required went way up! There are plenty of smart magats, they aren't morons, they are racists.
i think most intelligent people who are racists probably don't give a fuck about trump, as long as the plan goes forward. They'll hoot and holler, and troll, but that's just for effect. They know trump is a fucking fool, he was just a fucking fool who could have potentially, accidentally, delivered exactly what they wanted. Fortunately, that didn't occur, but it wasn't for lack of them trying.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
i think most intelligent people who are racists probably don't give a fuck about trump, as long as the plan goes forward. They'll hoot and holler, and troll, but that's just for effect. They know trump is a fucking fool, he was just a fucking fool who could have potentially, accidentally, delivered exactly what they wanted. Fortunately, that didn't occur, but it wasn't for lack of them trying.
Evil and stupid we agree on, it just the exact proportions... :lol:
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Aaaaaaaaaaah,wasn't it a Rep. administration that "formalized" US diplomatic relations w/China, plenty of blame to throw around w/China,in the end it was a US experiment to have access to cheaper products while simutaneously lifting rural agrarian based Chinese out of poverty in the hopes that this"upward mobility" would promote a tilt from Communism to Democracy.Promoting Democracy through the hearts and minds process has been naive to say the least.
+rep:clap:
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Perhaps an unlocked cell, they work 8-hour shifts and can go home, he can't. They will put him in the section with the perverts and child molesters, so he won't be out of place and will be safe enough. If the judge jails Donald, the SS will have to make the best arrangements it can with the bailiff or US marshals, depending on the court. What happens if Donald tells the judge to fuck off or I don't recognize this court and tries to walk out? "I'm sorry Mr. Trump, you get to go back to Mar A largo for 90 days", won't be the response. It is easier and cheaper for the SS to guard Donald when he is in a cage and a cage it will be. There is no provision in the law for Ex presidents, they are regular citizens, the only consideration would be for his SS detail and that could be removed if he is in the custody of the court, state or federal.
And the answer is..


  • As Trump's legal problems mount, ex-Secret Service agents wonder who would protect him in prison.
  • Trump is running for president in 2024, and would likely retain a Secret Service detail if he's in state or federal custody.
  • The agents probably wouldn't share a cell with Trump, but they could be nearby.
  • Visit Insider's homepage for more stories.
Is an agent going to be with him inside a cell? No," said the former Secret Service official, who guessed that Trump would wind up in a "country club-type place" if he's convicted. But there would likely be at least one agent on the property to protect the president, even if that person isn't "walking on his shoulder out in the yard."

Such a job isn't likely to be a coveted assignment for any Secret Service agent, that person said, unless they're also studying to get their master's degree. "I would think you'd have a lot of time to do some reading."
He would have a target on his back'
Security experts don't expect Trump would be tossed into the fray with other prisoners.

"He would certainly not be part of the general population," said Ken Gray, a retired FBI special agent who served 24 years in the bureau.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
And the answer is..


  • As Trump's legal problems mount, ex-Secret Service agents wonder who would protect him in prison.
  • Trump is running for president in 2024, and would likely retain a Secret Service detail if he's in state or federal custody.
  • The agents probably wouldn't share a cell with Trump, but they could be nearby.
  • Visit Insider's homepage for more stories.
Is an agent going to be with him inside a cell? No," said the former Secret Service official, who guessed that Trump would wind up in a "country club-type place" if he's convicted. But there would likely be at least one agent on the property to protect the president, even if that person isn't "walking on his shoulder out in the yard."

Such a job isn't likely to be a coveted assignment for any Secret Service agent, that person said, unless they're also studying to get their master's degree. "I would think you'd have a lot of time to do some reading."
He would have a target on his back'
Security experts don't expect Trump would be tossed into the fray with other prisoners.

"He would certainly not be part of the general population," said Ken Gray, a retired FBI special agent who served 24 years in the bureau.
no g-pop! So much for the man of the people.
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
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The live chat is most excellent:fire:

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Holy macaroni, that's incredible.

Fuck yeah brothers, give the billionaire some more money to stick it to the libs. Hahaha

Edit: curious how the culture wars against gay and trans people go. Do you suddenly start viewing your gay sibling as a child molester after 50 years of being super close. Reject your trans kid that you love and supported, because the TV yells at you to not be woke. Idk, it's another wedge that I think will peel people away from the party...and/or create some horrible family dynamics.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Don't send Donald to prison yet, let him win the GOP nomination or look like he is going to and then pull the rug from out under their feet! His trials may take months, but the Mar a largo one over the docs and obstruction should be brief...

