Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants

ANC

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I have a guy at work who keeps crowing about the coming "red wave". This week I raised the possibility to him that it might not go the way they think. I raised the point that things have been going against the wave for a while and that it might not amount to what they expect in magnitude. I asked him what he would think if he woke up and found that Republicans actually lost ground in the Senate. As I expected, he said the only way that could happen was through massive vote fraud "like the last one". He also said that if that happened, "they" would be going back to DC but this time with guns.

He is not entirely wrong, but it is not as bad as it sound.... even as a minority white, the epigenetic benefit and social credit I was just born with, even my child is still like a superstar performer compared to the kids who are now being allowed into the schools for the first or second generation ever.
Even with blatant discriminatory employment rules, as a group, we are living like kings compared to the average person in our country. So yes, as others are getting a fair chance at opportunities finally. Yes, it will reduce some of the benefits reserved for the few before. In the same way as dealing with this will also lead to more costs..... The alternative, in the long run, is orders of magnitude worse, maybe even a complete middle ages reset. So, it is a necessary and fair change, and it won't kill you (well, most of you), and I agree some might feel like the kid whose mom just had a new baby.

So I understand their fears (fear is a massive motivator, even when one tries to act tough). I think what the left often does is not acknowledge this, and this leads to backlash.


A whole conversation followed. He said that there is no way people wouldn't vote overwhelmingly Republican because he's talked to people in local stores and they are pissed about inflation. Amazing that America has seen inflation before without resorting to overthrowing democracy, isn't it? I agreed that nobody likes inflation but cautioned him about making judgements about the nation overall based on conversations he has locally. I asked him how many states he has been to in his more than 50 years on earth. He declined to say. I asked him if he had ever been to a city for more than a couple of hours. I asked him if he had ever seen an Ocean. Again, he refused to say.

In my experience, when you ask specific questions like this and don't get an answer, you are dealing with a person who has spent 99.9% of their lives in their own county. If not, you will get an answer, such as "sure, I spent a week in Atlanta" or "yes, I drove up the Atlantic Coast to Maine." If you get nothing, there is a strong likelihood that they have not spent more than a week outside of their home state.

I agree to more likely someone is never going to go out of town for the rest of their lives, the more they act like their world should represent the rest of the universe.

I was raised in a small racist little villiage and my first proper adult job was in Strand Street, Cape Town, and the first boss I had to report to on my first day of employment was a coloured lady (oh yeah we treat race like a rainbow rather than black or white, while never taking an eye off weather the person is non white or non black.) Man it changed my world. Catharsis is the only source of true change.


So a lot of these people have literally no baseline to make any judgements about how the rest of the country would vote. And yet, due to their being spoon fed one-sided propaganda and lies by a coordinated right-wing media machine, they are certain that they represent the vast majority of Americans. They have bought the myth that their freedumb is being impinged by a small group of "globalist elites". All this compounds their dumb rage to the point where they are just itching for a chance to grab their guns and shoot somebody... anybody, really. At best, we might dodge this bullet. But even if we do, we'll be dealing with this for years to come.

Red America is an open bucket of gasoline just begging for a match.

At some point you are goin to have to call their bluff
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The sad (dangerous) thing is despite the facts, a very large portion of your citizens are willing to clap their hands over their ears and shout "LALALALA" who still think this man is the second coming almost.
I'm Canadian and we have them too but here we have human rights commissions, hate crime laws, a domestic terrorist watch list and tighter media control. In Canada such people have no political home, no party will have them and kicks them out, we have a multiparty parliamentary system and they wander the political wilderness mostly homeless, though they tend to get more sympathy from the conservatives. Everybody apprehends the danger of allowing such people into your political party since Trump. These assholes will drive out the decent people and attract more of their kind until the party is poisoned and breaking the law regularly, sound familiar? Especially if there are just two options, the fascists have their very own propaganda network and a solid base of traditionally racist and bigoted support. These people will tolerate and support ANYTHING, no matter how stupid or how transparent the lie or how deadly the incompetence, power is everything to them, nothing else matters.
 

