Nutrient Manufacturers

White.Black

Well-Known Member
Hello.

So for my first grow I used fox farm trio (Tiger bloom, Grow big, Big Bloom). The plant really liked it, it grew uncontrollably (granted, not because of the nutes necessarily but likely genetics and environmental factors)...but it did grow, and using fox farm worked well, i did not have any deficiency and definitely not stunted growth. There was issues with nitrogen overdose, but that also may be hydroponics/environmental issues. Plant was very thirsty.

On my second grow (current one) I switched to something called "Nutra Hydroponics" which is basically duplicated General Hydroponics Flora series.

So the nutra hydroponics that I use now has following npk ratios:
Nutra Micro - 5-0-1
Nutra Grow - 2-1-6
Nutra Bloom - 0-5-4

I actually don't know the ratios for fox farm, it's not written on their product. The reason for the switch was the price. This Nutra Hydroponics is a local manufacturer and is significantly cheaper.

First grow was Most likely a Thai Sativa, or a hybrid of Thai and White widow (I ordered it as white widow from a guy on facebook).
The second grow is white widow from RQS, feminized.

I'm somewhat disappointed with the RQS white widow, while not exactly stunted, it looks so short and bushy, and I can't see getting decent yield out of it. The branches are super thin, there are ton of small leaves. Since I'm only growing one, I'm wondering it might be the seed itself that had weak genetics, or it may be all of the white widows from RQs that are like this, or it might be nutrients, because that's the only thing I changed. All the rest is same, environment, equipment, etc.

So after a wall of text, here finally comes the question. Is there any significant / noticeable difference between nutrient manufacturers in terms of growth rate, or is it all the same/similar, and the only thing that influence the look and the rate of grow is genetics / environment? I read some people complain about the taste of weed grown on general hydroponics vs something else, I really don't care about that part at the moment, just wondering about growth, because I'm trying to explain the unimpressive grow that I run now, compared to the monster I had few months ago.

Here's the picture comparing the two:

comparison-thai-rqs.jpg


I would experiment, but I'm limited in space and equipment, so I can't run parallel grows with same seed but different nutrients... and it's my second grow now, so I lack experience.
 

Dorian2

Well-Known Member
Is the Thai more Sativa dominant than the White Widow?

Might have something to do with it.
 

White.Black

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Is the Thai more Sativa dominant than the White Widow?

Might have something to do with it.
Definitely there's some genetic factors. I honestly have no idea what it was... the guy on facebook advertised it as white widow, I planted two seeds one was male, one female, I pulled the male.
I'm assuming it's sativa dominant because it's likely that at some point somebody got white widow, and it got crossed with random Thai plant, but i have no idea.

But the question is more general, like would it matter if i had same strain, seeds from same mother plant but feed them different nutes in hydroponics, would they develop differently?

If they would, and it matters... I wouldn't mind spending extra money on eg. fox farm, vs general hydroponics...to get the best yield possible in shortest time possible.
 

TCH

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But the question is more general, like would it matter if i had same strain, seeds from same mother plant but feed them different nutes in hydroponics, would they develop differently?
Growing out 2 seeds, even from the same plant, can toss that whole experiment right out the window due to different phenotypes. The best way would be to clone your current plant and start 2 clones side by side. All things exactly the same with the exception of your 2 nutes. Granted, this will still be way too small of a test subject for solid factual evidence, but, you could definitely compare apples to apples with that setup.
 

harris hawk

Well-Known Member
Definitely there's some genetic factors. I honestly have no idea what it was... the guy on facebook advertised it as white widow, I planted two seeds one was male, one female, I pulled the male.
I'm assuming it's sativa dominant because it's likely that at some point somebody got white widow, and it got crossed with random Thai plant, but i have no idea.

But the question is more general, like would it matter if i had same strain, seeds from same mother plant but feed them different nutes in hydroponics, would they develop differently?