This gives some insight to the balance between evil and stupid in the GOP.


Trump’s beer track advantage over Ron DeSantis
The divide quickly defining the GOP primary.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ pre-campaign campaign for president has hit the skids — particularly among key blocs of voters he’ll need to dethrone former President Donald Trump next year.

Polls show Trump dominating his likely primary competitor among GOP voters in the so-called “beer track” — a shorthand for the cultural and socioeconomic characteristics of the bloc of voters with lower incomes and levels of educational attainment. While DeSantis is still the preferred candidate of high-income voters and those with college degrees, he is showing signs of bleeding there, too. In recent weeks, Trump’s numbers have been rising among all Republicans, including with GOP voters most skeptical of his candidacy in the so-called “wine track.”

Take, for example, this week’s Quinnipiac University poll which shows Trump leading DeSantis, 46 percent to 32 percent, with the other candidates each registering 5 percent or less. Trump had just a 6-point lead in Quinnipiac’s poll last month.


Trump has a 17-point lead among Republicans without a college degree (up from a 10-point lead in February). And while DeSantis still leads among voters with a four-year degree, 40 percent to 28 percent, Trump has significantly cut into what was a 29-point deficit with those voters in the past month.

Even were he not able to make inroads on DeSantis’ turf, Trump has an inherent advantage. A decades-long realignment has pushed college-educated voters toward Democrats — an already-existing trend that Trump accelerated — making the GOP’s “beer track” the larger cohort among Republican primary voters. Such divides defined the 2016 GOP presidential primary, propelling Trump to a once-unlikely nomination and, ultimately, the presidency.

It’s obviously still early in the 2024 contest: DeSantis isn’t even a declared candidate yet, and most of the new polls were conducted prior to the news that Trump may soon face criminal charges in New York related to an alleged hush-money payment he made during his 2016 campaign to hide an extramarital affair. Other potential legal troubles loom on the horizon.

Moreover, though the overall trends have been good for Trump, there’s little consensus in the national polling, with some surveys showing him and DeSantis essentially neck-and-neck, while others suggest the former president has a firm grasp on his third straight GOP nomination.

But even if the campaign hasn’t officially started, the recent polling trends do provide positive data for Trump and troubling numbers for DeSantis.

Of the three major media and academic surveys released in the past two weeks — from CNN, Monmouth University and Quinnipiac University — two of them have trend data showing a Trump bump over the past month.

In addition to the Quinnipiac survey, the Monmouth poll released this week showed Trump leading the Florida governor by 1 point, erasing a 13-point, head-to-head disadvantage with DeSantis compared to the school’s February poll. (Similarly, among the full field of candidates, Trump led DeSantis by 14 points in the new poll, compared to a tie last month.)

Some of the most dramatic swings toward Trump came among the groups where DeSantis had his biggest advantages. In the February Monmouth poll, DeSantis’ lead over Trump in the two-way matchup was 28 points among voters who make $50,000 a year or more. But he only leads Trump now by 2 points in this group, a 26-point swing. (Trump has a double-digit lead over Republican voters making less than $50,000 a year.)

The Monmouth poll, however, still shows DeSantis with a large lead among voters with college degrees, 62 percent to 30 percent — similar to his advantage among this group last month.

A CNN poll out last week was better for DeSantis, showing the two men neck-and-neck. DeSantis led Trump by 18 points among white voters with college degrees, though other candidates received significant support among this bloc, including former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (14 percent) and former Vice President Mike Pence (8 percent).

There’s also a large sample, rolling tracking poll from the online firm Morning Consult, which shows Trump with a much larger — and growing — lead over DeSantis, underscoring some of the variance among the public survey data, but still with the trend moving in Trump’s direction.

While the same class divide among Republicans exists as in 2016, polls suggest it’s even bigger now. In the 28 states where the TV networks commissioned entrance or exit polls in the 2016 caucuses and primaries, Trump was backed by 47 percent of voters without college degrees, compared to 35 percent of those with college degrees.

