HGCC
Well-Known Member
I dont even have faith you could find 12 people that think the earth is round anymore.
We are stuck in the stupidest time line.
Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants
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We are stuck in the stupidest time line.
hanimmal
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Mueller wasn't allowed to actually be direct though is the problem. Barr came out immediately and stopped the investigation (that was also not allowed to investigate any actual money trails they stumbled across) and send out his selectively edited propaganda 'summary' of what was found to absolutely lie about what the report actually concluded. Then Trump used this along with his megaphone of disinformation to spam his 'no collusion' lie to the point that people to this day are still snowballed to the truth that Trump worked with the Russian military to attack our citizens so that he could be able to slip into the presidency.
By the time that Mueller was able to take the stand, and the Republicans set the scope of the questions, and Barr limited what questions he could actually answer, there was not much he could do about it.
The one chance he did have though (when a Republican slipped up and asked an actual question) he took advantage of it.
lol it is worth watching this entire clip, but the speed Mueller said 'yes' to he could prosecute Trump when he left office was definitive.
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
I agree, but think it is almost a push if it is that, or if it is MBS that owns Trump, and Putin just stumbled onto the scam and used all his past dirt on Trump to basically blackmail him into submission.
DIY-HP-LED
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Lawrence On Why Kash Patel’s DOJ Immunity Deal Is Bad For Trump
379,617 views Nov 3, 2022
MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell analyzes a new report from The Wall Street Journal that states former Trump aide Kash Patel has obtained an immunity deal from the Justice Department in exchange for testimony on the Trump Mar-a-Lago documents case.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Appoint a fire breathing former republican patriot who hates Trump's guts! 
If the democrats win the house by a miricle, take it as a divine sign and pass the special independent counsel law, just for republicans in congress who voted against the certification and make their lives miserable and expensive until 2024 with public hearings like Ken Starr used to have in the good old days.
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www.rawstory.com
Attorney General Merrick Garland is considering naming a special prosecutor to investigate Donald Trump as to insulate the Department of Justice as the former president makes an expected 2024 comeback attempt.
CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday noted that Kellyanne Conway said we should expect Trump to "announce soon" a third White House campaign.
Burnett interviewed CNN senior justice correspondent Evan Perez.
"These are conversations they are having behind the scenes because, obviously, the possibility that the former president announces his candidacy for office again is real and is coming most likely after the election," Perez reported.
"And so one of the issues for the Justice Department is the prospect of having a department that answers to Tump's potential rival in 2024 doing an investigation of a sitting candidate, an ongoing candidate," he explained.
"And so, one of the ideas is, does a special counsel insulate the department from political criticism," he explained.
If the democrats win the house by a miricle, take it as a divine sign and pass the special independent counsel law, just for republicans in congress who voted against the certification and make their lives miserable and expensive until 2024 with public hearings like Ken Starr used to have in the good old days.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DOJ considering special counsel to investigate Trump: CNN
Attorney General Merrick Garland is considering naming a special prosecutor to investigate Donald Trump as to insulate the Department of Justice as the former president makes an expected 2024 comeback attempt.CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday noted that Kellyanne Conway said we should expect Trump...
www.rawstory.com
Attorney General Merrick Garland is considering naming a special prosecutor to investigate Donald Trump as to insulate the Department of Justice as the former president makes an expected 2024 comeback attempt.
CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday noted that Kellyanne Conway said we should expect Trump to "announce soon" a third White House campaign.
Burnett interviewed CNN senior justice correspondent Evan Perez.
"These are conversations they are having behind the scenes because, obviously, the possibility that the former president announces his candidacy for office again is real and is coming most likely after the election," Perez reported.
"And so one of the issues for the Justice Department is the prospect of having a department that answers to Tump's potential rival in 2024 doing an investigation of a sitting candidate, an ongoing candidate," he explained.
"And so, one of the ideas is, does a special counsel insulate the department from political criticism," he explained.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Let's talk about Trump, special counsels, advice, and delays....
HGCC
Well-Known Member
So far I'm pretty underwhelmed with everything Garland has done. The dems would be wise to move on from trying to take on trump like this, they have lost every time (they don't even get off the starting line) and it's starting to erode their credibility. The chants to lock him up are getting as hollow as locking her up. Busting Trump on anything is the hunter biden laptop of the dems, we just keep trotting that crap out as a rally cry that goes nowhere.Appoint a fire breathing former republican patriot who hates Trump's guts!
