Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants

Budzbuddha

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Judge gives Trump until Friday to better explain why he wants a special master for Mar-a-Lago documents ….

(CNN)A federal judge in Florida has given former President Donald Trump until Friday to refine the legal arguments in his request for a special master to oversee the review of evidence gathered in the Mar-a-Lago search.
District Court Judge Aileen Cannon in the Southern District of Florida ordered Trump's lawyers to elaborate on their arguments for why the court has the ability to step in at this time, explain what exactly Trump is asking for and whether the Justice Department has been served with Trump's special master motion.
Cannon also asked Trump's team to weigh in on any effect the request might have on a separate review conducted by a magistrate judge into whether any portions of the still-sealed FBI affidavit laying out probable cause for the search can be released.
The judge's order showcases many of the ways that the complaint filed by Trump fell short of what would have been expected of a court submission asking for the appointment of a special master-- particularly in a search as high-stakes as the one FBI executed at Mar-a-Lago earlier this month


Meanwhile at Traitor Lago …..

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Fogdog

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I think Betsy will leech votes from what might be called the moderate right in Oregon
Poll by Republican State Leadership Committee

Poll rating by 538: B+
Polling dates: Jun.28-30

31% Kotek
32% Drazan
24% Johnson

Kate Brown (D) won 50% of the vote in 2018. Knute Buehler (R) got 44% of the vote.

The distribution in the June 30 poll shows that you are probably right; that people from either side are drawn to the centrist, Johnson. That said, Drazan would have no chance without Johnson to split the vote. With Johnson, he's about even. So the split isn't even. More like 70% from Democrats and 30% from Republicans or maybe 60/40.

In any case, this poll came down just days after the SCOTUS ruling that overturned Roe. The Oregon Republican Party is extreme when it comes to the right for a woman to choose. Anti-choice is a very unpopular policy in Oregon. Also the poll was taken before all of Trump's legal issues heated up, and that's not cooling down. Far from it. A poll taken today will be different because people will have more information. This is why opinion polls taken this far out from election day have zero predictive value. You know how it is here, a lot of Oregonians won't get serious about their vote until closer to the election.
 
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CunningCanuk

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Judge gives Trump until Friday to better explain why he wants a special master for Mar-a-Lago documents ….

(CNN)A federal judge in Florida has given former President Donald Trump until Friday to refine the legal arguments in his request for a special master to oversee the review of evidence gathered in the Mar-a-Lago search.
District Court Judge Aileen Cannon in the Southern District of Florida ordered Trump's lawyers to elaborate on their arguments for why the court has the ability to step in at this time, explain what exactly Trump is asking for and whether the Justice Department has been served with Trump's special master motion.
Cannon also asked Trump's team to weigh in on any effect the request might have on a separate review conducted by a magistrate judge into whether any portions of the still-sealed FBI affidavit laying out probable cause for the search can be released.
The judge's order showcases many of the ways that the complaint filed by Trump fell short of what would have been expected of a court submission asking for the appointment of a special master-- particularly in a search as high-stakes as the one FBI executed at Mar-a-Lago earlier this month


Meanwhile at Traitor Lago …..

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From another article about this;

“For the review, the Justice Department is using what's known as "taint team," which is a group of prosecutors not working on the probe in question who filter out materials that should not be handed over to investigators.”

Taint team!

 

ANC

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Donald Trump appeared to concede in his court filing surrounding the seizure of materials from his Florida resort that he unlawfully retained official government documents, as the former president argued that some of the documents collected by the FBI could be subject to executive privilege.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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‘This Is A Damning Letter’: Attorney Baffled By Trump Team’s Decision To Release Archives Letter
285,849 views Aug 24, 2022 MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell speaks to national security attorney Mark Zaid, former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner, and former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman about the decision by Donald Trump and his allies to release a letter they received from the National Archives that described the back and forth over the over 700 government documents that were taken to Mar-a-Lago at the end of Trump’s presidency.
 

Offmymeds

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If he fucks enough of them and sends enough of them to prison, they might catch on, the smart ones have long ago. Seriously, Donald will hold the world record for fucking over lawyers and sending them to jail, for lawyers, Donald is a dangerous man! :lol:
It's funny that TFG's lawyers all need lawyers, even the WH counsel. If they try to delay and file frivolous motions it will personally cost them non-deductible legal fees that TFG either pays with someone else's money or doesn't pay at all.

