Roger A. Shrubber
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we don't shrug...a shrug is a way of giving up.
(yes, i identify as a klingon...you humans are too weak and forgiving, we would have eviscerated trump the first time he dishonored himself and the entire nation.
Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants
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(yes, i identify as a klingon...you humans are too weak and forgiving, we would have eviscerated trump the first time he dishonored himself and the entire nation.
printer
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DOJ seeks to call Trump bluff on declassification claims
The Justice Department sought to call the bluff of former President Trump’s statements about declassifying the records found at his Florida home, criticizing his legal team for insinuating – but failing to fully assert – the claim.
The response came after Trump’s attorneys on Monday repeatedly noted that Trump had the power to declassify records but stopped short of saying he actually did so despite a month of the former president airing the excuse.
“Plaintiff principally seeks to raise questions about the classification status of the records and their categorization under the Presidential Records Act (“PRA”). But plaintiff does not actually assert—much less provide any evidence—that any of the seized records bearing classification markings have been declassified,” the Justice Department wrote in its latest brief.
“Such possibilities should not be given weight absent plaintiff’s putting forward competent evidence.”
Though presidents have broad power to declassify records, doing so sets off a chain of events as the intelligence agencies that manage such records must take additional steps.
Trump’s legal team on Monday argued that just because a document taken during the search at Mar-a-Lago was labeled classified, it does not mean that status was maintained. All told, authorities have recovered more than 300 classified records from the property since January.
“The government’s stance assumes that if a document has a classification marking, it remains classified irrespective of any actions taken during President Trump’s term in office,” Trump’s legal team wrote.
“There is no legitimate contention that the chief executive’s declassification of documents requires approval of bureaucratic components of the executive branch.”
DOJ argued that Trump’s team sought to “change the subject by holding out the possibility that he could have declassified some of the seized records.”
“Even if plaintiff had declassified any of these records while he was president—a proposition that plaintiff does not specifically assert in any of his filings in these proceedings, in a sworn declaration, or through any evidence—any record bearing classification markings was necessarily created by the government and, therefore, is not plaintiff’s personal property,” they write.
Trump’s desire to keep them would also not outweigh the government’s need to review them both for national security purposes and as part of its broader criminal investigation.
The government also offered one of its most concise rejections yet of Trump’s claim that he could maintain any sort of executive privilege over the government records he stored at his home.
“Plaintiff offers no response to the government’s multiple arguments demonstrating that he cannot plausibly assert executive privilege to prevent the executive branch itself from reviewing records that executive branch officials previously marked as classified,” DOJ wrote.
thehill.com
The Justice Department sought to call the bluff of former President Trump’s statements about declassifying the records found at his Florida home, criticizing his legal team for insinuating – but failing to fully assert – the claim.
The response came after Trump’s attorneys on Monday repeatedly noted that Trump had the power to declassify records but stopped short of saying he actually did so despite a month of the former president airing the excuse.
“Plaintiff principally seeks to raise questions about the classification status of the records and their categorization under the Presidential Records Act (“PRA”). But plaintiff does not actually assert—much less provide any evidence—that any of the seized records bearing classification markings have been declassified,” the Justice Department wrote in its latest brief.
“Such possibilities should not be given weight absent plaintiff’s putting forward competent evidence.”
Though presidents have broad power to declassify records, doing so sets off a chain of events as the intelligence agencies that manage such records must take additional steps.
Trump’s legal team on Monday argued that just because a document taken during the search at Mar-a-Lago was labeled classified, it does not mean that status was maintained. All told, authorities have recovered more than 300 classified records from the property since January.
“The government’s stance assumes that if a document has a classification marking, it remains classified irrespective of any actions taken during President Trump’s term in office,” Trump’s legal team wrote.
“There is no legitimate contention that the chief executive’s declassification of documents requires approval of bureaucratic components of the executive branch.”
DOJ argued that Trump’s team sought to “change the subject by holding out the possibility that he could have declassified some of the seized records.”
“Even if plaintiff had declassified any of these records while he was president—a proposition that plaintiff does not specifically assert in any of his filings in these proceedings, in a sworn declaration, or through any evidence—any record bearing classification markings was necessarily created by the government and, therefore, is not plaintiff’s personal property,” they write.
Trump’s desire to keep them would also not outweigh the government’s need to review them both for national security purposes and as part of its broader criminal investigation.
The government also offered one of its most concise rejections yet of Trump’s claim that he could maintain any sort of executive privilege over the government records he stored at his home.
“Plaintiff offers no response to the government’s multiple arguments demonstrating that he cannot plausibly assert executive privilege to prevent the executive branch itself from reviewing records that executive branch officials previously marked as classified,” DOJ wrote.
