Wet Trim Dry (Paperbag) vs Dry Trim (Hanging)

KrAzY Buds

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I have just completed my 4th grow! Each one has been a little different each time, and Ive been using several techniques to learn as I grow. Just to preface, this particular grow started from seed inside, was sexed, and then put back into vegetation outdoor. I did not use any fertilizer, and grew with Fox Farms Coco Loco potting soil. I used two different drying methods.

Before I culled everything, I took a few branches and wet trimmed them, following by using a large paper bag to single layer the trimmed buds. There was lots of space in the bag and nothing was layered. I placed them in a non controlled environment where the average humidity was around 60-65 and temperature about 70F. They were left in the bag to dry for about 9-10 days before jarring. Each day the folded bags were shaken up to avoid any mold. The result was pretty tight and dense buds! The kind of ‘bag appeal‘ you would typically find at a dispensary While there was still a natural aroma to them, it was not very pungent, but definitely not hay-like.

The rest of my harvest was hung, fan leaves and all, in a mostly controlled environment. With a dehumidifier, humidity stayed at about 55 degrees on average with around 64-69F temperature. I waited until day 7 to take down and trim, followed by jarring. When I took a few sample buds and jarred them, the hydrometer was reading around 60h, so right about the exact humidity they should be to begin curing. I noticed tho that my buds were not very dense as they were drying, and almost “stringy” or loose to break apart. Like ribs cooked in a crockpot, kinda falling right off the bone is the best way to describe how they felt. Some of the denser buds stayed well compacted, but were not as tight as the paper bagged buds. While I wouodnt say the buds were too loose, they definitely did not exhibit the same kind of bag appeal as the other used method. A fuller aroma was maintained more than the other buds as well. There was close to no light in the dry room, but not completely dark. I am now 3 weeks into the cure and the result has not changed much. The humidity in the jars is right around 56-58 and they do not seem to feel completely dry to me.

I write all that to ask, how I can make my hanging buds dense like the bagged dry method?

I learned by researching that hang drying is the best method to dry because it is better to dry slow. My personal experience showed me tho that method used does not provide the same results as the bag dried that I prefer. I know the environment can better be controlled, so I am hoping that factor was what prevented the buds from tightening better? I found the aroma was better maintained and I found trimming to be much easier. (Just my opinion).

The bag dried buds lost a bit of their smell but have since increased during the cure. I like how the buds are well compacted and break apart more like buds I would buy. I have rarely had buds that are loose like the ones I hung to dry. Its just the buds that dried in a higher humidity environment compacted better than the lower humidity with both around the same temps. Just curious as to what everyone thinks as to why I got the results I did and what I can do to get that same bag dried compact buds with the slower method of drying. Thanks!image.jpgimage.jpg0CCA73AB-BD0A-4942-929E-7843D63CA100.jpegCABFCB16-1BF0-4088-98DA-C5D5816E0FE9.jpegC920A162-6B31-4585-8A20-F92E2E5E74D1.jpegE88C9F24-61F1-4265-B4D7-DA532419E45E.jpeg
 

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lusidghost

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The only thing I could think of that would cause a denser bud would the colas getting pressed under their own weight and compacting a little on the bottom side.
 

KrAzY Buds

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The only thing I could think of that would cause a denser bud would the colas getting pressed under their own weight and compacting a little on the bottom side.
Thats a good possibility come to think about it. All sides end up being the bottom tho from being turned and shaken daily. Is it common from all bag dried buds to become as tight as mine got? Or has anyone bag dried theirs and gotten fluffy results?
 

lusidghost

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Thats a good possibility come to think about it. All sides end up being the bottom tho from being turned and shaken daily. Is it common from all bag dried buds to become as tight as mine got? Or has anyone bag dried theirs and gotten fluffy results?
I've never dried anything in a bag, but I do have a screen that I throw larf and little detached nugs onto. They never look as pretty as the hanging buds because one side is getting mashed. Regardless, I know what will be dense and what won't before I even chop the plant.
 

KrAzY Buds

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Im only trying to obtain a fuller understanding of whats going on. I provided exact conditions and pictures to demonstrate what Id like to know. Im having a hard time wrapping around my head precisely why my buds became compact and tight when I bag dried them more than air dried. Same area of plant, just different dry conditions.

What were the factors that may have contributed to this?
 

OldMedUser

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Im only trying to obtain a fuller understanding of whats going on. I provided exact conditions and pictures to demonstrate what Id like to know. Im having a hard time wrapping around my head precisely why my buds became compact and tight when I bag dried them more than air dried. Same area of plant, just different dry conditions.

What were the factors that may have contributed to this?
I use doubled up paper bags in my cool basement to slowly dry my fresh buds for at least 3 weeks or more and they are still moist enough to form a big clump when I put them in a tobacco can to burp them for another month.

For the first week I'll dump them out in a clean plant pot tray to air dry for an hour or so then back in the bag. Inside the bag it's high humidity even if my basement is only 15%rh @ 55F. When it's that dry I'll even keep the bags inside a rubbermaid tub with the lid on loose. Up to 100g of wet bud per bag makes about 25g of dry bud at the end.