Herb & Suds

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I would like to raise the possibility that they are not smart.

They are also very well armed and full of dumb rage.

I have a guy at work who keeps crowing about the coming "red wave". This week I raised the possibility to him that it might not go the way they think. I raised the point that things have been going against the wave for a while and that it might not amount to what they expect in magnitude. I asked him what he would think if he woke up and found that Republicans actually lost ground in the Senate. As I expected, he said the only way that could happen was through massive vote fraud "like the last one". He also said that if that happened, "they" would be going back to DC but this time with guns.

A whole conversation followed. He said that there is no way people wouldn't vote overwhelmingly Republican because he's talked to people in local stores and they are pissed about inflation. Amazing that America has seen inflation before without resorting to overthrowing democracy, isn't it? I agreed that nobody likes inflation but cautioned him about making judgements about the nation overall based on conversations he has locally. I asked him how many states he has been to in his more than 50 years on earth. He declined to say. I asked him if he had ever been to a city for more than a couple of hours. I asked him if he had ever seen an Ocean. Again, he refused to say.

In my experience, when you ask specific questions like this and don't get an answer, you are dealing with a person who has spent 99.9% of their lives in their own county. If not, you will get an answer, such as "sure, I spent a week in Atlanta" or "yes, I drove up the Atlantic Coast to Maine." If you get nothing, there is a strong likelihood that they have not spent more than a week outside of their home state.

So a lot of these people have literally no baseline to make any judgements about how the rest of the country would vote. And yet, due to their being spoon fed one-sided propaganda and lies by a coordinated right-wing media machine, they are certain that they represent the vast majority of Americans. They have bought the myth that their freedumb is being impinged by a small group of "globalist elites". All this compounds their dumb rage to the point where they are just itching for a chance to grab their guns and shoot somebody... anybody, really. At best, we might dodge this bullet. But even if we do, we'll be dealing with this for years to come.

Red America is an open bucket of gasoline just begging for a match.
As a big ole country boy living in rural Michigan I attract this type like flies
I can walk up to any meat counter in the region and some dude will be staring at the counter with a look like we are kindred spirits and say something like “can you believe these prices? We need to fix it his in November “
I occasionally set em straight about how a global pandemic may have more to do with it than politics but it usually goes south and I start feeling like I’m talking to your guy at work locked and loaded with right wing media data
I just try to walk away these days
I actually feel a bit guilty when I do
So frustrating to watch people go down that road
 

ANC

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As a big ole country boy living in rural Michigan I attract this type like flies
I can walk up to any meat counter in the region and some dude will be staring at the counter with a look like we are kindred spirits and say something like “can you believe these prices? We need to fix it his in November “
I occasionally set em straight about how a global pandemic may have more to do with it than politics but it usually goes south and I start feeling like I’m talking to your guy at work locked and loaded with right wing media data
I just try to walk away these days
I actually feel a bit guilty when I do
So frustrating to watch people go down that road
In the old days how they fixed it, was to just pay the labour less. And this kinda got us to where we are now.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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As a big ole country boy living in rural Michigan I attract this type like flies
I can walk up to any meat counter in the region and some dude will be staring at the counter with a look like we are kindred spirits and say something like “can you believe these prices? We need to fix it his in November “
I occasionally set em straight about how a global pandemic may have more to do with it than politics but it usually goes south and I start feeling like I’m talking to your guy at work locked and loaded with right wing media data
I just try to walk away these days
I actually feel a bit guilty when I do
So frustrating to watch people go down that road
Get a "Biden Won" Tee shirt... "Trump is going to prison, argue with the judge" written on the back.
 