If they would, and it matters... I wouldn't mind spending extra money on eg. fox farm, vs general hydroponics...to get the best yield possible in shortest time possible.
Yes Thai a the orgional is 100% sativa with long flower times lus ordered some Panama Red and Malwai x Panama true sativa's
 

ismann

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The one on the left is Thai? Doesn't look like Thai to me.

Nutes are nutes for the most part. Growth rate depends a lot more on genetics and medium rather than nutes.
 

Bucsfan80

Well-Known Member
Hello.

So for my first grow I used fox farm trio (Tiger bloom, Grow big, Big Bloom). The plant really liked it, it grew uncontrollably (granted, not because of the nutes necessarily but likely genetics and environmental factors)...but it did grow, and using fox farm worked well, i did not have any deficiency and definitely not stunted growth. There was issues with nitrogen overdose, but that also may be hydroponics/environmental issues. Plant was very thirsty.

On my second grow (current one) I switched to something called "Nutra Hydroponics" which is basically duplicated General Hydroponics Flora series.

So the nutra hydroponics that I use now has following npk ratios:
Nutra Micro - 5-0-1
Nutra Grow - 2-1-6
Nutra Bloom - 0-5-4

I actually don't know the ratios for fox farm, it's not written on their product. The reason for the switch was the price. This Nutra Hydroponics is a local manufacturer and is significantly cheaper.

First grow was Most likely a Thai Sativa, or a hybrid of Thai and White widow (I ordered it as white widow from a guy on facebook).
The second grow is white widow from RQS, feminized.

I'm somewhat disappointed with the RQS white widow, while not exactly stunted, it looks so short and bushy, and I can't see getting decent yield out of it. The branches are super thin, there are ton of small leaves. Since I'm only growing one, I'm wondering it might be the seed itself that had weak genetics, or it may be all of the white widows from RQs that are like this, or it might be nutrients, because that's the only thing I changed. All the rest is same, environment, equipment, etc.

So after a wall of text, here finally comes the question. Is there any significant / noticeable difference between nutrient manufacturers in terms of growth rate, or is it all the same/similar, and the only thing that influence the look and the rate of grow is genetics / environment? I read some people complain about the taste of weed grown on general hydroponics vs something else, I really don't care about that part at the moment, just wondering about growth, because I'm trying to explain the unimpressive grow that I run now, compared to the monster I had few months ago.

Here's the picture comparing the two:

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I would experiment, but I'm limited in space and equipment, so I can't run parallel grows with same seed but different nutrients... and it's my second grow now, so I lack experience.
Off topic but just wondering cause I was going to get fox farm nutes when I started out but was swayed away because its organic. No issue using them in dwc?
 

PadawanWarrior

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Well I just learned my something for today lol. I did not know that. Is fax farm fed like gh trio? I use all three throughout.
I don't use it. Most people seem to like GH for liquid Hydro nutes, or Jacks for dry Hydro nutes. I'm an organic grower though, so I'm not the best one to ask about Hydro. :bigjoint:
 

pahpah-cee

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I steered away from foxfarm trio because I saw a report by a grower who claimed it made his ticks worse (he has Tourette’s syndrome). I try to keep it organic anyways. No science to back that claim up. I don’t see why the grower would lie either. So take it with a few grains of salt.
 

PadawanWarrior

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I steered away from foxfarm trio because I saw a report by a grower who claimed it made his ticks worse (he has Tourette’s syndrome). I try to keep it organic anyways. No science to back that claim up. I don’t see why the grower would lie either. So take it with a few grains of salt.
Maybe that's my problem.
 

rkymtnman

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I steered away from foxfarm trio because I saw a report by a grower who claimed it made his ticks worse (he has Tourette’s syndrome). I try to keep it organic anyways. No science to back that claim up. I don’t see why the grower would lie either. So take it with a few grains of salt.
shit fuck fuck shit shit shit.
 

White.Black

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Well, like TCH mentioned, until I have better setup and conditions to test, I'll just stick with the cheap GH clone that I found.
It's growing and it shows no signs of deficiency or burns, so I guess I should just leave it at that. For my next grow I might do that experiment.
 
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