I've been hang drying some as most of my pot is going to be made into oils then used in edibles and other meds. The bagged ones are definitely denser than the air dried ones and I'm pretty sure I know why. When they dry faster the sugar leaves stay more erect and makes the buds less dense. When they slow dry in moist conditions they can shrink slowly and form around the flowers pulling the bud in tighter. A slow dry and cure makes the pot smoke a lot smoother and the smells once cured are amazing compared to hang dry bud.

Some OG#18 I grew a few years back.

Pre-trim stuff.

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Fresh trimmed.

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A week or two into burping. Was my fave smoke for quite a while but have found new faves since. :)

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These days I just cure a few of the top colas and the rest get a quick trim just to remove anything without sugar on it then into the oil pot.

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KrAzY Buds

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When they dry faster the sugar leaves stay more erect and makes the buds less dense. When they slow dry in moist conditions they can shrink slowly and form around the flowers pulling the bud in tighter.
I appreciate the write up. It looks like you had some great results!

As I am still pretty new to growing, there is still so much room for improvement. Even though I created a small controlled dry room when I hung them up, they definitely dried faster than anticipated. What I used to gauge how dry they were was taking samples and threw them in a jar with a hydrometer. I was getting an average reading of about 58-60rh so thats how I determined it was time to cure. 7 days I had them drying, with room conditions that should have allowed them to dry slower.

My bagged bud tho was in a higher humidity (65ish) non controlled and warmer environment, and I let those go about 9 days or so before jarring. So it seems like you said with more moister conditions, the bagged bud was able to tighten itself up better than the hang dried. Im just a bit confused tho because what Ive read, the hang dry approach should have done what the bagged buds did and Im not exactly sure why I got the results I did. The temp was not low, nor high, (65F) and the humidity right where I thought it should be (55%).

What do you think I could improve upon my hang dry method to create the same results as the bagged buds? Colder temp and higher humidity?
 

OldMedUser

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What do you think I could improve upon my hang dry method to create the same results as the bagged buds? Colder temp and higher humidity?
That's what works for me. I've gone as long as 5 weeks in bags before jarring still moist for some of the tastiest buds but it is a PITA to mind them as mould is always a threat. If something does start to mould I'll dry it quick and use it for oil unless it is really covered in mould then I take the hit and toss it out. I've only had to toss a couple oz worth out of dozens of batches.

The curing mainly happens while the buds are wet/moist so the biological processes that break down the starches to sugars and the chlorophyll to whatever it becomes have time to do their thing. Once the buds dry those processes stop. You can re-hydrate the buds but that just moistens them and does not reactivate those processes. Then you're just aging the buds like what happens with wine after fermentation stops.

A trick I came up with this year for my outdoor plants I chopped down and hung to dry in my carport was after a few days I used clear, unscented cheap garbage bags from Canadian Tire to cover them. Just tore a bit of a hole in the centre of the bottom for the main stem to stick through and left the bags open at the bottom. That seemed to keep the colas moist while allowing some air circulation as air could escape at the top thru the hole in the bottom of the bag. No more outdoor growing for me with hemp fields just down the road. Plants were really stunted compared to last year and I didn't know why until I started trimming one up and found it full of useless seeds. Four of them are still in their bags hanging in my basement. So many bugs in the buds too and it's a real PITA brushing them out as I go along. Takes forever. I'll have to do something with them soon as there's about a pound or more bud between them.

Fem autos called Mazarilla by Urban Legends. GG#4 auto x Mazar auto.

Chopping day.

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Before switching to paper bags I used empty cigarette tube boxes lined with wax paper. Both had holes poked in them for some release of moisture and would hold around 100g of fresh trimmed buds. I'd have them packed really full as the buds shrink fast as they dry so the boxes would be just full to the top after a few days. Dumped out into a tray for a while each day in the first week or so, (do the same with double-bagged buds), then every 2nd day or so until they were only losing about 1g/day of weight then was time to jar up. Mason jars aren't the best for curing/burping as tehy have a shoulder inside that can make it hard to get a mass of buds out without manhandling them. I use plastic tobacco cans as they are smooth with a very light taper from bottom to top and the mass just slides right out.

This 200g can holds 2L and they make great plant pots with a bunch of holes drilled in the bottoms. I weigh them and write the Tare Wt. on the bottom.

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No holes in the box's ends or bottoms but the waxed paper perforated with my Fiskar trim scissors all over. Data related to each type of bud on a piece of sticky note paper stuck on the top then weighed before adding any bud. These actually gave me longer dry times but we don't use tubes anymore so switched to bags.

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I could line them up on top of the gas pipe down in the basement to keep them up and out of the way. The trim would go into paper bags.

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Some people use mason jars with some cheesecloth held on with the ring and keep them in a fridge. Only half full or so then they are easier to shake a bit to loosen a clump for dumping out for a little air drying and mixing. I haven't tried that yet.

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