MickFoster

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It’s going to be a long week of listening to the violent radical right brag how Trumps judge has decided to appoint a special master in the case
Typical of everything trump
I’m thinking Hillary should do it :twisted:
According to the information that I have read..........the special master can only go over non-classified documents.........like passports and personal info.
Time will tell.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It’s going to be a long week of listening to the violent radical right brag how Trumps judge has decided to appoint a special master in the case
Typical of everything trump
I’m thinking Hillary should do it :twisted:
They already had a filter team go through it, but taking care of any possible wiggle room is not a problem and Garland wants to delay things a bit. This will just put another nail in Donald's coffin and delay indictments, which is a good thing right now. However Donald might be a bit too frightened now and could clam up, have a breakdown and go into a shell, ya want him on the road running rallies, preaching the big lie and crashing other republican's events to spout it and make sure they do too. Ya want Donald attacking the Mitch and the establishment GOP during the election with blood and gore ankle deep inside the republican party! :lol: If they won't die for Donald they are traitors and if he can't own the GOP, he will destroy it, or try to.

Donald is your best hope for 2022 IMHO, I have faith in Donald! :lol: To be lead by such a creature, is to be lead to doom and disaster and the only hope for the republicans is to have Donald in prison, Mitch knows this.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans in Congress who are relying on Donald Trump to excite voters in the fall elections are not only defending the former president against the FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago home but politically capitalizing on it with grave and potentially dangerous rhetoric against the nation’s justice system.

The party that once stood staunchly for law-and-order has dramatically reversed course, stirring up opposition to the FBI and tapping into political grievances and far-right conspiracies that fed the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

It’s all part of the GOP’s election year strategy to harness voter outrage over the unprecedented search, quickly and unequivocally set in motion as Trump hosted a dozen Republicans for dinner of steak and scallops at his private Bedminster club the day after the FBI action.

One Republican at the table, Rep. Troy Nehls of Texas, a former sheriff, said he told the former president “loud and clear” that it’s time to protect himself politically by declaring his 2024 campaign for the presidency.

“Mr. President, I said, the American people, your supporters, are concerned with this corrupt DOJ and the FBI.”

“If I were you, sir, announce you’re running for president,” Nehls recalled telling Trump. “Take that doubt, take that anxiety away from the people that want you to be our 47th president.”

The escalating rhetoric comes amid stark warnings of violence against law enforcement, including the Ohio police shooting Thursday of an armed man clad in body armor who tried to breach the FBI’s Cincinnati office and engaged in an hours-long standoff. The day before, FBI Director Christopher Wray had called the threats to agents and DOJ “deplorable.” The FBI has warned its agents to take precautions, citing an increase in social media threats to bureau personnel and facilities. In some extreme cases, GOP lawmakers and others are demanding the FBI be dismantled and defunded.

It’s all coming at a time of blistering attacks on the nation’s civic institutions that experts say is worrisome, if not dangerous, for the future of U.S. democracy. With no branch of government unscathed, the discord risks sowing distrust in the White House, the Congress and the Supreme Court. It has kept security tight in Washington, limiting public access to the government.

“All of this rhetoric is being thrown around without any consideration for possible consequences,” said Frank Montoya Jr., a retired FBI special agent who led the bureau’s field offices in Seattle and Honolulu.

“All that does is stir up that minority within the base that aren’t satisfied with just words, they actually want to act it out.”

Heidi Beirich, co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, said, “The vitriol coming from extremists, white supremacists and others, has been overwhelming,” pointing to rhetoric from Trump’s former campaign manager Steve Bannon and others warning of assassinations or calling for civil war.

“We usually expect that from these quarters, but the same kind of rhetoric is coming from prominent Republicans and Trump allies,” she said by email. “These comments coming from Republicans are really worrying as they are mainstreaming violent rhetoric.”

Asked Friday at the Capitol about the responsibility leaders have to tone down the rhetoric and keep the nation calm during times of uncertainty and distress, House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy demurred — and blamed Attorney General Merrick Garland.

“I think the attorney general has a real problem here,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy, who is in line to become speaker if his party wins House control, revived Republican concerns that Trump is being treated unfairly, as the first former president to have his home searched by the FBI, and he criticized the attorney general for delivering only a few minutes’ explanation during a press conference.