DOJ seeks to call Trump bluff on declassification claims
The Justice Department sought to call the bluff of former President Trump for statements about declassifying the records found at his Florida home, criticizing his legal team for insinuating — but …
thehill.com
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
There is a subtle irony to the man who would be king emplacing, then using a judge called Cannon.DOJ seeks to call Trump bluff on declassification claims
The Justice Department sought to call the bluff of former President Trump’s statements about declassifying the records found at his Florida home, criticizing his legal team for insinuating – but failing to fully assert – the claim.
The response came after Trump’s attorneys on Monday repeatedly noted that Trump had the power to declassify records but stopped short of saying he actually did so despite a month of the former president airing the excuse.
“Plaintiff principally seeks to raise questions about the classification status of the records and their categorization under the Presidential Records Act (“PRA”). But plaintiff does not actually assert—much less provide any evidence—that any of the seized records bearing classification markings have been declassified,” the Justice Department wrote in its latest brief.
“Such possibilities should not be given weight absent plaintiff’s putting forward competent evidence.”
Though presidents have broad power to declassify records, doing so sets off a chain of events as the intelligence agencies that manage such records must take additional steps.
Trump’s legal team on Monday argued that just because a document taken during the search at Mar-a-Lago was labeled classified, it does not mean that status was maintained. All told, authorities have recovered more than 300 classified records from the property since January.
“The government’s stance assumes that if a document has a classification marking, it remains classified irrespective of any actions taken during President Trump’s term in office,” Trump’s legal team wrote.
“There is no legitimate contention that the chief executive’s declassification of documents requires approval of bureaucratic components of the executive branch.”
DOJ argued that Trump’s team sought to “change the subject by holding out the possibility that he could have declassified some of the seized records.”
“Even if plaintiff had declassified any of these records while he was president—a proposition that plaintiff does not specifically assert in any of his filings in these proceedings, in a sworn declaration, or through any evidence—any record bearing classification markings was necessarily created by the government and, therefore, is not plaintiff’s personal property,” they write.
Trump’s desire to keep them would also not outweigh the government’s need to review them both for national security purposes and as part of its broader criminal investigation.
The government also offered one of its most concise rejections yet of Trump’s claim that he could maintain any sort of executive privilege over the government records he stored at his home.
“Plaintiff offers no response to the government’s multiple arguments demonstrating that he cannot plausibly assert executive privilege to prevent the executive branch itself from reviewing records that executive branch officials previously marked as classified,” DOJ wrote.
DOJ seeks to call Trump bluff on declassification claims
The Justice Department sought to call the bluff of former President Trump for statements about declassifying the records found at his Florida home, criticizing his legal team for insinuating — but …
Roger A. Shrubber
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no...ultima ratio rattus bastardis...
printer
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DOJ sought Mar-a-Lago footage from days before Trump turned over docs to Archives
The Justice Department sought security footage at Mar-a-Lago from as far back as the week before former President Trump’s team turned over an initial batch of documents to the National Archives.
The detail surfaced as a federal magistrate judge agreed to a Justice Department request to unseal a slightly less redacted version of the affidavit used to gain a warrant to search Trump’s Florida home.
The bulk of the document unseals details that have since become public through reporting.
But the unsealed redactions offer a few new details about department’s investigation, particularly after it said in a late August filing that it had developed evidence that documents were “likely concealed and removed” while at Mar-a-Lago.
The May subpoena for video asks for camera footage from Jan. 10 onward, a little more than a week before Trump’s team turned over the 15 boxes to National Archives, which resulted in a referral to the Justice Department.
It’s unclear to what extent Trump’s team complied with that subpoena or if their cameras retained footage going back that far. The affidavit notes that Trump organization staff turned over a hard drive on July 6, but the rest of the paragraph remains redacted.
The New York Times previously reported that Mar-a-Lago had retained video footage for 60 days for some parts of the property.
The document also offers insights into conversations Trump’s attorneys had with the Justice Department following an additional May subpoena asking for the return of all records. Trump attorney Evan Corcoran primarily dealt with the Justice Department at that time.
Trump’s team turned over a limited number of documents while also submitting a sworn statement in June indicating there were no further records on the property.
During that exchange, a figure listed as “FPOTUS Counsel 1” told authorities he was advised that all the records that were being turned over to the Justice Department were from the Mar-a-Lago storage room and that he was not advised that any documents were within Trump’s personal office.
Investigators would show the attorney was mistaken during their August search, but the phrasing renews questions over who relayed this information to the attorney.
thehill.com
The Justice Department sought security footage at Mar-a-Lago from as far back as the week before former President Trump’s team turned over an initial batch of documents to the National Archives.
