Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 41 28.5%

  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 35 24.3%

  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 68 47.2%
  • Total voters
    144
ANC

ANC

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cannabineer said:
No. It is not. Every single “Marxist” movement is or was hard-right. Lenin, Mao, Kim, the Congo etc. I cannot point to one instance if a collective society bigger than a kibbutz.

Your last sentiment is utopian. That is why Marxism cannot inform a government. It, like all utopian thought, violates human nature.

As for the millennia thing - (barring an asteroid or a full strategic exchange) in a coupla centuries, we will have the tools to change the hard nut at the center of all utopian fails. We will be able to change our natures on a molecular basis.

Oh, there will be war once humanity shatters into a dozen competing species.
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will probably just lead to a new source of discontent between transhumanists and those who could not afford the "üpgrades".
But I'm a big pessimist on a good day. I know I'm so far out on the spectrum I could never imagine a world constituted around this disposition.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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ANC said:
will probably just lead to a new source of discontent between transhumanists and those who could not afford the "üpgrades".
But I'm a big pessimist on a good day. I know I'm so far out on the spectrum I could never imagine a world constituted around this disposition.
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no worries. I possess deep wells of misanthropy.
I’m focusing on something I have heard from other intelligent and worldly people. They mistake a veneer of leftist terminology on a hard-right governing structure for something legitimate.

Marx gets a lot of undeserved abuse on those cognitively dissonant lines. All that is needed to debunk Marx is to remember that he claimed that in a society without material need, our better angels will prevail. This is the great lie of the collectivist left. It has never withstood test in any society bigger than a village.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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ANC said:
Oh, I have lived through the transition from being a dominant minority to having the communist majority take over.
I have seen what is inevitably going to happen where you live if western countries force only themselves to go through Marxist thinking to their detriment. And probably regardless if we try to change now... I think that bird has flown the coop already.
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who is pushing marxist thinking? i haven't heard one politician in America that i would rate as a real socialist, much less a marxist.
the true far left is just as dangerous as the far right, but there are far fewer of them, and they're not in control of a major political party...unlike the fascist authoritarian right. i'm not sure about the current politcial climate in Central and South America, there may be a few marxist leaning countries, but i doubt they're very influential
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
who is pushing marxist thinking? i haven't heard one politician in America that i would rate as a real socialist, much less a marxist.
the true far left is just as dangerous as the far right, but there are far fewer of them, and they're not in control of a major political party...unlike the fascist authoritarian right. i'm not sure about the current politcial climate in Central and South America, there may be a few marxist leaning countries, but i doubt they're very influential
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Can you give me an example of a true far left political movement?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
Can you give me an example of a true far left political movement?
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not really, which is why i say there are far fewer of them...
this is what i found...i don't know how far left the author considers "far left" though...in my opinion it's full time "power to the people, workers of the world unite, eat the rich"...with some social programs thrown in to keep things from going to hell too quickly...
https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/ipg/ipg-2009-1/10_a_march_us.pdf
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i would say for me to consider a movement "far left" they would have to be pretty much real socialists,
with a democratically elected government dividing up assets equally among all the citizens, and major decisions being made by referendum. of course, that would never fly unless the entire world was operating on the same system, and all the people in control could be trusted...so it would never fly
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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A humanitarian disaster is unfolding in Pakistan. Unprecedented flooding has destroyed towns and infrastructure. The Swat river is carrying the largest volume of water in recorded history. Far higher than the so called 1-in-1000 year "superflood” of 2010.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Ozumoz66

Ozumoz66

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In the 80s, while picking tobacco, we could expect a killer frost by mid September. Our hands were so cold early in the morning that we'd place them near the engine's manifold at the end of each row to warm up. During the last several days of harvest, a mickey of whisky was used to help warm us internally. At 15, it cost me $5, for a mickey only worth $3.50, but I was making $42/day. I got to keep anything over $200/week, so please baby Jesus let's hope the tobacco is ripe enough so I have to work Sunday and skip church.

Forty years later our killer frost doesn't happen till November 20th, a full two plus months later. It's a longer growing season now and there seem to be more invasive species, insect outbreaks and new diseases, as well as unpredictable rainfall and crop yields.

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