In McCarthy’s view, it was Garland, not his own party’s rhetoric, that was dividing the nation.

“Why would you pause and not talk to the American public, knowing where the American public is at, that he is just inflaming the public, and why would you only speak for a few moments?” McCarthy said. “So I think the attorney general has a lot of explaining to do.”

Republicans believe the Justice Department has been overly tough on Trump going back to the Russia investigation into allegations the president was colluding with a foreign entity, including when he called on Russia to release emails it had stolen from the Democratic National Committee during the 2016 presidential election.

The Republicans contrast the FBI search of Trump’s private club and residence with its treatment of Hillary Clinton, who was investigated for using a private email server in violation of government rules during her time as secretary of state — an offense the led to long chants of “Lock her up!” during Trump rallies.

The No. 3 House Republican, Rep. Elise Stefanik, claimed without evidence the Biden administration was “weaponizing” the Justice Department against Trump, a top potential 2024 rival for the White House.

She joined fellow House Republicans on the Intelligence Committee on Friday in demanding information, and vowed if their party wins control in the November election they will find out what happened.

“The House Republican majority will leave no stone unturned when it comes to transparency and accountability into the brazen politicization of Joe Biden’s Department of Justice and FBI targeting their political opponents,” Stefanik said.

Congressional Republicans have said their office phone lines are ringing from constituents outraged over the raid and they said they’ve never seen their colleagues more fired up to fight back — all the way to the November midterm elections.

Rep. Jim Banks, the Indiana Republican who organized the dinner with Trump, said they encouraged the former president to “kick off the campaign now” to seize the moment.

Banks said Trump will be a “big part” of the House Republicans’ campaign to win back the House majority.

House lawmakers returned to session Friday to vote, walking through metal detectors to screen against firearms, a legacy of the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. Lawmakers had a security briefing earlier this week to address ongoing threats against lawmakers.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Friday that Trump’s role inciting the insurrection at the Capitol was sufficient cause to have concerns about inflammatory political rhetoric.

“You would think there’s an adult in the Republican room who would say, ‘Just calm down and see what the facts are and let’s go for that,’” Pelosi said, “instead of again instigating assaults on law enforcement.”

One republican, Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, a former FBI agent, called on lawmakers to cool it.

“I don’t think any of this is okay,” Fitzpatrick told reporters.

“We’re the world’s oldest democracy, and that can go away very quickly,” he said. “As our adversaries have said so many times: The only way you defeat America, you’re never going to beat America from the outside, ever. The only way you beat the world’s greatest democracy is from within — turning American on American.”

He said, “So it’s incumbent upon everybody to act in a way that’s becoming of the office they hold — and that’s not casting judgment on anything until you know all the facts.”
 

hillbill

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I think trump has already utilized the documents he stole. Not like him to sit with something that loses value over time. There will be much more known and I think the findings will horrify any decent American. trump is only interested in trump and always has been.
“Everything that Donald Trump touches, dies.”
 

schuylaar

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Vlad got plans for Q36 space Modulator.
Who knew Marvin the Martian’s helmet would sport a yellow bristlebrush hair top ( trump )

Who knew Looney Toones had it right to begin with? If it wasn't for that and zombie movies I'd be lost about prepping for the future..they give you the best ideas- some you can put to use now.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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More bluffing?
These people are being watched like hawks and are riddled with informants and in some cases undercover agents. It will get a lot worse for them if they lose in November and the democrats pass domestic terrorist laws and a domestic terrorist watch list with no fly or guns. Losing their guns will put the fear of Jesus into them!

There is a lot on the line in November, more than most people think, if the republicans lose over abortion, there will be a war over it inside the GOP. It is an issue well past it's best before date and since Trump, the Christian right has been largely discredited and disgraced, along with Trump. Back when Dubya was POTUS everybody had Jesus as their imaginary friend and used to talk to him daily, but Cheeto Jesus put the run on him pretty quick. Suddenly the family values crowd, who crowed about morality, was ok with "grab them by the pussy" and all for the embodiment of the seven deadly sins.
 
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