Well this sucks

Iheartoregon

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Been battling mildew, now little catepillars, and it seems like some of my buds are rotten on the inside. They tiny little things look like little eggs or something. Also, some leaves are turning purple and starting to curl. I’ve been taking it super easy only feeding it less than the recommended nutes once a week.
Anyone have any idea what’s going on? Or if any of this is salvageable?

maaaaan this sucks
 

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obijohn

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You need to stay on top of this before it becomes an issue that causes this. Budworms suck, you need to be proactive is spraying BT or Spinosad
 

Iheartoregon

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Son of a b. I’m debating just cutting it down now and going through each branch really well and cutting out anything afffected. Would it still be smokeable if I were to early harvest it?

I just am trying to get sooooomething out of it. Or should I just butcher the hell out of it cutting all of that out, and leave it to try to grow?
 

farmerfischer

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More details on they grow would help.. like indoor or outdoor.. ( i cant tell from these pics)The stakes you have there look like they have some type of mold on them to.. maybe the sorce..
I would spray proxide on the affected areas then clip out the mold and spray proxide again.. if you are indoor increase your air flow.. mold/rot can because by a few things.. excess moisture/humidity in the bud and room not able to dry out.. or bugs and bug poop can cause mold/rot..
 

Iheartoregon

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More details on they grow would help.. like indoor or outdoor.. ( i cant tell from these pics)The stakes you have there look like they have some type of mold on them to.. maybe the sorce..
I would spray proxide on the affected areas then clip out the mold and spray proxide again.. if you are indoor increase your air flow.. mold/rot can because by a few things.. excess moisture/humidity in the bud and room not able to dry out.. or bugs and bug poop can cause mold/rot..
Okay. I’m growing outdoors. And yeah the “stakes” are just sticks I found. They were really dry initially so I don’t think they were moldy.

I’m going to just continue to keep a reeeeeeally close eye on it. I picked out a handful of caterpillars that I saw just now. I’ll check it again later today and tomorrow to see if I can find more
 

radicaldank42

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Been battling mildew, now little catepillars, and it seems like some of my buds are rotten on the inside. They tiny little things look like little eggs or something. Also, some leaves are turning purple and starting to curl. I’ve been taking it super easy only feeding it less than the recommended nutes once a week.
Anyone have any idea what’s going on? Or if any of this is salvageable?

maaaaan this sucks
well if you have powdery mildew its inn the plants genetics so dant keep ny clones cause youll never get ride of it completely. and hydrogen peroxide will help get rid of all fungus throw a pennie in a gal of water and then allow the penny to soak over night and use tyhat with the h202. as for the bugs pyrethrins are the best and most effective organic insecticide to use and then use the beneficials as a secondary, you alkways want at least two things for control other wise it gets resistance kind of like when an illness gets used to antibiotics. its not you that gets used to them is the illness it self. thats why they give you two different antibiotics if the first one didnt help much,
and as for the sticks soak the sticks in h202 for a day or longer and it will sterilize the wood and kill off all eggs. you can also spray a coat of gloss over the sticks as long as its waterproof gloss it will keep it protected.
 

buckaclark

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well if you have powdery mildew its inn the plants genetics so dant keep ny clones cause youll never get ride of it completely. and hydrogen peroxide will help get rid of all fungus throw a pennie in a gal of water and then allow the penny to soak over night and use tyhat with the h202. as for the bugs pyrethrins are the best and most effective organic insecticide to use and then use the beneficials as a secondary, you alkways want at least two things for control other wise it gets resistance kind of like when an illness gets used to antibiotics. its not you that gets used to them is the illness it self. thats why they give you two different antibiotics if the first one didnt help much,
and as for the sticks soak the sticks in h202 for a day or longer and it will sterilize the wood and kill off all eggs. you can also spray a coat of gloss over the sticks as long as its waterproof gloss it will keep it protected.
Please stop telling beginners to spray Pyrethrin on their buds.It is very toxic and is in fact illegal to use in cannabis production.No offense intended,I know you love it.
 

radicaldank42

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Please stop telling beginners to spray Pyrethrin on their buds.It is very toxic and is in fact illegal to use in cannabis production.No offense intended,I know you love it.
pyrethrins are of course toxic but soo is neem oil. another thing is as im looking this up the only reason is becasue a company that make pyrethrum tr which is but isnt pyrethrins but its becasue they changed the label on the bottle. which if you have any of the old product with the old label on it you are still able to use that one up till its gone. and thats all i could find on it about why its illegal. cause the insecticide is destroyed by the sun within a few days and it doesnt get abosrobed into the soil nor in the plant.also the life of pyrethrins in water on plant is roughly 12-15 hrs and after 5 days 3% residuals. and the only big reason i could see why is becasue how it kills everything in the bug life. and in a industrial field and industrial sprayers or by plane youd be spraying it over a larger area and would affect the places wherer it doesnt need to go.
 

GrodanLightfoot

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You guys listen to the wrong fuckin podcasts. Am I seriously the only person on earth who doesn't smoke pesticide?

Biological Farming Round Table

"80% of the nitrogen within a plant is in the form of enzymes. Enzymes are all crystalline proteins. There are tens of thousands of different enzymes within a plant because each enzyme is needed to form and to catalyse a reaction to form specific bonds. So as proteins get built, you have one amino acid being combined with another specific amino acid.

