Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants

DIY-HP-LED

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what a motherfucking piece of shit...i WANT his fucking magats to revolt, so they can be mowed down like the vermin they are, and the survivors can be put in prison, then on domestic terrorism lists that guarantee they'll never get a chance to do a damn thing again...
Relax Roger, they are destroying themselves before your very eyes, Trump is leading them off the cliff into the abyss and Lindsey and Pence are even helping too with abortion. I'm starting to get the feeling that red wave might turn into a blue one, if younger voters show up and younger women might get them to. Trump is the face of fascism with October surprises, J6 and subpoenas dropping like rain, while Lindsey prattles on about a national abortion ban and Mitch shits a brick. Pelosi said she thinks they can hold the house the other day and the ride down for the GOP ain't over yet, Joe is up to 45% in the polls with 2 months to go.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
did someone really need to write a book about why trump can't find decent legal counsel? he's a criminal fuck who doesn't pay his bills, and seems to only hire lawyers he can influence...the intersection where those things meet is deserted, and likely to remain that way...he's already sacrificed all the sheep he could get his hands on easily, the rest got wise and run away from him
considering how many people who vote still think he is being treated wrongfully by The Left,


yeah.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
like they're going to read anything critical of trump or the republican party...make it into a coloring book and they might be tricked into looking at it, but not reading it
treating them as a monolith and beyond salvage is the sort of bigoted thinking that allows bigger bigotries to flourish.

If the book reaches a great minority of those individuals, I think it is worth it.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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treating them as a monolith and beyond salvage is the sort of bigoted thinking that allows bigger bigotries to flourish.

If the book reaches a great minority of those individuals, I think it is worth it.
does a gnat flying into a hurricane make a difference?
they present themselves as a monolith, beyond salvage...it's hard to think of individual sheep when you're always presented with a belligerent flock.
people can change, but they have to want to...i don't see much desire for self improvement amongst the republicans, do you?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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like they're going to read anything critical of trump or the republican party...make it into a coloring book and they might be tricked into looking at it, but not reading it
The book is more about the influence of a particular conservative law firm than anything else. Such books and ideas get filtered into newspaper articles and TV segments to the larger public and can influence policy. The largest group of voters are independents and about half of them are persuadable, forget the 28% who still call themselves republicans, not many of them will vote democratic. The democratic party is shifting to the center because more centrist people are joining it as the only game in town for a patriot. Joe is a union guy and has a lot of cred among labor, this IMHO averted a disastrous rail strike, Joe used to take the train everyday for decades and always advocated for AMTRAK, rail transport and unions.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
does a gnat flying into a hurricane make a difference?
they present themselves as a monolith, beyond salvage...it's hard to think of individual sheep when you're always presented with a belligerent flock.
people can change, but they have to want to...i don't see much desire for self improvement amongst the republicans, do you?
Not much, but nonzero.

That last word compels me.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Maybe we should have a general thread for all things Trump his many legal cases are so large in number and variety it's confusing even the reporters who cover this shit! The "Trump Dump" thread perhaps ( you already Dumped Trump), sometimes it's hard to place things in the right threads because some stories overlap.


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printer

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Judge rejects DOJ bid to delay Mar-a-Lago ruling, appoints special master
U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday rejected a Justice Department demand to permit federal prosecutors to continue their review of records marked classified that were recovered from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

In her ruling, Cannon refused to accept DOJ officials’ contention that the records they are attempting to review as part of an ongoing criminal investigation remain highly classified or contain extraordinarily sensitive defense information that could damage national security if released.

“The Court does not find it appropriate to accept the Government’s conclusions on these important and disputed issues without further review by a neutral third party in an expedited and orderly fashion,” the Trump appointee wrote in her 10-page ruling.

Cannon instead appointed Raymond Dearie, a senior judge in Brooklyn, N.Y., to lead an independent review of the seized materials. He was one of two potential special masters proposed by the Trump team and prosecutors said they found him acceptable even though he was not one of their initial picks.
In a signed filing, Dearie accepted the task. Cannon urged him to complete his review by Nov. 30 — more than a month after the Oct. 17 deadline DOJ had asked Cannon to set.

