Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants
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ActionianJacksonian
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That's quite the sophistry to try and get around that what Garland said and what the warrant said were exact opposites.
ActionianJacksonian
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The outcome is the outcome, noone cares as long as we know who won on election night and we trust it was fair and free.
And no, the turnout is much better since the general.
Herb & Suds
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That’s the Putin/trump
Plan
DIY-HP-LED
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Hey, Trump needs a lawyer, you should apply! Make sure yer paid up front though and make sure it's a lot, since you risk prison, Donald is hard on lawyers.
Typical American agnorance (i made up a word for y'all, it combines arrogance and ignorance).
Ain't nobody playing but you.
DIY-HP-LED
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You are the one who appears to be playing with yourself here, socks don't count in adult conversation.
Herb & Suds
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Show us what it said skippy ?
cannabineer
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My prediction here and now...
Trump weasels his way out of this and wins in 2024 because Democrats dropped the ball again. Hell, you'll probably run HRC again like a bunch of chumps.
I remember back a couple years when everyone said "we got him this time, he's going to jail/beremoved from office/etc... for sure".
Lol, none of which happened. All you managed to do as impeach him, which basically means nothing. Seriously? How many time do you guys have to be wrong about shit before you eat some of it.
I'd like to laugh but it's not really that funny. I mean, you are supposed to be the leaders of the "free" world, and your news cycle looks like a white trash soap opera.
Trump weasels his way out of this and wins in 2024 because Democrats dropped the ball again. Hell, you'll probably run HRC again like a bunch of chumps.
I remember back a couple years when everyone said "we got him this time, he's going to jail/beremoved from office/etc... for sure".
Lol, none of which happened. All you managed to do as impeach him, which basically means nothing. Seriously? How many time do you guys have to be wrong about shit before you eat some of it.
I'd like to laugh but it's not really that funny. I mean, you are supposed to be the leaders of the "free" world, and your news cycle looks like a white trash soap opera.
Herb & Suds
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You underestimate the power of women
I'm not certain that there has been a time in my life that the FBI Building in Washington, DC, has been fortified with fencing and razor wire..can any of you remember? Revolutionary War? Civil War? WWI? WW2 (Rosenbergs) Jim Crow?..props to Canadians for burning our Presidents home.Too soon! Donald needs to run around lose for another month or two causing mayhem in the republican party. Maybe this is a rumor just to spook him into announcing? An indictment would mean muzzling and being under the control of a federal judge.
'I think he'll get indicted': Legal insiders warn that Trump could soon face criminal charges he can't talk his way out of
"He should be worried about all these investigations," one person said. "I think he's a target of all of them and I think he'll get indicted."www.businessinsider.com
'I think he'll get indicted': Legal insiders warn that Trump could soon face criminal charges he can't talk his way out of
- Trump continues to publicly attack the DOJ and FBI following last week's Mar-a-Lago raid.
- But people close to his inner circle warn that he could soon face criminal charges anyway.
- "I think he's a target of all of them and I think he'll get indicted," said a lawyer who knows Trumpworld.
As former President Donald Trump continues publicly attacking the Justice Department and the FBI following last week's unprecedented raid of his Mar-a-Lago club, people who have been close to his inner circle told Insider that they think he could be in serious legal trouble.
One lawyer familiar with the Trump team's thought process said in an interview that the ex-president "likes to run the show" and is a "big believer in the public relations assault," but that he could soon face criminal charges he can't talk his way out of.
"He should be worried about all these investigations," the lawyer added. "I think he's a target of all of them and I think he'll get indicted."
Trump is currently at the center of a number of state and federal criminal investigations. At the forefront is the Justice Department's inquiry into whether Trump broke three federal laws, including the Espionage Act, when he moved government records from the White House to Mar-a-Lago upon leaving office.
The department has also zeroed in on the former president in its sprawling criminal investigation into events surrounding the Capitol riot and subpoenaed a number of former top White House officials in recent weeks. Prosecutors have also subpoenaed the National Archives for all the White House records it turned over to the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack.
In Georgia, the Fulton County district attorney's office is investigating if Trump and his allies broke Georgia laws in their quest to nullify President Joe Biden's 2020 victory in the state. And in New York, the Manhattan district attorney's office recently secured a plea deal with Trump's chief bookkeeper, Allen Weisselberg, who this week pleaded guilty to more than a dozen felonies and agreed to implicate the Trump Organization.
But Alan Dershowitz, who represented Trump during his Senate impeachment trial, told Insider on Friday that Trump should be most concerned about the New York attorney general's civil investigation into his business practices.
"Right now it's only civil, but you never know," he said. "Civil can always morph into criminal the way it did with Weisselberg."
He also said he believes that even if Trump is charged with a crime from one of the criminal investigations he can still run for president in 2024. "There's no way that he can be precluded from running based on the current investigations," Dershowitz said.
As Insider previously reported, there's nothing in the Constitution that blocks someone from mounting a presidential run if they're in prison after being convicted of a crime. The socialist candidate Eugene Debs had been convicted of treason under the Espionage Act when he ran for president in 1920. And Lyndon LaRouche, who was convicted of mail fraud in 1988 and imprisoned, ran for president in 1992.
If he's convicted for violating two of the three laws that DOJ has acknowledged it is investigating him over in connection to his removal of classified documents, Trump could theoretically launch a 2024 presidential campaign, even if he's incarcerated.
But if he's convicted of violating one of those laws — 18 USC Section 2071, which bars the concealment, removal, or mutilation generally of government records — he could be disqualified from holding office again.
That said, legal scholars told The New York Times that it's unlikely Trump would be blocked from running again even if he's convicted of a Section 2071 violation, citing Supreme Court rulings that indicate Congress cannot overrule the Constitution's eligibility criteria for the presidency.
Spokespeople for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment on his current legal situation. As of Friday evening, the former president was still criticizing the FBI's search as a corrupt exercise of power, and he also said on Truth Social that his lawyers will soon file a "major motion pertaining to the Fourth Amendment" related to the raid.
Subbed if your still around.
cannabineer
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That sent me a-googling. Interesting take on the old tale.
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Fogdog
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logic fail: Strawman argument is not an acceptable line of reason.
Everybody did not say "we've got him this time". That idiotic statement was made by @DIY-HP-LED who says a lot of things that never happen. Even if people did say that, it doesn't mean the opposite is true -- that Trump can win the presidential election in 2024. So, again, your logic fails.
Most are not even saying Trump will go to jail over this recent act of espionage/destruction of classified documents/obstruction of justice. Although Trump's legal jeopardy seems to be worse in this instance. Worse even than when he conspired to raise an insurrectionist mob to attack the US Congress. What one can say for certain is that Trump is much less popular today than he was in 2015, when all most knew of him was his celebrity on TV. He barely squeaked out a win in 2016, lost by a similar margin in 2020. Now, Trump is in legal hell, fighting for his financial life, if not his personal freedom. So, BS on your fantasy of Trump returning to office in 2024.
Also, the US is not "supposed to be leaders of the free world". The free world is fully capable of deciding what it wants to do on its own. For the most part, alliance with the US is what they choose. Alliances are quite different from leader-follower relationships. But a right wing authoritarian like you cannot understand something like that.
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ANC
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Trump starts nearly every outburst with "People say" or People tell me"....