Let's say for the sake of discussion, combining glycine with alanine and there is only one enzyme that can form one specific type of enzyme that can catalyse that reaction that can form that bond. So because there are hundreds of different compounds that are being formed and thousands of different bonds that are being built, there are tens of thousands of different types of enzymes within the plant and all of these enzymes are dependent on what is called an enzyme cofactor. So these enzyme cofactors can be magnesium, manganese, zinc or copper or they can be B vitamins such s vitamin B 12, cyanocobalamin, which is a metallic vitamin. So all of these proteins, all of these enzymes require the enzyme cofactor in order to function. If the enzyme cofactor is missing, if the plant doesn't have enough manganese or doesn't have enough cobalt in the case of vitamin B12, and so cyanocobalamin, then that means that these specific bonds the plant desires to build, it is incapable of building. Now you end up with a plant that has incomplete proteins. It has funny proteins and it has incomplete carbohydrates. Perhaps it doesn't develop as many lipids or have as many essential fatty acids in the plant profile because it doesn't have the enzyme cofactors that are needed to build complete proteins. This is a concept that is at the foundation of a great deal of disease and insect resistance. When we developed the plant health pyramid. We develop this diagram to describe how plants become resistant to different groups of insects and different groups of diseases, depending on what is happening with plant physiology. The first two levels, there's four levels in the plant health pyramid. The first two levels are simply a result of the plant becoming healthy enough, having all of the enzyme cofactors that it needs to form complete proteins and complete carbohydrates.

Many of our insects, such as leafhoppers and all the other larval insects, such as alfalfa, weevil and cornier worm and cabbage looper and tomato hornworm; there's a long list of these. All these larval insects are dependent. They can only utilise, as a food source, plants which don't have all of the enzyme cofactors. So if you supply a plant with all the enzyme cofactors that it requires and it begins forming complete proteins, you no longer have any insect susceptibility because they can't utilise them as a food source anymore, any more than we can use a grass or forages as a food source because our digestive system doesn't have a cellulose enzyme. We can't break down cellulose like a ruminant animal can and a larval insect cannot break down the complete proteins that our digestive system can because they have different digestive enzymes than we do.

So this is really the foundation of the plant health pyramid is developing complete proteins, developing complete carbohydrates by having a completely functioning enzyme system with all of the needed enzyme cofactors and you remove disease susceptibility and insect susceptibility as a result of doing that. "
 

buckaclark

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pyrethrins are of course toxic but soo is neem oil. another thing is as im looking this up the only reason is becasue a company that make pyrethrum tr which is but isnt pyrethrins but its becasue they changed the label on the bottle. which if you have any of the old product with the old label on it you are still able to use that one up till its gone. and thats all i could find on it about why its illegal. cause the insecticide is destroyed by the sun within a few days and it doesnt get abosrobed into the soil nor in the plant.also the life of pyrethrins in water on plant is roughly 12-15 hrs and after 5 days 3% residuals. and the only big reason i could see why is becasue how it kills everything in the bug life. and in a industrial field and industrial sprayers or by plane youd be spraying it over a larger area and would affect the places wherer it doesnt need to go.
No one is recommending neem oil in flower either .Just the occasional goofass
 

radicaldank42

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No one is recommending neem oil in flower either .Just the occasional goofass
thats not what i was implying. i was implying that neem oil its self is toxic. not when it was being used. but to answer that one yea you shouldnt be using neem during flower. well idk what goofass is but i sure do know what ignorantass is. and thats when someone has nothing else to say when they were told facts about somehting they could be wrong on.
 

buckaclark

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thats not what i was implying. i was implying that neem oil its self is toxic. not when it was being used. but to answer that one yea you shouldnt be using neem during flower. well idk what goofass is but i sure do know what ignorantass is. and thats when someone has nothing else to say when they were told facts about somehting they could be wrong on.
It's not about that,it's about how to address beginners.I didn't mean to offend you,but that is less important than what is told to beginning growers.
 

radicaldank42

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It's not about that,it's about how to address beginners.I didn't mean to offend you,but that is less important than what is told to beginning growers.
and neither was i, i was trying to engage how its illegal or as to why.then you said goof ass so im sorry didnt mean to come off hard.but the only thing you also said it was toxic, an everything used in a garden is toxic to humans? and when it comes down to legit a label change just a label cange and nothing else why stop using it? especially with something that was always ok to use then not just again over a label change. perfedct example of label change would be listerine, it was originally used as floor cleaner but then realize thats it better as a mouth wash. but the label had changed and theres some people that buy listerinie and use it as floor cleaner tho its old people. but still being used as it was. just blows my mind that they say that cause of a label. again im just engaging why.
 

Kerowacked

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Been battling mildew, now little catepillars, and it seems like some of my buds are rotten on the inside. They tiny little things look like little eggs or something. Also, some leaves are turning purple and starting to curl. I’ve been taking it super easy only feeding it less than the recommended nutes once a week.
Anyone have any idea what’s going on? Or if any of this is salvageable?

maaaaan this sucks
Pretty screwed, cats get in a bud, eat the little stems, shat, sleep, then find another bud. BTK kills them, i use spinosad too. Then you gotta wash your buds in peroxide and a freshwater rinse to save anything. Little f’ers will fall out hangdrying too. Better prepared for next year.
 
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