The detail surfaced as a federal magistrate judge agreed to a Justice Department request to unseal a slightly less redacted version of the affidavit used to gain a warrant to search Trump’s Florida home.
The bulk of the document unseals details that have since become public through reporting.
But the unsealed redactions offer a few new details about department’s investigation, particularly after it said in a late August filing that it had developed evidence that documents were “likely concealed and removed” while at Mar-a-Lago.
The May subpoena for video asks for camera footage from Jan. 10 onward, a little more than a week before Trump’s team turned over the 15 boxes to National Archives, which resulted in a referral to the Justice Department.
It’s unclear to what extent Trump’s team complied with that subpoena or if their cameras retained footage going back that far. The affidavit notes that Trump organization staff turned over a hard drive on July 6, but the rest of the paragraph remains redacted.
The New York Times previously reported that Mar-a-Lago had retained video footage for 60 days for some parts of the property.
The document also offers insights into conversations Trump’s attorneys had with the Justice Department following an additional May subpoena asking for the return of all records. Trump attorney Evan Corcoran primarily dealt with the Justice Department at that time.
Trump’s team turned over a limited number of documents while also submitting a sworn statement in June indicating there were no further records on the property.
During that exchange, a figure listed as “FPOTUS Counsel 1” told authorities he was advised that all the records that were being turned over to the Justice Department were from the Mar-a-Lago storage room and that he was not advised that any documents were within Trump’s personal office.
Investigators would show the attorney was mistaken during their August search, but the phrasing renews questions over who relayed this information to the attorney.
DOJ sought Mar-a-Lago footage from days before Trump turned over docs to Archives
The Justice Department sought security footage at Mar-a-Lago from as far back as the week before former President Trump’s team turned over an initial batch of documents to the National Archives.&nb…
thehill.com
captainmorgan
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The crack head pillow boi got his phone seized by the FBI.
Roger A. Shrubber
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If lindell actually knew anything important, i would be amazed. He seems like EXACTLY the kind of guy trump would keep around to throw under the bus at need, anything he got told was more than likely bullshit to make him feel like he was part of "the plan".
Roger A. Shrubber
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did you forget a link?
Dorian2
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I AM the link. Derived from thought.
MICHI-CAN
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Why not his assets?
And just because I see the reality of fools rallying to self proclaimed crack head from Minnesota. Is his suit against all machines not wire fraud at the least?
DIY-HP-LED
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Lawrence: Another One Of Trump's Lawyers Is In Very Serious Trouble
269,030 views Sep 15, 2022 MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains the legal trouble that Donald Trump’s lawyer could face after newly unredacted portions of the search warrant affidavit revealed FPOTUS COUNSEL 1 did not tell the truth about where classified documents were held at Mar-a-Lago and we also learned the FBI subpoenaed six months of surveillance video from Trump’s Florida home.
DIY-HP-LED
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Donald is hard on lawyers, Guinness book of world records territory...
David Enrich On Why Trump Can't Find Top-Notch Lawyers | One-on-One With Stephanie Ruhle
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David Enrich On Why Trump Can't Find Top-Notch Lawyers | One-on-One With Stephanie Ruhle
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printer
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DIY-HP-LED
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Donald has quite a lawyer head count, it would be impressive if he had them mounted on his wall like big game...
Billy the Mountain
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Trump says he ‘can’t imagine’ being indicted, argues it wouldn’t deter running again
Former President Trump on Thursday said he “can’t imagine being indicted” over his handling of classified documents or a scheme to put forward alternate electors after the 2020 election, but that if he were, it would not deter him from a possible White House run in 2024.
“I can’t imagine being indicted. I’ve done nothing wrong,” Trump told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.
“I don’t think the people of the United States would stand for it,” Trump added. “And as you know, if a thing like that happened, I would have no prohibition against running. You know that.”
Trump in the interview claimed he had no involvement in a plot to put forward alternate electors in Georgia that would have tipped the state for him despite President Biden winning by thousands of votes, though he insisted the concept was “very common.”
Georgia prosecutors have been investigating the scheme and interviewing Trump associates like Rudy Giuliani in the matter.
The former president also repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in his handling of classified documents after the FBI searched his Mar-a-Lago estate last month. The agency conducted the search months after it found dozens of classified and top secret documents at the residence and unsuccessfully tried to get the materials back from Trump.
Trump reasserted his claim that he had declassified all of the documents he kept at his home more than a year after leaving the White House, though experts have disputed he could do so without going through a more formal process, and Trump’s legal team has not argued in court that he declassified the materials.
“There is no reason that they can [indict], other than if they’re just sick and deranged, which is always possible, because I did absolutely… nothing wrong,” Trump said Thursday.