Ain't it great hanging with a malignant narcissist?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's funny that TFG's lawyers all need lawyers, even the WH counsel. If they try to delay and file frivolous motions it will personally cost them non-deductible legal fees that TFG either pays with someone else's money or doesn't pay at all.

Ain't it great hanging with a malignant narcissist?
Donald is so evil he is contagious, like a permanent case of covid, to spend any time near him is a risk, the closer you got the more risk you were under. Some people have weak immune systems, some have weak characters and some have weak minds. Donald attracted the weak character and minded types like a moth to a flame, it doesn't usually end well for the moth, it can only be free when the flame is snuffed out.
 

schuylaar

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the only thing i've ever had to admit about trump is that he does have a set of brass balls on him...
he's about to be indicted for mishandling classified documents, stealing them to begin with, lying about it, potentially treason, and this is his response?..... :lol:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/23/first-thing-trump-sues-us-government-over-fbi-search-of-mar-a-lago

just exactly what does he think a special master is going to do? there is nothing "privileged" in those boxes, and if there was, he STILL SHOULDN'T FUCKING HAVE THEM...
that's really what this whole thing comes down to...he never should have taken those papers to begin with, under any circumstance...
is being too fucking stupid to understand the procedure that you didn't follow really a defense you want to employ?
"i'm sorry your honor, i didn't understand that my power over reality wasn't complete....it does explain why i couldn't turn Melania into Ivanka..."
With a Special Master there's a shot he could win- Trumps brain is single cell; he looks to just live another day.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Trump Appears To Concede In Filing He Unlawfully Retained Documents: Report
152,975 views Aug 24, 2022 The Guardian's Hugo Lowell discusses new reporting on a motion from former President Trump's lawyers that seems to argue some materials seized by the FBI could be subject to executive privilege.
 

printer

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Trump defiance of DOJ on classified docs comes into sharper focus
Former President Trump’s resistance to turning over what now appears to be a much larger tranche of documents than previously known could strengthen a potential case from the Justice Department against him and renews questions over whether the delay harmed national security.
A letter released by the National Archives on Tuesday indicates that an initial batch of 15 boxes of documents taken from Mar-a-Lago in January included 100 classified documents totaling 700 pages.

And reporting from The New York Times late Monday indicates that the government has recovered at least 300 classified documents from Trump since he left office.

Both offer insight into the volume of documents Trump took with him as he left office.
But the letter from the National Archives also shows the resistance Trump’s team had to any members of the intelligence community reviewing the documents so they could begin to assess whether there was damage done to any national security partners or methods.
“The volume of the documents and the length of the dispute, I think, makes the case stronger for the government that Donald Trump’s retention of these documents was willful,” said Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney, noting that the charges being weighed by the government require showing intent.

“When you have 300 of them, and you retain them for over a year after repeated requests, and they come down a few times, and you still have them — it seems that the case has become much stronger. And I think it becomes much more difficult for the Justice Department to simply say, ‘We’ve got documents back. We’re going to declare victory and go home,’” she added.
“And charging him is not an easy decision. But man, at some point, how do you decline to charge him when his conduct has been so egregious?”

The letter from the National Archives indicates that Trump’s legal team was aware as early as April that the FBI was eager to obtain the documents so that they could do a damage assessment to determine whether there was any fallout related to their mishandling.
“Access to the materials is not only necessary for purposes of our ongoing criminal investigation, but the Executive Branch must also conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported and take any necessary remedial steps,” Debra Steidel Wall, acting archivist of the United States, wrote in relaying a message from the Justice Department’s National Security Division.
The exchange revealed that among the materials were those at “the highest levels of classification, including Special Access Program (SAP) materials.” That can include documents that may only be viewed by those with a need to know.

Ryan Goodman, co-director of the Reiss Center on Law and Security at New York University School of Law, said those details could also be of use if the Justice Department decides to proceed with charges under the Espionage Act, one of the statutes listed on the initial warrant to search Trump’s property.
“It very significantly adds to the espionage charge because one of the elements of proving that crime is that the individual has reason to know that it’s the type of material that could injure the United States if released. And the Department of Justice’s National Security Division is clearly informing Trump that it is the kind of material that could have exceptional damage to U.S. national security,” he said.
“It absolutely goes to his knowledge and willfulness.”

