How I accelerate fade in soil

[Drop That Sound]

This gotta be a BS statement …. Joke or whatever.

No I actually did that like 20 something years ago. When I was still a teen, and still growing in cardboard boxes in my closet with street lamps. And photo trons, before I knew what I was doing, besides a few outdoor attempts. Or ever heard the term electro-culture, or knew about mutations. I found seeds in a well known party rave/grow house that was busted/abandoned, but we still went their to hang out sometimes for months afterwords. On the top shelf in a closet. I was 16 when it happened.

We planted a bunch of them along side some other strains that my buddies bro had, out behind the horse barn. I was always fucking with the plants and doing stupid shit. Thinking back, I thought cannabis was the coolest thing on the planet, and I fucked with it like a younger boy does with his GI Joes and Turtles.

I remember just learning about topping plants, but I couldn't just take big bro's advice, and had to fuck around with them constantly. me and my buddy probably talked about marijuana around his bro so much it was irritating, come to think of it. We were little shits, messing with everything.

We got the bright idea to hook up a 9 volt battery with alligator clips to his plant that we just topped. We also injected some nutrient directly into the stem, vf11 i think. We called the plant frankenstein, and joked around saying "its alive its alive!" and shit like that. Rocking to Nirvana. I remember it vividly.

I shit you knot, that within a week, the spot we hooked the clips started to form a giant cyst like blob on one side, where one of the 2 new shoots should have been.

I think there was eletrolysis happening within the stalk, and it somehow altered the genes of the 10 or more shoots that came from the blob. Normally when you top, you get 2 or rarley 3 new shoots. Not on Frankenstein the plant though, no. Everything that grew from those 10 new branches that came out of the cyst had multiple mutations that I can't quite describe. 14 prong leaves, while the rest of the normal plant had 7. It grew the weirdest bud formations i've ever seen, and my buddies bro couldn't fucking believe it, that we created some weird plant like that. He even called his other grower friends to come look.

Believe it or not, but i'm telling the gods honest truth.

 

[Kassiopeija]

So you’re saying it’s just coincidence that I was banned from your thread?

it was an act of mercy by the just forum managers. We really need to have a personal blacklist to ban the sickos out of our valuable content.

I didn’t post anything but questions and helpful advice.

You mistook heatstress with K-def and started trolling. You were indecent by refusing to answer any relevant question. Typically you are in for the no bueno...

PERIOD!

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

More from my Citradelic Sunset hunt:

Ethos?.. I just did a room of that last year. Good stuff!

 

[xtsho]

Bunch of rookies without a clue how to get their Fade on. I been Fadin since most of y'all we're still wiping boogers under your desks in grade school. When it comes to Fadin I'm the real G.

I pull the shit right out of the plant in minutes with my proprietary FadeMaster™ technology. You can watch the green fade away as all those built up nutrients and chlorophyll are removed.

Just look at the pretty colors from a true Fade using the FadeMaster™. It's like fall in Vermont. Hit me up on Instagram and subscribe to my Youtube channel and you might be one of the lucky ten people I'll be giving a free Fademaster™ to. I'm know as GrandMaster Fade on both Youtube and Instagram. Also the first 100 people that Like my FadeMaster™ video will have a chance to win some of my other merchandise. I'll be giving away t-shirts and coffee mugs with the GrandMaster Fade logo so you can show off to all your friends.

 

[Drop That Sound]

 

[PadawanWarrior]

So you’re saying it’s just coincidence that I was banned from your thread? I didn’t post anything but questions and helpful advice.

You're still a newbie too. I don't know how you got so cocky so fast,

Twentyeight.threefive's Grow Journal - 2nd grow

Day 109 - 6/18/2020 Captain's Log. Stardate 109.6182020. Things are progressing wonderfully, The buds seems dense as a rock and heavy, just what you'd hope for in these specimens. Anyways... lol. Getting anxious to cut these bad-girls down though! I'm going to shoot for 6/24/2020 as the harvest...

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[Star Dog]

Planks buds... Lmao


How can such a fk up have so much to say?

 

[Wizzlebiz]

To me the op wasn’t necessarily telling people how to grow their plants, it sounded to me more like they were sharing a strategy they’ve discovered for achieving a fade. I’ve browsed the forums a lot and I’ve never seen this mentioned.

You don't see it mentioned because it's fucking ridiculous. Starving the plant for some bro science bullshit is exactly the type of misinformation that stunts new growers ability to do shit right.

 

[Star Dog]

Star Dog...
aka Darth Fader

I'll get my coat!

