Fogdog
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Why are Republicans blocking bills that would ban those dark PACs? Democrats aren't blocking them. Only Republicans. Why is that?
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Highway61
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The "both sides do it" argument is only part of the story, as others have pointed out. Both sides have to compete given the rules and at least for now, the rules (according to the JR and the Supremes) are that what we would ordinarily call bribery is a civil right guaranteed by the Citizens United case. But Democrats know that they are a majority across the country so to the extent that anti democratic processes (like political bribery, gerrymandering, filibuster) can be overturned, their chances to win elections goes way up. I'm convinced that most of what we are seeing coming from Republican operatives and their supporters is their absolute terror that majority rule will cut through their bullshit. This is not really a both sides do it situation. The situation is that both sides have to do it because those are the rules but only the GOP is fighting tooth and nail to keep our current political bribery system in place.
madvillian420
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Because they are greedy lizard people filling their pockets and loving it. Im sure not all democrats want to stop the flow of billions of free dollars, Good on the ones that do though.
madvillian420
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Politicians are mobsters wearing nicer suits. From my favorite guy or gal to yours. Unless you liked Bernie which i actually (kind of) did, but the machine chewed him up and spit him out unfortunately. Those leaked DNC emails that all but sealed his political fate were pretty creepy.
More political transparency is always good, i dont care if it gets every republican or democrat alive arrested for life. Start over with less rats in the pool.
More political transparency is always good, i dont care if it gets every republican or democrat alive arrested for life. Start over with less rats in the pool.
CunningCanuk
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hanimmal
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Im sure you can find a few out there.
I disagree and think that is kind of a naive statement. There have been so many people that have ran and won over the last couple terms that easily counter the 'they are all crooks' narratives.
madvillian420
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ALL crooks is an admitted exaggeration. I mean some of those i named were in office when i was a child so id have to do more homework, but id feel safe in saying that most run on good intentions and mean well and get into office and realize they are only a cog in the machine and some parts of the country they intended on changing are beyond their control or reach. I like to believe that instead of them ALL being full of shit.
Fogdog
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Nonsense regarding Bernie. He was no saint.
Dark Money Boosted Justice Democrats’ Super PAC In Q2
Progressive Democrat organization Justice Democrats received $260,000 in donations from dark money funded groups and Super PACs in Q2, FEC…
Bernie's PAC is every bit as interested in winning by accepting legal donations as every other politician or political group. That's the point of every political campaign. Winning. Winning elections is the only way to make policy proposals a reality. Bernie and every politician must and should campaign according to the rules written at the time of the election. If you don't like the rules, get them changed. A few of Bernie's followers have done what you said and refused legal campaign donations based upon principle. Most of them lost. What's worse is, they lost to Republicans who have zero morality in this area. Quite a bit of their money even comes from Russia. They don't care.
Unlike in sports, elections matter. The 2020 election was a close thing. The guy we took out of the WH conspired to overthrow our democracy after he lost. He organized and attempted a bloody coup. Our democracy was saved by those 11,000 or so votes in Georgia and the few thousand or so votes in other contested states that tipped the election to Biden.
Also, you paint a broad brush without naming the "lizard people" and "mobsers (sic) in nice suits". Who are you talking about? The people who represent me, Merkley, Wyden and DeFazio have squeaky clean reputations and represent the policies in DC that I support. The Republican running for office in my district, Alek Scarlotos supports the opposite, such as supporting a nationwide ban on abortion.
Let the headlines scream:
"Politicians are winning elections by doing things reasonable people want."
How awful of them that they accept dark money so that they can beat the people I don't want to represent me.
madvillian420
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Meet John Katko of New York and Doug Mastriano of Pennsylvania. Some of their beliefs might be batshit crazy, But both have spoken at events and pushed for and supported the bills getting rid of dark money. Even if its only because the dems take more dark money than anyone now lol, that wasnt part of your silly criteria.
hanimmal
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This might be a easier thing to believe, but I try to rely on having some understanding of all the legislation that is actually getting passed/blocked by which party and go off that rather than my feels.
cannabineer
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Mastriano is pure poison.Meet John Katko of New York and Doug Mastriano of Pennsylvania. Some of their beliefs might be batshit crazy, But both have spoken at events and pushed for and supported the bills getting rid of dark money. Even if its only because the dems take more dark money than anyone now lol, that wasnt part of your silly criteria.
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He Has a 7-Point Plan for a Christian Takeover -- and Wants Doug Mastriano to Lead the Charge
Lance Wallnau popularized the Seven Mountains Mandate for a Christian takeover of society. He wants Pennsylvania GOP gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano to lead the charge
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madvillian420
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theres enough evidence out there bud im just not spending the day gathering links for you.
madvillian420
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i was asked to show examples and i showed examples. i dont care if the dude worships piles of sticks in his yard in his free time, youre nitpicking nowMastriano is pure poison.
He Has a 7-Point Plan for a Christian Takeover -- and Wants Doug Mastriano to Lead the Charge
Lance Wallnau popularized the Seven Mountains Mandate for a Christian takeover of society. He wants Pennsylvania GOP gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano to lead the charge
Fogdog
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Katco is not running for office.Meet John Katko of New York and Doug Mastriano of Pennsylvania. Some of their beliefs might be batshit crazy, But both have spoken at events and pushed for and supported the bills getting rid of dark money. Even if its only because the dems take more dark money than anyone now lol, that wasnt part of your silly criteria.
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Mastriano is bat shit crazy. Regardless of his stance on dark money, a vote for a Republican is a vote to keep Dark Money in our system.
From the office of Nancy Pelosi:
Congress must improve enforcement of campaign finance law, end the scourge of dark money and establish its authority to regulate the raising and spending of political money, by passing a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.
If you are serious about campaign finance reform, vote Republicans out.
cannabineer
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It is interesting that your other choice, John Katko, is also an opponent of basic reproductive rights.
Pointing out enemies of the republic is not nitpicking. The fact that you chose that term means that you are the one ignoring the elephant in the room for partisan reasons, in my opinion.
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madvillian420
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Nancy Pelosi, although barely coherent is an absolute beast of a stock trader. She puts Warren Buffet to shame! that witch should know a thing or two about dark money
cannabineer
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Mastriano is all for money from the darkest of the dark: activist pastors.
cannabineer
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Pelosi, a witch? Provide documentation please.
madvillian420
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Not quite sure who John Karol is but okay. I was not asked about these peoples opinions or other policies, you are clearly moving the goalpost lol. First its show a republican against dark money, then its "oh but that guy thinks ____"
oh....okay.....
Fogdog
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Just saying, there can be no campaign finance reform if Republicans are in charge. There are zero statements in favor of banning dark money coming from Republican leaders. Pelosi came out and said it "end the scourge of dark money". To back up that statement, Democrats have introduced bills to do so. They are being blocked from even coming to a vote by Republicans. These are not opinions, they are simple facts and verified in the congressional record or official statements. You can't refute them.
You can believe whatever you like. You can try to move the goalposts by deflecting to another scandal that may or may not be true. But you can't say there is any chance that a Republicans will pass a bill that bans dark money if they control congress. If you are serious about campaign finance reform, vote Republicans out.
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