There are practical reasons the FBI and the broader intelligence community would want to review the documents.
“It isn’t just that we’re worried that something’s going to happen to these documents, but if they have been disclosed to people who shouldn’t have them, you need to do a damage assessment,” said McQuade, the former U.S. attorney.
“You do a damage assessment to find out have sources been compromised, if people’s lives could be in danger. If we’ve got a source in Russia who’s sharing information with the U.S. government, that person’s life could be in danger. So you have to assess who’s had access to this, and then you go and look on channels and find out has his information dried up,” she said.

The National Archives ultimately waited a month before distributing the documents to the FBI to disseminate to other intelligence agencies.
Kel McClanahan, executive director of National Security Counselors, a nonprofit law firm specializing in national security law, said the delay shows a federal government seeking to carefully balance protecting the intelligence community with the sensitivities of dealing with a former president.
“The accepted viewpoint in the intelligence community is that every day that classified information remains in the wild, there’s an incrementally greater chance that it will be used by someone to hurt the United States,” he said.

Several experts were surprised that Archives and the Justice Department had moved so slowly in recovering the documents and sharing them with the appropriate agencies.
“This is really sensitive stuff. And the idea that they’re sitting around in the basement of a club, with civilians who are walking around – non government employees – with access to them is really disturbing,” McQuade said. “And then it wasn’t until August that they finally used the search warrant. If anything, I would like to have seen them be a little more assertive in getting these government secrets back months ago.”
“It’s a truly remarkable picture of two agencies who desperately wanted to peacefully resolve this hostage situation without pulling the trigger on the nuclear option and a person who just said, ‘Go to hell,’” McClanahan said.

The Trump team has since filed a motion that would once again delay the FBI from accessing the materials collected from Mar-a-Lago, this time asking a judge to assign a special master to the case who would review the evidence to determine whether it contains any privileged information.
A filter team at the Justice Department composed of prosecutors not associated with the case is currently doing a similar undertaking to determine whether any of Trump’s personal belongings were taken during the search.
Goodman said the filing makes weak claims, asserting that some of the documents taken may be protected by executive privilege.

“[That] makes no sense under law, because if it is, in fact, subject to executive privilege, that means it’s a government document, and hence, should be held by the government in the Archives. So that’s why it’s a very, very bad legal argument with no validity to it,” he said.
“The motion is a confession to having material you should not have in your house.”
The judge assigned to the case on Tuesday also seemed to question their legal argument, issuing an order directing Trump’s team to file an additional brief expanding on its legal rationale for the request.

Meanwhile, the letter from Archives came into the public domain after John Solomon, one of Trump’s representatives to the National Archives and a former columnist with The Hill, released it on his conservative news site, Just The News. Archives confirmed its authenticity Tuesday afternoon.

Observers have questioned the decision to publish a letter that shows not only the breadth of classified information held by Trump, but also publicizes the extent the Trump team sought to block the FBI’s work.
“This letter was a truly remarkable self-own by a team known for self-owns,” McClanahan said.

“Every single piece of evidence that shows that DOJ tried literally everything they could to get these records back short of the search warrant punctures another hole in the theory that they were just on a witch hunt. They went above and beyond to accommodate an unreasonable individual.”
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3612830-trump-defiance-of-doj-on-classified-docs-comes-into-sharper-focus/
 

Herb & Suds

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Trump defiance of DOJ on classified docs comes into sharper focus
Former President Trump’s resistance to turning over what now appears to be a much larger tranche of documents than previously known could strengthen a potential case from the Justice Department against him and renews questions over whether the delay harmed national security.
A letter released by the National Archives on Tuesday indicates that an initial batch of 15 boxes of documents taken from Mar-a-Lago in January included 100 classified documents totaling 700 pages.

And reporting from The New York Times late Monday indicates that the government has recovered at least 300 classified documents from Trump since he left office.

Both offer insight into the volume of documents Trump took with him as he left office.
But the letter from the National Archives also shows the resistance Trump’s team had to any members of the intelligence community reviewing the documents so they could begin to assess whether there was damage done to any national security partners or methods.
“The volume of the documents and the length of the dispute, I think, makes the case stronger for the government that Donald Trump’s retention of these documents was willful,” said Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney, noting that the charges being weighed by the government require showing intent.

“When you have 300 of them, and you retain them for over a year after repeated requests, and they come down a few times, and you still have them — it seems that the case has become much stronger. And I think it becomes much more difficult for the Justice Department to simply say, ‘We’ve got documents back. We’re going to declare victory and go home,’” she added.
“And charging him is not an easy decision. But man, at some point, how do you decline to charge him when his conduct has been so egregious?”