The Justice Department had previously appealed Cannon’s order to appoint a special master and had indicated it would seek relief from the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals if she did not agree to delay aspects of her ruling by Thursday night. The Justice Department contended that her decision had harmed national security, preventing intelligence community officials from reviewing the seized records, and was blocking the public’s urgent interest in pursuing evidence of crimes.

The ruling is another setback for federal prosecutors, who have expressed alarm at the extraordinarily sensitive records they found in boxes intermingled with Trump’s personal items in his Mar-a-Lago storage room, as well as some recovered from his office. DOJ has warned that Cannon’s Sept. 5 order — which enjoined the Justice Department from furthering its criminal review of the documents seized by FBI agents from Mar-a-Lago in August — had also disrupted a parallel risk assessment of those documents by the intelligence community. Though Cannon allowed that review to continue, DOJ emphasized that her order had sown confusion within the Executive Branch.

In one nod to the Justice Department, Cannon ordered Trump to shoulder the full cost of Dearie’s review, as well as any staff or associates he hires.
Cannon also clarified certain steps DOJ could take to further its criminal investigation even while the documents remained off-limits, such as “questioning witnesses and obtaining other information about the movement and storage of seized materials, including documents marked as classified, without discussion of their contents.”

She also said that DOJ was free to brief “Congressional leaders with intelligence oversight responsibilities” on the seized materials and from using the seized materials to conduct security assessments.

Cannon’s ruling denying the Justice Department’s stay makes clear she simply did not buy prosecutors’ argument that there was no way to allow an intelligence community review of the national security impact of the presence of the information at Mar-a-Lago to proceed, while temporarily putting the criminal investigation on hold.

“The Government’s submissions, read collectively, do not firmly maintain that the described processes are inextricably intertwined, and instead rely heavily on hypothetical scenarios and generalized explanations that do not establish irreparable injury,” she wrote.

However, the judge also emphasized that she was giving Justice Department personnel some leeway to participate in the national security assessment even as she maintains her order blocking the use of any of the documents in the criminal probe.

“To the extent that the Security Assessments truly are, in fact, inextricable from criminal investigative use of the seized materials, the Court makes clear that the September 5 Order does not enjoin the Government from taking actions necessary for the Security Assessments,” she wrote.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Judge rejects DOJ bid to delay Mar-a-Lago ruling, appoints special master
U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday rejected a Justice Department demand to permit federal prosecutors to continue their review of records marked classified that were recovered from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

In her ruling, Cannon refused to accept DOJ officials’ contention that the records they are attempting to review as part of an ongoing criminal investigation remain highly classified or contain extraordinarily sensitive defense information that could damage national security if released.

“The Court does not find it appropriate to accept the Government’s conclusions on these important and disputed issues without further review by a neutral third party in an expedited and orderly fashion,” the Trump appointee wrote in her 10-page ruling.

Cannon instead appointed Raymond Dearie, a senior judge in Brooklyn, N.Y., to lead an independent review of the seized materials. He was one of two potential special masters proposed by the Trump team and prosecutors said they found him acceptable even though he was not one of their initial picks.
In a signed filing, Dearie accepted the task. Cannon urged him to complete his review by Nov. 30 — more than a month after the Oct. 17 deadline DOJ had asked Cannon to set.

The Justice Department had previously appealed Cannon’s order to appoint a special master and had indicated it would seek relief from the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals if she did not agree to delay aspects of her ruling by Thursday night. The Justice Department contended that her decision had harmed national security, preventing intelligence community officials from reviewing the seized records, and was blocking the public’s urgent interest in pursuing evidence of crimes.