What might be even better news from Trump is that the beer track vote is growing as a share of the GOP electorate. While college graduates made up a majority of Republican caucus-goers and primary voters in recent cycles, larger political realignments will likely mean that in most states, GOP voters without college degrees will outnumber those who have graduated from college next year.

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schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Holy macaroni, that's incredible.

Fuck yeah brothers, give the billionaire some more money to stick it to the libs. Hahaha

Edit: curious how the culture wars against gay and trans people go. Do you suddenly start viewing your gay sibling as a child molester after 50 years of being super close. Reject your trans kid that you love and supported, because the TV yells at you to not be woke. Idk, it's another wedge that I think will peel people away from the party...and/or create some horrible family dynamics.
We get to watch up close and personal- probably his last but if @DIY-HP-LED gets his wish, he'll be around long enough to take out DeSantis.

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Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Don't send Donald to prison yet, let him win the GOP nomination or look like he is going to and then pull the rug from out under their feet! His trials may take months, but the Mar a largo one over the docs and obstruction should be brief...

This gives some insight to the balance between evil and stupid in the GOP.


Trump’s beer track advantage over Ron DeSantis
The divide quickly defining the GOP primary.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ pre-campaign campaign for president has hit the skids — particularly among key blocs of voters he’ll need to dethrone former President Donald Trump next year.

Polls show Trump dominating his likely primary competitor among GOP voters in the so-called “beer track” — a shorthand for the cultural and socioeconomic characteristics of the bloc of voters with lower incomes and levels of educational attainment. While DeSantis is still the preferred candidate of high-income voters and those with college degrees, he is showing signs of bleeding there, too. In recent weeks, Trump’s numbers have been rising among all Republicans, including with GOP voters most skeptical of his candidacy in the so-called “wine track.”

Take, for example, this week’s Quinnipiac University poll which shows Trump leading DeSantis, 46 percent to 32 percent, with the other candidates each registering 5 percent or less. Trump had just a 6-point lead in Quinnipiac’s poll last month.


Trump has a 17-point lead among Republicans without a college degree (up from a 10-point lead in February). And while DeSantis still leads among voters with a four-year degree, 40 percent to 28 percent, Trump has significantly cut into what was a 29-point deficit with those voters in the past month.

Even were he not able to make inroads on DeSantis’ turf, Trump has an inherent advantage. A decades-long realignment has pushed college-educated voters toward Democrats — an already-existing trend that Trump accelerated — making the GOP’s “beer track” the larger cohort among Republican primary voters. Such divides defined the 2016 GOP presidential primary, propelling Trump to a once-unlikely nomination and, ultimately, the presidency.

It’s obviously still early in the 2024 contest: DeSantis isn’t even a declared candidate yet, and most of the new polls were conducted prior to the news that Trump may soon face criminal charges in New York related to an alleged hush-money payment he made during his 2016 campaign to hide an extramarital affair. Other potential legal troubles loom on the horizon.

Moreover, though the overall trends have been good for Trump, there’s little consensus in the national polling, with some surveys showing him and DeSantis essentially neck-and-neck, while others suggest the former president has a firm grasp on his third straight GOP nomination.

But even if the campaign hasn’t officially started, the recent polling trends do provide positive data for Trump and troubling numbers for DeSantis.

Of the three major media and academic surveys released in the past two weeks — from CNN, Monmouth University and Quinnipiac University — two of them have trend data showing a Trump bump over the past month.

In addition to the Quinnipiac survey, the Monmouth poll released this week showed Trump leading the Florida governor by 1 point, erasing a 13-point, head-to-head disadvantage with DeSantis compared to the school’s February poll. (Similarly, among the full field of candidates, Trump led DeSantis by 14 points in the new poll, compared to a tie last month.)

Some of the most dramatic swings toward Trump came among the groups where DeSantis had his biggest advantages. In the February Monmouth poll, DeSantis’ lead over Trump in the two-way matchup was 28 points among voters who make $50,000 a year or more. But he only leads Trump now by 2 points in this group, a 26-point swing. (Trump has a double-digit lead over Republican voters making less than $50,000 a year.)

The Monmouth poll, however, still shows DeSantis with a large lead among voters with college degrees, 62 percent to 30 percent — similar to his advantage among this group last month.