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DOJ considering special counsel to investigate Trump: CNN
Attorney General Merrick Garland is considering naming a special prosecutor to investigate Donald Trump as to insulate the Department of Justice as the former president makes an expected 2024 comeback attempt.CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday noted that Kellyanne Conway said we should expect Trump...
Attorney General Merrick Garland is considering naming a special prosecutor to investigate Donald Trump as to insulate the Department of Justice as the former president makes an expected 2024 comeback attempt.
CNN's Erin Burnett on Thursday noted that Kellyanne Conway said we should expect Trump to "announce soon" a third White House campaign.
Burnett interviewed CNN senior justice correspondent Evan Perez.
"These are conversations they are having behind the scenes because, obviously, the possibility that the former president announces his candidacy for office again is real and is coming most likely after the election," Perez reported.
"And so one of the issues for the Justice Department is the prospect of having a department that answers to Tump's potential rival in 2024 doing an investigation of a sitting candidate, an ongoing candidate," he explained.
"And so, one of the ideas is, does a special counsel insulate the department from political criticism," he explained.
The deluge of fundraising emails/texts/calls sure seem fond of using him as the reason we should donate again.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
i've been holding my breath...trump should be indicted for SOMETHING the day after the polls close.
there are real reasons he hasn't been, and the biggest reason has been the midterms, which will be over in a week. once they're over, there is no excuse to hold off any longer.
Offmymeds
Well-Known Member
Garland is really being naive here. A special prosecutor will make no difference when there is no reality. He might be trying to protect his own reputation more than the DOJ. I'm OK with trying to protect the agency but it won't work. All he will achieve is more delay and anger, rightful anger at a system with no apparent justice. Republicans will simply denounce and attack the special prosecutor like they've done with every other single FPOTUS issue. That Republican strategy will work on some voters that are ignorant of the facts BTW as it has in the past. It would also give FPOTUS time to muster up another dangerous twisted scheme to avoid accountability.
FFS, they were ready to kill the VP and Republicans are OK with that. Will a Special Prosecutor make Americans view facts differently? Very, very few IMO. There is no reality for so many.
FFS, they were ready to kill the VP and Republicans are OK with that. Will a Special Prosecutor make Americans view facts differently? Very, very few IMO. There is no reality for so many.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I’ll weigh in here; admittedly this is belief.
I was heartened by his public speech in which he declared his passion for the rule of law as a basic principle of sound government.
I conclude that he is working toward having solid prosecutorial cases not just for individual 1, but for some of his larger satellites. As the hearings are showing us, new and case-changing information is coming in. In fact it is pretty amazing how much has been made public while DOJ continues to work the problem behind their customary closed doors.
That said, sometime between the election and the end of Q1 ‘23, I expect to hear Garland come down the mountain, stone tablets in hand, with more than one prime mover named.
Will it happen?
~shrug~
I was heartened by his public speech in which he declared his passion for the rule of law as a basic principle of sound government.
I conclude that he is working toward having solid prosecutorial cases not just for individual 1, but for some of his larger satellites. As the hearings are showing us, new and case-changing information is coming in. In fact it is pretty amazing how much has been made public while DOJ continues to work the problem behind their customary closed doors.
That said, sometime between the election and the end of Q1 ‘23, I expect to hear Garland come down the mountain, stone tablets in hand, with more than one prime mover named.
Will it happen?
~shrug~
topcat
Well-Known Member
I expect an indictment of someone next Wednesday. Wishful thinking and a hunch.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
To steal a phrase from Dr. King, I have a dream that Lady G, the Tortoise and MosCarthy will suddenly have big bad juju.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
These are the kind of sentences DC judges give under the espionage act with obstruction of justice involved. Donald could well draw this judge and she is typical.
www.nytimes.com
Judge Gives Long Sentence to Couple Who Tried to Sell Submarine Secrets
Prosecutors had recommended three years in prison for Diana Toebbe, but a federal judge sentenced her to almost 22 years, a longer term than her husband.
WASHINGTON — A federal judge sentenced a Navy engineer to 19 years in prison on Wednesday and — in an unusual twist — handed his wife nearly 22 years for the couple’s botched attempt to sell sensitive nuclear propulsion secrets to a foreign country.