 

[budtoker221]

You don't see it mentioned because it's fucking ridiculous. Starving the plant for some bro science bullshit is exactly the type of misinformation that stunts new growers ability to do shit right.

it’s not that ridiculous in my opinion maybe a ph of 4 might seem way too acidic, but will it affect the taste potency or quality of the buds in a bad way? If it’s just watered a few times at the end of flower? Idk.
I’m sure the result is going to be completely different depending on what type of acid used whether it’s citric acid, phosphoric acid. Nitric or sulfuric etc.
I’m using sulfuric since it seems to be the most commonly used acid in agriculture, I’ve read they use ph 4 water with sulfuric acid on blueberry plants when they need to drop the ph of the soil to make it more of a suitable ph for blueberry plants.
Of course cannabis plants are totally different and apparently don’t like soil as acidic as blueberries but say for example if your using lime in your soil and not PHing your water to below 6, if the water for the whole grow is 7, the low PH treatment at the end of flower as suggested here might not really drop the soil ph too much out of whack (based on bro science speculation) it could possibly just bring the ph of the soil back to a range it might typically be if you were to feed 5.5 Ph the whole grow.

From what I’ve read unpolluted rainwater can have a ph as low as 5.0, and it’s not considered acid rain until it’s below 5.0.
When I started adding the ph down to my water a few weeks ago I wasn’t going for the super low PH of 4 that OP is suggesting, but maybe just 5.0 which apparently is within the normal Ph range of rainwater although rainwater apparently typically has a PH closer to 5.6

 

[OldMedUser]

it’s not that ridiculous in my opinion maybe a ph of 4 might seem way too acidic, but will it affect the taste potency or quality of the buds in a bad way? If it’s just watered a few times at the end of flower? Idk.
I’m sure the result is going to be completely different depending on what type of acid used whether it’s citric acid, phosphoric acid. Nitric or sulfuric etc.
I’m using sulfuric since it seems to be the most commonly used acid in agriculture, I’ve read they use ph 4 water with sulfuric acid on blueberry plants when they need to drop the ph of the soil to make it more of a suitable ph for blueberry plants.
Of course cannabis plants are totally different and apparently don’t like soil as acidic as blueberries but say for example if your using lime in your soil and not PHing your water to below 6, if the water for the whole grow is 7, the low PH treatment at the end of flower as suggested here might not really drop the soil ph too much out of whack (based on bro science speculation) it could possibly just bring the ph of the soil back to a range it might typically be if you were to feed 5.5 Ph the whole grow.

From what I’ve read unpolluted rainwater can have a ph as low as 5.0, and it’s not considered acid rain until it’s below 5.0.
When I started adding the ph down to my water a few weeks ago I wasn’t going for the super low PH of 4 that OP is suggesting, but maybe just 5.0 which apparently is within the normal Ph range of rainwater although rainwater apparently typically has a PH closer to 5.6

I know about peat bogs. I grew up in Richmond, BC on Lulu Island in the Fraser River next to south Vancouver and blueberries are huge there as half the island is peat bog. My mom's older sister lived in Ditchmond, (so named as there were ditches everywhere for drainage), as Lulu Island is below average tide levels and diked all around for a lot of it. Many a happy hour catching frogs out front of our house when I was a kid. Mom's first job was cutting peat for fuel. They would cut slabs and stack them in stooks to dry. She told me a story about a couple there that snuck off at lunch to fool around behind some bushes and when they didn't come back they went looking for them. All they found were some clothes and a fiery hole in the bog. Peat fires can smoulder underground for years and are notoriously hard to put out. Seems they rolled over a weak spot above such a fire and broke through. I still shudder when I think of that. She had a newspaper clipping of it she saved. I should see if she still has it next time I talk to her. That will be Saturday when I call to wish her a happy 95th b-day!

Peat bogs are very acidic and can be less than pH4. That's why bodies stay so well preserved in them.

Too high a pH is a major cause of lockouts and I wonder if raising the pH to 8 or so would work even better if this technique works at all.

I don't feed heavy and like to see the big fans fading the last couple of weeks but other than cut back some on what they get don't flush or starve them. I tend to crop in stages so the lower buds get some time in the light to ripen up before it all gets chopped so there needs to be something for them to feed on. Same in DWC were I never changed nutes for the whole grow but would remove half the nutes and top up with RO water to drop the ppm by half to around 300 - 400ppm. Same kind of treatment with soilless and hydro nutes in pots. Just flush half the pot volume of water thru to drop nute levels. Doesn't work in soils with lots of organics tho I wouldn't think.

Some people ought to lighten up around here tho. It's not like this was put forward as a 'Thing to do 'cause it works so well' but just another discussion about something that may or may not have some merit. Experimenting is a big part of what keeps me going after all these years of growing my own. First buds in '78 tho I had grown plants from bag seeds years before that. In Feb it will be 22 years of non-stop growing since I moved north with six hash plant clones on Valentine's Day 2001.

Some of the '78 bud. Not much to look at now but all my buddies loved it. No seeds at least!

 

[Brettman]

it was an act of mercy by the just forum managers. We really need to have a personal blacklist to ban the sickos out of our valuable content.

You mistook heatstress with K-def and started trolling. You were indecent by refusing to answer any relevant question. Typically you are in for the no bueno...

PERIOD!

