Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants

Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
Is that a legal strategy, or their reluctance to perjure themselves for him? It doesn't seem like much of a strategy, but they don't have a lot to work with...Box after box of non classified records he still shouldn't have had, and HUNDREDS of classified documents that never, ever should have been kept, they all should have been returned the same day they were given out...from my viewpoint, looking at all the stories, all the experts...there's no reason they shouldn't already have him in a cell, going over his movements and contacts for the last two years very, very carefully...in preparation for a espionage trial.
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I don't know if they are playing a legal strategy or a game of CYA, where the last one to cover theirs loses. This article from WaPO says both:

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Trump’s lawyers just gave away the game, exposing his Achilles’ heel


Throughout the Mar-a-Lago saga, it has been a running joke: Donald Trump and his media propagandists kept insisting he had declassified the documents he hoarded, supposedly proving his innocence. Yet his lawyers kept refusing to fully embrace this view, suggesting that as a legal argument, it’s rather worthless.


Now Trump’s trickery has run aground in spectacularly revealing fashion: In a new filing, Trump’s lawyers effectively admit they don’t want to address whether he declassified documents, while seeming to acknowledge he could face indictment.

This episode reveals the perils of lawyering by Fox News: If you tailor arguments to a forum where damning facts are never admitted as evidence and Trump’s defenses never face real scrutiny, eventually you’ll hit a wall of legal reality.


What I read into it is the Trump PR team is pushing the "I declassified it" line. Separately, the legal team has nothing to show that he did. They could face disbarment if they ran with that line. If so your second alternative is the correct one.

OTOH, " the legal team objected to what it said was Dearie’s request that it “disclose specific information regarding declassification to the Court and to the Government.” Some say their refusal to provide that information is an admission Trump could be indicted. Or maybe they are hiding behind the possibility of indictment to hide that they have no specific information whatsoever and Trump is just making shit up. Again.

We've seen enough from that hot mess of orange garbage to know he has no respect for the law and to him, public relations is everything. Maybe that duality is "hitting a wall of legal reality".
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Donarious said:
You can thank Biden for more of the that as he increased Federal enforcement of cannabis crimes. In fact, you can thank him for mandatory minimums and the drug war you spent most of your life paying for.

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If the democrats put a federal cannabis legalization bill in front of him, he will sign it. That's all that should concern the average American pot user. I mean the Tories would have never legalized pot in Canada, only Trudeau had the balls to do that, a liberal.
 
Fogdog

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Donarious said:
You can thank Biden for more of the that as he increased Federal enforcement of cannabis crimes. In fact, you can thank him for mandatory minimums and the drug war you spent most of your life paying for.

Lol
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Yes, yes, we all know Republicans would rather talk about ancient history. Stands to reason that they would. Just look at their recent history. Republican leadership has been awful.

It was so nice to have Trump's scatter-brained leadership replaced on Jan 20, 2021 with Biden's steady and competent hand on the wheel of the ship of state.

President Joe Biden. What a wonderful thing to say. Such a clean and free-from-corruption thing to say.
 
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Fogdog said:
I don't know if they are playing a legal strategy or a game of CYA, where the last one to cover theirs loses. This article from WaPO says both:

Opinion

Trump’s lawyers just gave away the game, exposing his Achilles’ heel


Throughout the Mar-a-Lago saga, it has been a running joke: Donald Trump and his media propagandists kept insisting he had declassified the documents he hoarded, supposedly proving his innocence. Yet his lawyers kept refusing to fully embrace this view, suggesting that as a legal argument, it’s rather worthless.


Now Trump’s trickery has run aground in spectacularly revealing fashion: In a new filing, Trump’s lawyers effectively admit they don’t want to address whether he declassified documents, while seeming to acknowledge he could face indictment.

This episode reveals the perils of lawyering by Fox News: If you tailor arguments to a forum where damning facts are never admitted as evidence and Trump’s defenses never face real scrutiny, eventually you’ll hit a wall of legal reality.


What I read into it is the Trump PR team is pushing the "I declassified it" line. Separately, the legal team has nothing to show that he did. They could face disbarment if they ran with that line. If so your second alternative is the correct one.