The ruling is another setback for federal prosecutors, who have expressed alarm at the extraordinarily sensitive records they found in boxes intermingled with Trump’s personal items in his Mar-a-Lago storage room, as well as some recovered from his office. DOJ has warned that Cannon’s Sept. 5 order — which enjoined the Justice Department from furthering its criminal review of the documents seized by FBI agents from Mar-a-Lago in August — had also disrupted a parallel risk assessment of those documents by the intelligence community. Though Cannon allowed that review to continue, DOJ emphasized that her order had sown confusion within the Executive Branch.

In one nod to the Justice Department, Cannon ordered Trump to shoulder the full cost of Dearie’s review, as well as any staff or associates he hires.
Cannon also clarified certain steps DOJ could take to further its criminal investigation even while the documents remained off-limits, such as “questioning witnesses and obtaining other information about the movement and storage of seized materials, including documents marked as classified, without discussion of their contents.”

She also said that DOJ was free to brief “Congressional leaders with intelligence oversight responsibilities” on the seized materials and from using the seized materials to conduct security assessments.

Cannon’s ruling denying the Justice Department’s stay makes clear she simply did not buy prosecutors’ argument that there was no way to allow an intelligence community review of the national security impact of the presence of the information at Mar-a-Lago to proceed, while temporarily putting the criminal investigation on hold.

“The Government’s submissions, read collectively, do not firmly maintain that the described processes are inextricably intertwined, and instead rely heavily on hypothetical scenarios and generalized explanations that do not establish irreparable injury,” she wrote.

However, the judge also emphasized that she was giving Justice Department personnel some leeway to participate in the national security assessment even as she maintains her order blocking the use of any of the documents in the criminal probe.

“To the extent that the Security Assessments truly are, in fact, inextricable from criminal investigative use of the seized materials, the Court makes clear that the September 5 Order does not enjoin the Government from taking actions necessary for the Security Assessments,” she wrote.
Time for DOJ to exploit the national security loophole with some ferocity.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Judge rejects DOJ bid to delay Mar-a-Lago ruling, appoints special master
U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday rejected a Justice Department demand to permit federal prosecutors to continue their review of records marked classified that were recovered from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

In her ruling, Cannon refused to accept DOJ officials’ contention that the records they are attempting to review as part of an ongoing criminal investigation remain highly classified or contain extraordinarily sensitive defense information that could damage national security if released.

“The Court does not find it appropriate to accept the Government’s conclusions on these important and disputed issues without further review by a neutral third party in an expedited and orderly fashion,” the Trump appointee wrote in her 10-page ruling.

Cannon instead appointed Raymond Dearie, a senior judge in Brooklyn, N.Y., to lead an independent review of the seized materials. He was one of two potential special masters proposed by the Trump team and prosecutors said they found him acceptable even though he was not one of their initial picks.
In a signed filing, Dearie accepted the task. Cannon urged him to complete his review by Nov. 30 — more than a month after the Oct. 17 deadline DOJ had asked Cannon to set.

The Justice Department had previously appealed Cannon’s order to appoint a special master and had indicated it would seek relief from the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals if she did not agree to delay aspects of her ruling by Thursday night. The Justice Department contended that her decision had harmed national security, preventing intelligence community officials from reviewing the seized records, and was blocking the public’s urgent interest in pursuing evidence of crimes.

The ruling is another setback for federal prosecutors, who have expressed alarm at the extraordinarily sensitive records they found in boxes intermingled with Trump’s personal items in his Mar-a-Lago storage room, as well as some recovered from his office. DOJ has warned that Cannon’s Sept. 5 order — which enjoined the Justice Department from furthering its criminal review of the documents seized by FBI agents from Mar-a-Lago in August — had also disrupted a parallel risk assessment of those documents by the intelligence community. Though Cannon allowed that review to continue, DOJ emphasized that her order had sown confusion within the Executive Branch.

In one nod to the Justice Department, Cannon ordered Trump to shoulder the full cost of Dearie’s review, as well as any staff or associates he hires.
Cannon also clarified certain steps DOJ could take to further its criminal investigation even while the documents remained off-limits, such as “questioning witnesses and obtaining other information about the movement and storage of seized materials, including documents marked as classified, without discussion of their contents.”