The letter from the National Archives indicates that Trump’s legal team was aware as early as April that the FBI was eager to obtain the documents so that they could do a damage assessment to determine whether there was any fallout related to their mishandling.
“Access to the materials is not only necessary for purposes of our ongoing criminal investigation, but the Executive Branch must also conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported and take any necessary remedial steps,” Debra Steidel Wall, acting archivist of the United States, wrote in relaying a message from the Justice Department’s National Security Division.
The exchange revealed that among the materials were those at “the highest levels of classification, including Special Access Program (SAP) materials.” That can include documents that may only be viewed by those with a need to know.

Ryan Goodman, co-director of the Reiss Center on Law and Security at New York University School of Law, said those details could also be of use if the Justice Department decides to proceed with charges under the Espionage Act, one of the statutes listed on the initial warrant to search Trump’s property.
“It very significantly adds to the espionage charge because one of the elements of proving that crime is that the individual has reason to know that it’s the type of material that could injure the United States if released. And the Department of Justice’s National Security Division is clearly informing Trump that it is the kind of material that could have exceptional damage to U.S. national security,” he said.
“It absolutely goes to his knowledge and willfulness.”

There are practical reasons the FBI and the broader intelligence community would want to review the documents.
“It isn’t just that we’re worried that something’s going to happen to these documents, but if they have been disclosed to people who shouldn’t have them, you need to do a damage assessment,” said McQuade, the former U.S. attorney.
“You do a damage assessment to find out have sources been compromised, if people’s lives could be in danger. If we’ve got a source in Russia who’s sharing information with the U.S. government, that person’s life could be in danger. So you have to assess who’s had access to this, and then you go and look on channels and find out has his information dried up,” she said.

The National Archives ultimately waited a month before distributing the documents to the FBI to disseminate to other intelligence agencies.
Kel McClanahan, executive director of National Security Counselors, a nonprofit law firm specializing in national security law, said the delay shows a federal government seeking to carefully balance protecting the intelligence community with the sensitivities of dealing with a former president.
“The accepted viewpoint in the intelligence community is that every day that classified information remains in the wild, there’s an incrementally greater chance that it will be used by someone to hurt the United States,” he said.

Several experts were surprised that Archives and the Justice Department had moved so slowly in recovering the documents and sharing them with the appropriate agencies.
“This is really sensitive stuff. And the idea that they’re sitting around in the basement of a club, with civilians who are walking around – non government employees – with access to them is really disturbing,” McQuade said. “And then it wasn’t until August that they finally used the search warrant. If anything, I would like to have seen them be a little more assertive in getting these government secrets back months ago.”
“It’s a truly remarkable picture of two agencies who desperately wanted to peacefully resolve this hostage situation without pulling the trigger on the nuclear option and a person who just said, ‘Go to hell,’” McClanahan said.

The Trump team has since filed a motion that would once again delay the FBI from accessing the materials collected from Mar-a-Lago, this time asking a judge to assign a special master to the case who would review the evidence to determine whether it contains any privileged information.
A filter team at the Justice Department composed of prosecutors not associated with the case is currently doing a similar undertaking to determine whether any of Trump’s personal belongings were taken during the search.
Goodman said the filing makes weak claims, asserting that some of the documents taken may be protected by executive privilege.

“[That] makes no sense under law, because if it is, in fact, subject to executive privilege, that means it’s a government document, and hence, should be held by the government in the Archives. So that’s why it’s a very, very bad legal argument with no validity to it,” he said.
“The motion is a confession to having material you should not have in your house.”
The judge assigned to the case on Tuesday also seemed to question their legal argument, issuing an order directing Trump’s team to file an additional brief expanding on its legal rationale for the request.

Meanwhile, the letter from Archives came into the public domain after John Solomon, one of Trump’s representatives to the National Archives and a former columnist with The Hill, released it on his conservative news site, Just The News. Archives confirmed its authenticity Tuesday afternoon.

Observers have questioned the decision to publish a letter that shows not only the breadth of classified information held by Trump, but also publicizes the extent the Trump team sought to block the FBI’s work.
“This letter was a truly remarkable self-own by a team known for self-owns,” McClanahan said.

“Every single piece of evidence that shows that DOJ tried literally everything they could to get these records back short of the search warrant punctures another hole in the theory that they were just on a witch hunt. They went above and beyond to accommodate an unreasonable individual.”
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3612830-trump-defiance-of-doj-on-classified-docs-comes-into-sharper-focus/
 
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