OTOH, " the legal team objected to what it said was Dearie’s request that it “disclose specific information regarding declassification to the Court and to the Government.” Some say their refusal to provide that information is an admission Trump could be indicted. Or maybe they are hiding behind the possibility of indictment to hide that they have no specific information whatsoever and Trump is just making shit up. Again.

We've seen enough from that hot mess of orange garbage to know he has no respect for the law and to him, public relations is everything. Maybe that duality is "hitting a wall of legal reality".
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The problem with armchair quarterbacking legal proceedings before the gavel hits the bench is that legal teams have strategies and the day to day may look completely different than the long game.

I personally don't care one iota about Trump's legal woes, he's spent his entire life fighting legal issues. I highly doubt there will be a satisfying legal outcome for you, but there is always a chance but my guess is he weasels his way out of it or he punts it down the road till he's dead.
 
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This guy is a lawyer apparently


BREAKING: Trump lawyers file DERANGED response to DOJ Appeal joined by MAGA Attorneys General
55,826 views Sep 20, 2022 Donald Trump’s attorneys just filed a deranged brief to the Court of Appeals on the Mar-a-Lago Search. Separately, 11 MAGA attorneys general filed an amicus brief in support of Trump’s lawlessness.
 
Fogdog

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Donarious said:
The problem with armchair quarterbacking legal proceedings before the gavel hits the bench is that legal teams have strategies and the day to day may look completely different than the long game.

I personally don't care one iota about Trump's legal woes, he's spent his entire life fighting legal issues. I highly doubt there will be a satisfying legal outcome for you, but there is always a chance but my guess is he weasels his way out of it or he punts it down the road till he's dead.
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You talk a lot about yourself, as if you are important.

You, your words, ideas, opinions and beliefs are flabby and uninteresting. The next time you reply to one of my posts, try to talk about the subject and not yourself.

What I posted was an opinion piece by an expert about an important topic of the day. It matters nothing to me if you find it uninteresting. Why would you care enough to comment on that? For example, I don't care much about European Football. Unlike you, I don't comment on things I find uninteresting. That would be a stupid thing to do.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Donarious said:
The problem with armchair quarterbacking legal proceedings before the gavel hits the bench is that legal teams have strategies and the day to day may look completely different than the long game.

I personally don't care one iota about Trump's legal woes, he's spent his entire life fighting legal issues. I highly doubt there will be a satisfying legal outcome for you, but there is always a chance but my guess is he weasels his way out of it or he punts it down the road till he's dead.
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Expert opinion and watching Donald go down will be amusing, the TV trial in Georgia promises to be entertaining, even for Canadians, get popcorn, better than reality TV.
 
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Special master to Trump’s lawyers: ‘You can't have your cake and eat it too’
The senior federal judge tasked with reviewing the materials seized by the FBI from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate sharply questioned the former president’s attorneys Tuesday during their first hearing before his courtroom.

Judge Raymond Dearie pushed Trump’s lawyers repeatedly for refusing to back up the former president’s claim that he declassified the highly sensitive national security-related records discovered in his residence.

“You can’t have your cake and eat it,” said Dearie, the “special master” picked by U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon to vet Trump’s effort to reclaim the materials taken by federal investigators.

Dearie, 78, engaged succinctly with the parties during the 40-minute session. He noted that the current litigation filed by Trump is civil in nature, since no criminal charges have been filed, so the burden of proof is on Trump to back up any assertion of privilege or other protected interest in the documents.

Trump’s lawyers asked Dearie to set in motion the process of getting security clearances so they can review the allegedly classified documents.

But prosecutor Julie Edelstein told the judge that some of the records involved are so sensitive that members of the government’s investigative team still haven’t been approved to the documents.

Still, Dearie’s comments on classification of the records were particularly notable in light of a separate court filing by Trump, who is urging a federal appeals court to keep in place Cannon’s order blocking the Justice Department from advancing its criminal investigation into the seized records.

In that filing, Trump’s attorneys argued that it was the Justice Department — not Trump — that bore the burden of showing the documents seized last month were classified. Dearie rejected that argument in his courtroom, saying that all that mattered were the markings on the documents.
www.politico.com

Special master to Trump’s lawyers: ‘You can't have your cake and eat it’

Judge Raymond Dearie pushed Trump’s lawyers repeatedly for not backing up the former president’s claim that he declassified the highly sensitive national security-related records discovered in his residence.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
 
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Fogdog said:
You talk a lot about yourself, as if you are important.