She also said that DOJ was free to brief “Congressional leaders with intelligence oversight responsibilities” on the seized materials and from using the seized materials to conduct security assessments.

Cannon’s ruling denying the Justice Department’s stay makes clear she simply did not buy prosecutors’ argument that there was no way to allow an intelligence community review of the national security impact of the presence of the information at Mar-a-Lago to proceed, while temporarily putting the criminal investigation on hold.

“The Government’s submissions, read collectively, do not firmly maintain that the described processes are inextricably intertwined, and instead rely heavily on hypothetical scenarios and generalized explanations that do not establish irreparable injury,” she wrote.

However, the judge also emphasized that she was giving Justice Department personnel some leeway to participate in the national security assessment even as she maintains her order blocking the use of any of the documents in the criminal probe.

“To the extent that the Security Assessments truly are, in fact, inextricable from criminal investigative use of the seized materials, the Court makes clear that the September 5 Order does not enjoin the Government from taking actions necessary for the Security Assessments,” she wrote.
I think she fucked herself for Trump, just like so many lawyers before her, she is either corrupt or incompetent, perhaps both. I think she will be on the DOJ's radar for this extraordinary performance in the face of precedent and law, every expert I've seen says she's a fool.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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ferocity? from Garland's DOJ... :-? can sloths be ferocious?
I'd say their timing is damn near perfect Donald fighting this shit in court throws it into election season and as I've said, Donald still has his uses. If Hilary came out shit on Donald and carried the banner for family planning rights, Trump would come out in favor of Lindsey's proposals on abortion, also because Mitch hates it. Trump would go overboard on abortion like everything else. Donald is still around and he's the ugly face of fascism in America too. We will see how long he's around after the election, or even just before. It also makes the J6 October surprises more effective and GOP candidates will be asked about the latest bombshell. What abortion doesn't get, Joe's accomplishments will and Trump's menace will help with the concern about democracy too, then there is a major victory in Ukraine. Garland has lot's of things he can indict Trump on and he can move the whole case out of Florida and to DC if he wants. Donald might not have got the hot lights national security treatment in a basement over the secret documents, but that does not mean his minions who were involved didn't, or won't.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Well, Loose is following the script for one of “my judges”.

I wonder if searching that man’s other residences would produce stolen documents unencumbered by an appellate judge who seems to me to be committing conspiracy to obstruct justice.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Garland has Donald firmly in his sights and he is a patient, persistent, more knowledgeable and a more intelligent judge than she is, plus he has a staff of experts. Donald won't squirm away and he is beginning to realize it. He doesn't act like someone who doesn't think he will be indicted, he's fighting it and reality like a maniac and just dropped 3 million up front for his latest legal star and potential victim.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Garland has Donald firmly in his sights and he is a patient, persistent, more knowledgeable and a more intelligent judge than she is, plus he has a staff of experts. Donald won't squirm away and he is beginning to realize it. He doesn't act like someone who doesn't think he will be indicted, he's fighting it and reality like a maniac and just dropped 3 million up front for his latest legal star and potential victim.
Yeah pretty much.

I still would like to see that man’s other residences searched without notice. I can’t imagine the warrant would be slow in being issued.
Bonus: more opprobrium on FBI by GOP just in time for the midterms.

After the maga phalanx forced Barrett into Scotus, the previous tradition of restraint is suspended.

Usual disclaimer applies.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Yeah pretty much.

I still would like to see that man’s other residences searched without notice. I can’t imagine the warrant would be slow in being issued.
Bonus: more opprobrium on FBI by GOP just in time for the midterms.

After the maga phalanx forced Barrett into Scotus, the previous tradition of restraint is suspended.

Usual disclaimer applies.
I think the more Donald squirms the more determined Garland becomes, corrupting a federal judge must have pissed him off, as would appointing an idiot to be one. There are so many crimes for Garland to choose from, so much low hanging fruit, it's even rotting on the ground. When he nails Donald it will be with a lot of big nails, he will have Cheeto Jesus fastened to his cross real good.
 
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