A CNN poll out last week was better for DeSantis, showing the two men neck-and-neck. DeSantis led Trump by 18 points among white voters with college degrees, though other candidates received significant support among this bloc, including former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (14 percent) and former Vice President Mike Pence (8 percent).

There’s also a large sample, rolling tracking poll from the online firm Morning Consult, which shows Trump with a much larger — and growing — lead over DeSantis, underscoring some of the variance among the public survey data, but still with the trend moving in Trump’s direction.

While the same class divide among Republicans exists as in 2016, polls suggest it’s even bigger now. In the 28 states where the TV networks commissioned entrance or exit polls in the 2016 caucuses and primaries, Trump was backed by 47 percent of voters without college degrees, compared to 35 percent of those with college degrees.

What might be even better news from Trump is that the beer track vote is growing as a share of the GOP electorate. While college graduates made up a majority of Republican caucus-goers and primary voters in recent cycles, larger political realignments will likely mean that in most states, GOP voters without college degrees will outnumber those who have graduated from college next year.

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polls like that have no predictive value for who wins the GOP primary.
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
The narrative makes sense though. It was a group of some shitty people and some regular ones. The group moved further towards being shitty, pushing out the regulars. It makes for a more homogenous group that has coalesced around being shitty, so within that population segment the worst person will win. However, the prize for competition they won was to go on to the next level where it isn't a self selected group of garbage.

While I do expect a bunch of republicans to go running back as soon as they dump trump, the party isn't the same as pre 2016 and I don't think they can go back. They tacked hard to push out the moderates, and there has been zero indication besides some "why did we lose" post mortems that they are going to change course. MTG has more sway than Mitch with the direction they are going. You saw it in the fox news text leaks as well, the crazies have enough sway that they are driving the car and will push out anyone that doesn't go along.
 

bugzbean

Well-Known Member
The narrative makes sense though. It was a group of some shitty people and some regular ones. The group moved further towards being shitty, pushing out the regulars. It makes for a more homogenous group that has coalesced around being shitty, so within that population segment the worst person will win. However, the prize for competition they won was to go on to the next level where it isn't a self selected group of garbage.

While I do expect a bunch of republicans to go running back as soon as they dump trump, the party isn't the same as pre 2016 and I don't think they can go back. They tacked hard to push out the moderates, and there has been zero indication besides some "why did we lose" post mortems that they are going to change course. MTG has more sway than Mitch with the direction they are going. You saw it in the fox news text leaks as well, the crazies have enough sway that they are driving the car and will push out anyone that doesn't go along.
Sounds eerily like what happened to the democrat party.
Wonder if that's the nefarious plan afoot.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The narrative makes sense though. It was a group of some shitty people and some regular ones. The group moved further towards being shitty, pushing out the regulars. It makes for a more homogenous group that has coalesced around being shitty, so within that population segment the worst person will win. However, the prize for competition they won was to go on to the next level where it isn't a self selected group of garbage.

While I do expect a bunch of republicans to go running back as soon as they dump trump, the party isn't the same as pre 2016 and I don't think they can go back. They tacked hard to push out the moderates, and there has been zero indication besides some "why did we lose" post mortems that they are going to change course. MTG has more sway than Mitch with the direction they are going. You saw it in the fox news text leaks as well, the crazies have enough sway that they are driving the car and will push out anyone that doesn't go along.
They drove all their moderates out to the point where the Democrats now have Manchin, who would have been a middle-of-the-Republican-road pol in Clinton days.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
polls like that have no predictive value for who wins the GOP primary.
There is a long time until the GOP primary and I expect Donald will be long gone by then, or well on his way, unfortunately. Promoting division in the GOP will mean a win for the democrats in 24 and Donald is uniquely positioned to do that, even with a bull moose run for POTUS from a cell. Things are so tight in national politics that just 10% of the republican base defecting to Trump would be a disaster for them. Donald is going to prison, and he will be desperate and will do anything to avoid it or get out, nothing would be off the table.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Yes we also snuck Trump into the Republican Party after being a Democrat for decades
We did this so we can mock his support forever
Finally someone figured it out
They are on to the T2000 plan to destroy the GOP in America, Donald was created in a secret deep state lab and designed to destroy the republican party as part of a liberal plot to make America woke! They did their work too well and created a monster!
 
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