Flushing before harvest is Bro Science!

ldizzz

Member
Waiting for someone to slap down the actual scientific process by which the plants are removing any additional nutrients they've absorbed. As far as I know, there's no biological process where plants excrete/secrete nutrients through their roots. It's a one way street, not a two way street.
"For the kinetics of ion uptake by plants, the Michaelis- Menten equation has been modified to include the param- eter Cmin, and the term I, designating unidirectional influx, has replaced the term V (Fig. 2.11). Very often, though, only the net uptake of ions is determined experimen- tally, which is the net result of influx and efflux across the plasma membrane (Fig. 2.12). Efflux can become similar in magnitude to influx, particularly at extreme low or high external concentrations, and therefore can be an important component in determining net uptake (Fig. 2.13; Elliott et al., 1984; Britto and Kronzucker, 2006). It is also note- worthy that, at a given external concentration, the efflux of a particular mineral nutrient can be many times higher from roots of plants sufficiently supplied than from roots of defi- cient plants (e.g., McPharlin and Bieleski, 1989; Lee et al.,
The efflux of ions and other solutes is affected by sev- eral factors: (i) the integrity of the plasma membrane, (ii) the presence of transport proteins allowing efflux, (iii) the electrochemical driving force for transport, and (iv) the concentration of the solute in the cytoplasm. In pea, for example, the initial high rate of net uptake of sulphate by S-deficient roots placed in a solution containing sulphate decreases to about 30% within one hour due to a marked increase in sulphate efflux, despite a slight increase in influx (Deane-Drummond, 1987; Bell et al., 1995). Similarly, for nitrate and ammonium, the efflux component can account for a high proportion – almost 40–50% of the influx – most probably due to the high concentrations of nitrate and ammonium in the cytoplasm (Britto and Kronzucker, 2003, 2006)."

White, P. J. (2012). Ion Uptake Mechanisms of Individual Cells and Roots. Marschner’s Mineral Nutrition of Higher Plants, 7–47. doi:10.1016/B978-0-12-384905-2.00002-9
 

bk78

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"For the kinetics of ion uptake by plants, the Michaelis- Menten equation has been modified to include the param- eter Cmin, and the term I, designating unidirectional influx, has replaced the term V (Fig. 2.11). Very often, though, only the net uptake of ions is determined experimen- tally, which is the net result of influx and efflux across the plasma membrane (Fig. 2.12). Efflux can become similar in magnitude to influx, particularly at extreme low or high external concentrations, and therefore can be an important component in determining net uptake (Fig. 2.13; Elliott et al., 1984; Britto and Kronzucker, 2006). It is also note- worthy that, at a given external concentration, the efflux of a particular mineral nutrient can be many times higher from roots of plants sufficiently supplied than from roots of defi- cient plants (e.g., McPharlin and Bieleski, 1989; Lee et al.,
The efflux of ions and other solutes is affected by sev- eral factors: (i) the integrity of the plasma membrane, (ii) the presence of transport proteins allowing efflux, (iii) the electrochemical driving force for transport, and (iv) the concentration of the solute in the cytoplasm. In pea, for example, the initial high rate of net uptake of sulphate by S-deficient roots placed in a solution containing sulphate decreases to about 30% within one hour due to a marked increase in sulphate efflux, despite a slight increase in influx (Deane-Drummond, 1987; Bell et al., 1995). Similarly, for nitrate and ammonium, the efflux component can account for a high proportion – almost 40–50% of the influx – most probably due to the high concentrations of nitrate and ammonium in the cytoplasm (Britto and Kronzucker, 2003, 2006)."