U.S. District Judge Gina M. Groh gave a longer term to Diana Toebbe even though it was her husband, Jonathan, who held the security clearance and took the sensitive documents from the Navy. Judge Groh said the longer sentence for Ms. Toebbe was mainly because she found that Ms. Toebbe had tried to obstruct justice by attempting to send letters to her husband while in jail.
Judge Groh said that both had committed a serious crime that had caused grave harm to the nation. Prosecutors had asked for just three years for Ms. Toebbe, but Judge Groh said the offense was “not your usual case.” In delivering her sentence, the judge said that while Mr. Toebbe, 44, had access to the information, Ms. Toebbe, 46, was “driving the bus” and had a big role in crafting the plan and covering it up.
Judge Groh had thrown out the original pleas by the Toebbes in August, arguing they were too lenient and forcing them to cut new deals with prosecutors, which opened the prospect of much longer prison sentences.
At the sentencing hearing in Martinsburg, W.Va., on Wednesday, Judge Groh called the Toebbes confessed traitors and repeatedly cited the sophistication of their scheme to sell government secrets by using covert communications and even hiding information in a peanut butter sandwich. She questioned prosecutors’ theory that Mr. Toebbe was more responsible for the crime.
Judge Groh also said Mr. Toebbe, unlike his wife, had used his time in jail productively, teaching inmates, and she said he deserved credit for those actions.
Judge Gives Long Sentence to Couple Who Tried to Sell Submarine Secrets (Published 2022)
Prosecutors had recommended three years in prison for Diana Toebbe, but a federal judge sentenced her to almost 22 years, a longer term than her husband.
Judge Gives Long Sentence to Couple Who Tried to Sell Submarine Secrets
Prosecutors had recommended three years in prison for Diana Toebbe, but a federal judge sentenced her to almost 22 years, a longer term than her husband.
WASHINGTON — A federal judge sentenced a Navy engineer to 19 years in prison on Wednesday and — in an unusual twist — handed his wife nearly 22 years for the couple’s botched attempt to sell sensitive nuclear propulsion secrets to a foreign country.
U.S. District Judge Gina M. Groh gave a longer term to Diana Toebbe even though it was her husband, Jonathan, who held the security clearance and took the sensitive documents from the Navy. Judge Groh said the longer sentence for Ms. Toebbe was mainly because she found that Ms. Toebbe had tried to obstruct justice by attempting to send letters to her husband while in jail.
Judge Groh said that both had committed a serious crime that had caused grave harm to the nation. Prosecutors had asked for just three years for Ms. Toebbe, but Judge Groh said the offense was “not your usual case.” In delivering her sentence, the judge said that while Mr. Toebbe, 44, had access to the information, Ms. Toebbe, 46, was “driving the bus” and had a big role in crafting the plan and covering it up.
Judge Groh had thrown out the original pleas by the Toebbes in August, arguing they were too lenient and forcing them to cut new deals with prosecutors, which opened the prospect of much longer prison sentences.
At the sentencing hearing in Martinsburg, W.Va., on Wednesday, Judge Groh called the Toebbes confessed traitors and repeatedly cited the sophistication of their scheme to sell government secrets by using covert communications and even hiding information in a peanut butter sandwich. She questioned prosecutors’ theory that Mr. Toebbe was more responsible for the crime.
Judge Groh also said Mr. Toebbe, unlike his wife, had used his time in jail productively, teaching inmates, and she said he deserved credit for those actions.
Budzbuddha
Well-Known Member
Thought espionage was punishable by Death ?
Firing Squad / The Chair / 20 story window - fuck - “ something “ .
If they need somebody at the switch - I’m free. I’m sure there are plenty of vets eager to do the same .
Firing Squad / The Chair / 20 story window - fuck - “ something “ .
If they need somebody at the switch - I’m free. I’m sure there are plenty of vets eager to do the same .
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
These are typical sentences, and a preview of what Donald is looking at, no slap on the wrists is possible and Donald is just another swinging dick to the judge, no one special under the law, equality under the law. As you can see aggravating circumstances like obstruction of justice and the secrets involved play a big part in the sentencing.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
the death sentence was ruled unconstitutional in 1972, but no one has been put to death for espionage since the rosenburgs in 1953
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
No problem Donald will cover the fine for them and compensate them for reputational damages, he's a standup guy. People are saying he's paying for the J6 insurrectionists legal fees and supporting their families while they are in prison. What a guy!
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Donald's day of doom is rapidly approaching, and he knows it, Herschel's runoff election might be the only thing saving him from an indictment, but maybe not.