You, your words, ideas, opinions and beliefs are flabby and uninteresting. The next time you reply to one of my posts, try to talk about the subject and not yourself.

What I posted was an opinion piece by an expert about an important topic of the day. It matters nothing to me if you find it uninteresting. Why would you care enough to comment on that? For example, I don't care much about European Football. Unlike you, I don't comment on things I find uninteresting. That would be a stupid thing to do.
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Seems like I've struck a nerve. I believe you just responded to my post that you described as "flabby and uninteresting", so yes, you in fact reply to posts you feign uninteresting.

I'm afraid if you can't adhere to your own convictions I'll have to put you on ignore, because if I wanted to hear what NPR is saying, I'd listen to the source of your opinions.
 
Fogdog

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printer said:
Special master to Trump’s lawyers: ‘You can't have your cake and eat it too’
The senior federal judge tasked with reviewing the materials seized by the FBI from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate sharply questioned the former president’s attorneys Tuesday during their first hearing before his courtroom.

Judge Raymond Dearie pushed Trump’s lawyers repeatedly for refusing to back up the former president’s claim that he declassified the highly sensitive national security-related records discovered in his residence.

“You can’t have your cake and eat it,” said Dearie, the “special master” picked by U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon to vet Trump’s effort to reclaim the materials taken by federal investigators.

Dearie, 78, engaged succinctly with the parties during the 40-minute session. He noted that the current litigation filed by Trump is civil in nature, since no criminal charges have been filed, so the burden of proof is on Trump to back up any assertion of privilege or other protected interest in the documents.

Trump’s lawyers asked Dearie to set in motion the process of getting security clearances so they can review the allegedly classified documents.

But prosecutor Julie Edelstein told the judge that some of the records involved are so sensitive that members of the government’s investigative team still haven’t been approved to the documents.

Still, Dearie’s comments on classification of the records were particularly notable in light of a separate court filing by Trump, who is urging a federal appeals court to keep in place Cannon’s order blocking the Justice Department from advancing its criminal investigation into the seized records.

In that filing, Trump’s attorneys argued that it was the Justice Department — not Trump — that bore the burden of showing the documents seized last month were classified. Dearie rejected that argument in his courtroom, saying that all that mattered were the markings on the documents.
www.politico.com

Special master to Trump’s lawyers: ‘You can't have your cake and eat it’

Judge Raymond Dearie pushed Trump’s lawyers repeatedly for not backing up the former president’s claim that he declassified the highly sensitive national security-related records discovered in his residence.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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There it is. In the summary paragraph of that report:

Dearie rejected that argument in his courtroom, saying that all that mattered were the markings on the documents.

A direct, facts based, concise statement that cannot be refuted. I'm beginning to like this man.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Donarious said:
Seems like I've struck a nerve. I believe you just responded to my post that you described as "flabby and uninteresting", so yes, you in fact reply to posts you feign uninteresting.

I'm afraid if you can't adhere to your own convictions I'll have to put you on ignore, because if I wanted to hear what NPR is saying, I'd listen to the source of your opinions.
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I've spent more than sufficient time on you. you're not worth the effort to reply to any longer.
 
Fogdog

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Donarious said:
Seems like I've struck a nerve. I believe you just responded to my post that you described as "flabby and uninteresting", so yes, you in fact reply to posts you feign uninteresting.

I'm afraid if you can't adhere to your own convictions I'll have to put you on ignore, because if I wanted to hear what NPR is saying, I'd listen to the source of your opinions.
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No, I'm just saying, your uninformed opinion is worthless. As is my own. I'm also saying that your statement was idiotic. Why would you comment on something you are not interested in? And then impugn me?

Clearly, you are just here to troll. I'd like to point this out to the moderators. Your posts do not address the subject matter but are attacks on the character of the people you reply to. This forum has a "no insults" policy. Have you yet received any warnings? Your sock account gets three warnings and then you'll have to create a new one.

wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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HGCC

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Well this guy doesn't have anything interesting to say, but fascism is fascinating.

Yall should go download the pdf, or even just take a look at the 14 characteristics, as defined by umberto eco in ur-fascism. It's a pretty solid work and not long. It really nails it IMHO and is good to trot out in debates if the other guy isn't dumb.
 
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