Umm… I’ve yet to see any of this “valuable content”.

 

[Brettman]

Bunch of rookies without a clue how to get their Fade on. I been Fadin since most of y'all we're still wiping boogers under your desks in grade school. When it comes to Fadin I'm the real G.

This is hilarious.

 

[Blue brother]

Most people seek advice about making things better, you got guys in here straight up asking and advising about best way to make ur plant unhealthy, you couldn’t make this shit up

 

[budtoker221]

I know about peat bogs. I grew up in Richmond, BC on Lulu Island in the Fraser River next to south Vancouver and blueberries are huge there as half the island is peat bog. My mom's older sister lived in Ditchmond, (so named as there were ditches everywhere for drainage), as Lulu Island is below average tide levels and diked all around for a lot of it. Many a happy hour catching frogs out front of our house when I was a kid. Mom's first job was cutting peat for fuel. They would cut slabs and stack them in stooks to dry. She told me a story about a couple there that snuck off at lunch to fool around behind some bushes and when they didn't come back they went looking for them. All they found were some clothes and a fiery hole in the bog. Peat fires can smoulder underground for years and are notoriously hard to put out. Seems they rolled over a weak spot above such a fire and broke through. I still shudder when I think of that. She had a newspaper clipping of it she saved. I should see if she still has it next time I talk to her. That will be Saturday when I call to wish her a happy 95th b-day!

Peat bogs are very acidic and can be less than pH4. That's why bodies stay so well preserved in them.

Too high a pH is a major cause of lockouts and I wonder if raising the pH to 8 or so would work even better if this technique works at all.

I don't feed heavy and like to see the big fans fading the last couple of weeks but other than cut back some on what they get don't flush or starve them. I tend to crop in stages so the lower buds get some time in the light to ripen up before it all gets chopped so there needs to be something for them to feed on. Same in DWC were I never changed nutes for the whole grow but would remove half the nutes and top up with RO water to drop the ppm by half to around 300 - 400ppm. Same kind of treatment with soilless and hydro nutes in pots. Just flush half the pot volume of water thru to drop nute levels. Doesn't work in soils with lots of organics tho I wouldn't think.

Some people ought to lighten up around here tho. It's not like this was put forward as a 'Thing to do 'cause it works so well' but just another discussion about something that may or may not have some merit. Experimenting is a big part of what keeps me going after all these years of growing my own. First buds in '78 tho I had grown plants from bag seeds years before that. In Feb it will be 22 years of non-stop growing since I moved north with six hash plant clones on Valentine's Day 2001.

Some of the '78 bud. Not much to look at now but all my buddies loved it. No seeds at least!

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Gotta love those wild Canadian blueberries. I’m not from Canada but my family used to take yearly trips to Cape Breton Island to hike and explore the river canyons that drain from the highland platue that consists mostly of peat bogs where we would often find wild blueberries for miles. The rivers and brooks in these canyons have so much tannic acid that they are a dark amber color and if the water is deep enough, it looks black. There was a particularly formidable canyon near the headwaters of the Cheticamp river where the canyon was sheer cliffs on each side over 100 ft tall, with cascading waterfalls that you sometimes couldn’t get past, we called this particular stretch of the river “black pool chasm”

we used to buy the roadside blueberries in New Brunswick by the flat, and they would be half disappeared by the time we got home.

 

[budtoker221]

Most people seek advice about making things better, you got guys in here straight up asking and advising about best way to make ur plant unhealthy, you couldn’t make this shit up

From my perspective it’s about the quality of the finished product, not how perfectly green the leaves look.
I got tomatoes in my garden where the leaves are half yellow, yet the tomatoes look perfectly ripe, should I have added some cal mag?

 

[Creature1969]

From my perspective it’s about the quality of the finished product, not how perfectly green the leaves look.
I got tomatoes in my garden where the leaves are half yellow, yet the tomatoes look perfectly ripe, should I add some cal mag?

Tomatoes aren't nearly as picky as weed. Tomato plants also continue growth while fruiting where weed concentrates solely on bud production.
It's like saying a spider plant can live off just tap water so weed will too.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

From my perspective it’s about the quality of the finished product, not how perfectly green the leaves look.
I got tomatoes in my garden where the leaves are half yellow, yet the tomatoes look perfectly ripe, should I have added some cal mag?

You shouldn't do it to tomatoes either. You shouldn't do it to any plant for that matter.

 

[mudballs]

Most people seek advice about making things better, you got guys in here straight up asking and advising about best way to make ur plant unhealthy, you couldn’t make this shit up

You promote drying cannabis in a household refrigerator...you should ease up on playing referee

 

[budtoker221]

You shouldn't do it to tomatoes either. You shouldn't do it to any plant for that matter.

the tomatoes turn out perfect every year, and since we amend the dirt before planting they mature and fruit just fine, we don’t have time to make sure every leaf is perfectly green, and I’m skeptical that fertilizing that much would actually make them taste better.