The former president repeatedly said he does not believe the American public will accept him being indicted, warning there would be “problems” if he were.
Hewitt, noting some would interpret his comments as inciting violence, asked what kind of problems he was referring to, though Trump did not specify.
“That’s not inciting, I’m just saying what my opinion is,” Trump said. “I don’t think the people of this country would stand for it.”
thehill.com
Former President Trump on Thursday said he “can’t imagine being indicted” over his handling of classified documents or a scheme to put forward alternate electors after the 2020 election, but that if he were, it would not deter him from a possible White House run in 2024.
“I can’t imagine being indicted. I’ve done nothing wrong,” Trump told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.
“I don’t think the people of the United States would stand for it,” Trump added. “And as you know, if a thing like that happened, I would have no prohibition against running. You know that.”
Trump in the interview claimed he had no involvement in a plot to put forward alternate electors in Georgia that would have tipped the state for him despite President Biden winning by thousands of votes, though he insisted the concept was “very common.”
Georgia prosecutors have been investigating the scheme and interviewing Trump associates like Rudy Giuliani in the matter.
The former president also repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in his handling of classified documents after the FBI searched his Mar-a-Lago estate last month. The agency conducted the search months after it found dozens of classified and top secret documents at the residence and unsuccessfully tried to get the materials back from Trump.
Trump reasserted his claim that he had declassified all of the documents he kept at his home more than a year after leaving the White House, though experts have disputed he could do so without going through a more formal process, and Trump’s legal team has not argued in court that he declassified the materials.
“There is no reason that they can [indict], other than if they’re just sick and deranged, which is always possible, because I did absolutely… nothing wrong,” Trump said Thursday.
The former president repeatedly said he does not believe the American public will accept him being indicted, warning there would be “problems” if he were.
Hewitt, noting some would interpret his comments as inciting violence, asked what kind of problems he was referring to, though Trump did not specify.
“That’s not inciting, I’m just saying what my opinion is,” Trump said. “I don’t think the people of this country would stand for it.”
Trump says he ‘can’t imagine’ being indicted, argues it wouldn’t deter running again
“I don’t think the people of this country would stand for it,” Trump says.
thehill.com
Roger A. Shrubber
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did someone really need to write a book about why trump can't find decent legal counsel? he's a criminal fuck who doesn't pay his bills, and seems to only hire lawyers he can influence...the intersection where those things meet is deserted, and likely to remain that way...he's already sacrificed all the sheep he could get his hands on easily, the rest got wise and run away from him
Roger A. Shrubber
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what a motherfucking piece of shit...i WANT his fucking magats to revolt, so they can be mowed down like the vermin they are, and the survivors can be put in prison, then on domestic terrorism lists that guarantee they'll never get a chance to do a damn thing again...Trump says he ‘can’t imagine’ being indicted, argues it wouldn’t deter running again
Former President Trump on Thursday said he “can’t imagine being indicted” over his handling of classified documents or a scheme to put forward alternate electors after the 2020 election, but that if he were, it would not deter him from a possible White House run in 2024.
“I can’t imagine being indicted. I’ve done nothing wrong,” Trump told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.
“I don’t think the people of the United States would stand for it,” Trump added. “And as you know, if a thing like that happened, I would have no prohibition against running. You know that.”
Trump in the interview claimed he had no involvement in a plot to put forward alternate electors in Georgia that would have tipped the state for him despite President Biden winning by thousands of votes, though he insisted the concept was “very common.”
Georgia prosecutors have been investigating the scheme and interviewing Trump associates like Rudy Giuliani in the matter.
The former president also repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in his handling of classified documents after the FBI searched his Mar-a-Lago estate last month. The agency conducted the search months after it found dozens of classified and top secret documents at the residence and unsuccessfully tried to get the materials back from Trump.
Trump reasserted his claim that he had declassified all of the documents he kept at his home more than a year after leaving the White House, though experts have disputed he could do so without going through a more formal process, and Trump’s legal team has not argued in court that he declassified the materials.
“There is no reason that they can [indict], other than if they’re just sick and deranged, which is always possible, because I did absolutely… nothing wrong,” Trump said Thursday.
The former president repeatedly said he does not believe the American public will accept him being indicted, warning there would be “problems” if he were.
Hewitt, noting some would interpret his comments as inciting violence, asked what kind of problems he was referring to, though Trump did not specify.
“That’s not inciting, I’m just saying what my opinion is,” Trump said. “I don’t think the people of this country would stand for it.”
Trump says he ‘can’t imagine’ being indicted, argues it wouldn’t deter running again
“I don’t think the people of this country would stand for it,” Trump says.