White, P. J. (2012). Ion Uptake Mechanisms of Individual Cells and Roots. Marschner’s Mineral Nutrition of Higher Plants, 7–47. doi:10.1016/B978-0-12-384905-2.00002-9
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LeastExpectedGrower

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"For the kinetics of ion uptake by plants, the Michaelis- Menten equation has been modified to include the param- eter Cmin, and the term I, designating unidirectional influx, has replaced the term V (Fig. 2.11). Very often, though, only the net uptake of ions is determined experimen- tally, which is the net result of influx and efflux across the plasma membrane (Fig. 2.12). Efflux can become similar in magnitude to influx, particularly at extreme low or high external concentrations, and therefore can be an important component in determining net uptake (Fig. 2.13; Elliott et al., 1984; Britto and Kronzucker, 2006). It is also note- worthy that, at a given external concentration, the efflux of a particular mineral nutrient can be many times higher from roots of plants sufficiently supplied than from roots of defi- cient plants (e.g., McPharlin and Bieleski, 1989; Lee et al.,
The efflux of ions and other solutes is affected by sev- eral factors: (i) the integrity of the plasma membrane, (ii) the presence of transport proteins allowing efflux, (iii) the electrochemical driving force for transport, and (iv) the concentration of the solute in the cytoplasm. In pea, for example, the initial high rate of net uptake of sulphate by S-deficient roots placed in a solution containing sulphate decreases to about 30% within one hour due to a marked increase in sulphate efflux, despite a slight increase in influx (Deane-Drummond, 1987; Bell et al., 1995). Similarly, for nitrate and ammonium, the efflux component can account for a high proportion – almost 40–50% of the influx – most probably due to the high concentrations of nitrate and ammonium in the cytoplasm (Britto and Kronzucker, 2003, 2006)."

White, P. J. (2012). Ion Uptake Mechanisms of Individual Cells and Roots. Marschner’s Mineral Nutrition of Higher Plants, 7–47. doi:10.1016/B978-0-12-384905-2.00002-9
Cool Copy/paste. Doesn't contradict what I said.
 

ldizzz

Member
Cool Copy/paste. Doesn't contradict what I said.
I wasn't trying to contradict you. And I'm not making a point in support of or against 'flushing'. Just letting you know that plants do in fact have biological mechanisms for both influx and efflux nutrients. You asked for the science and I posted it. I thought you and others might be interested. Really great read and so much more detail than what I quoted.
 

Herb & Suds

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I wasn't trying to contradict you. And I'm not making a point in support of or against 'flushing'. Just letting you know that plants do in fact have biological mechanisms for both influx and efflux nutrients. You asked for the science and I posted it. I thought you and others might be interested. Really great read and so much more detail than what I quoted.
:roll: WELCOME TO RIU :weed:
 

Tolerance Break

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I wasn't trying to contradict you. And I'm not making a point in support of or against 'flushing'. Just letting you know that plants do in fact have biological mechanisms for both influx and efflux nutrients. You asked for the science and I posted it. I thought you and others might be interested. Really great read and so much more detail than what I quoted.
Nobody said they didn't.
 

bk78

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I wasn't trying to contradict you. And I'm not making a point in support of or against 'flushing'. Just letting you know that plants do in fact have biological mechanisms for both influx and efflux nutrients. You asked for the science and I posted it. I thought you and others might be interested. Really great read and so much more detail than what I quoted.
You’re going to fit right in around here
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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I wasn't trying to contradict you. And I'm not making a point in support of or against 'flushing'. Just letting you know that plants do in fact have biological mechanisms for both influx and efflux nutrients. You asked for the science and I posted it. I thought you and others might be interested. Really great read and so much more detail than what I quoted.
It doesn't suggest that plants express nutrients out of their roots. It does suggest that plants can move stored materials from some cells to other cells.
 

ldizzz

Member
Nobody said they didn't.
LeastExpectedGrower said "Waiting for someone to slap down the actual scientific process by which the plants are removing any additional nutrients they've absorbed. As far as I know, there's no biological process where plants excrete/secrete nutrients through their roots. It's a one way street, not a two way street"
 

ldizzz

Member
It doesn't suggest that plants express nutrients out of their roots. It does suggest that plants can move stored materials from some cells to other cells.
I recommend you read the chapter in more detail. It describes mechanisms of ion influx/efflux across the plasma membrane from vacuole-cytoplasm and cytoplasm-external solution.
 
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