I thought this was America?

DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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rkymtnman said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/keystone-pipeline-us-steel-trump

and the US would be refining that sludge because Canada was smart enough to say we don't want to pump that shit across our lands, let's let the republicans ruin the Oglalla aquifer in their breadbasket. the oil was going to be sold to china at a discount so it really didn't increase world supply either.
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The Oglalla is not a replenishable water supply anyways. Once it's used up, it's a dry hole.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
The Oglalla is not a replenishable water supply anyways. Once it's used up, it's a dry hole.
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it'd be better if it wasn't contaminated with oil though until it does dry up.

The Keystone Pipeline spilled as much as 383,000 gallons of crude oil into rural wetlands in North Dakota this week before the pipeline was shut down, making it one of the largest oil spills in the country in the past decade, state officials confirmed on Thursday-- 11/1/2019
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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rkymtnman said:
it'd be better if it wasn't contaminated with oil though until it does dry up.

The Keystone Pipeline spilled as much as 383,000 gallons of crude oil into rural wetlands in North Dakota this week before the pipeline was shut down, making it one of the largest oil spills in the country in the past decade, state officials confirmed on Thursday-- 11/1/2019
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In any business, you're going to have collateral damage no matter if it's oil spills, underwater fractures (BP), chemical leaks from manufacturers, accidents on the road, nuclear plant leaks, Railway derailments carrying all kinds of stuff, wind farms spewing hydraulic fluid all around the site, or into the ocean (offshore),etc.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
In any business, you're going to have collateral damage no matter if it's oil spills, underwater fractures (BP), chemical leaks from manufacturers, accidents on the road, nuclear plant leaks, Railway derailments carrying all kinds of stuff, wind farms spewing hydraulic fluid all around the site, or into the ocean (offshore),etc.
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agreed but this leak wasn't known about for days. only when the farmer happened to see a black pool on his property. so whatever monitors they had on the pipeline didn't work.

but yeah, there are gonna be leaks or spills of anything toxic at some point.
 
Rurumo

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The small oil pipelines that cross the Yellowstone river are regularly in the news for massive leaks, it drives me crazy. I don't think it's a left/right thing to say that oil pipelines should not be allowed to continue operating if they just accept yearly, massive leaks as "the cost of doing business." I can't imagine how much oil Russia is spilling with these open sea ship to ship oil transfers though.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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Herb & Suds said:
Propane as long as we pay homage to the oil industry with enough tax breaks
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I remember as a kid, my grandfather was a farmer/rancher, and he had a pickup that ran on propane. They tried to revive that here. We would have oil companies come in and put conversion kits (at 13,000 a kit) to try to save money. But I was in my office one day doing the math to break even. They would have to drive 120,000 miles to break. They always traded them in at that point anyways, so it was... pointless.
 
CunningCanuk

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I know right?!?!.... who doesn't bitch about gas prices. We'd all bitch if it went from .99 to 1.99. it's all perception.
Tough Crowd..... is that in you signature, or do you just say that to everyone you dislike?
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High gas prices are the result of corporate greed, not government policy. You’ve complained about Biden not doing anything about gas prices (like it’s his fault) and when he does, you’re complaining about those actions being “unAmerican”, hence my “tough crowd” comment.

If I point out your ignorance and hypocrisy though, it doesn’t mean I don’t like you.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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CunningCanuk said:
High gas prices are the result of corporate greed, not government policy. You’ve complained about Biden not doing anything about gas prices (like it’s his fault) and when he does, you’re complaining about those actions being “unAmerican”, hence my “tough crowd” comment.

If I point out your ignorance and hypocrisy though, it doesn’t mean I don’t like you.
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I just don't think that putting a tax hike on oil corps are going to make any difference at the pump. We better find a way to fix this "27 days supply of diesel" before anything else.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I remember as a kid, my grandfather was a farmer/rancher, and he had a pickup that ran on propane. They tried to revive that here. We would have oil companies come in and put conversion kits (at 13,000 a kit) to try to save money. But I was in my office one day doing the math to break even. They would have to drive 120,000 miles to break. They always traded them in at that point anyways, so it was... pointless.
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the point was it was cleaner for the air......some of us consider clean air a point
 
Offmymeds

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Lets talk Big Oil. I find it strange that Biden would threaten to raise taxes on Big Oil Companies for making to much money, when in the beginning of his term, it was at the top of his list to shut down the Keystone, and lease lock domestic drilling when fuel was under $2 a gallon. Now that fuel is at record highs and only took a few cents dip in the past couple of weeks, (which he took credit for), it's back up again, and now he's back tracking saying we should do more domestic drilling?. And now he wants to take thier profits in higher taxes to do what?... "maybe" bring it down .20 cents or so? This isn't helping anybody. They earned it, they should keep it. I really think he has profit confused with revenue. You gotta spend money to make money. I don't have a problem paying $3.49 a gallon if it creates jobs. Im from a oil State. And when fuel is too cheap, and jobs aren't around, you can see it. When oil crashed (for a few opening hours briefly) to negative -$38.00 a brl, people around here were selling off all thier belongings, trading down in vehicles, homes, etc. because they didn't have jobs. Someone help me connect the dots.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-threatens-oil-companies-with-higher-taxes-on-profits-if-they-do-not-reduce-gasoline-prices/ar-AA13AXE6?cvid=f1a23f5aa75240e287e13c01916eb546
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Where else but America would the CEO of Exxon become the Secretary of State? We've subsidized the O&G industry for over 100 years. I sympathize with labor because it is a very volatile industry but it needs to be brought under control. The industry is corrupt and has far, far too much power here and abroad.

No, Biden isn't confusing profit with revenue.

I recommend Blowout by Rachel Maddow to get a good history of the industry.
 
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