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TheTerpinator

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
it is a fail in anything more than the short term...people will hate you, work against you, sell you out, cut your throat, push you down the stairs and exclaim "oh my, fearless leader has fallen and he can't get up, because my foot is on his neck."...
short term success equals long term failure, usually.
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I'd like to believe that the strife in our world is short-term, but the Realist in me see's the world the way that it is, rather than the way that I would like it to be. However, I do hold out hope that the world for all can heal! A Healed Planet
 
HGCC

HGCC

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cannabineer said:
No actually. Libertarianism relies on utopian thought. All utopian thought is based on premises that fail the reality test. The natural endpoint of the libertarian experiment is somewhere between Somalia and The Road Warrior.
Thus, supporters of libertarianism are aiding and abetting proven aspirant totalitarians.
In this nation now that is a coalition between free-market pirates and the Christian Nationalist (the Jesus Taliban) movement.
This runs afoul of the fact that a socialist government has never been trialed. Keep in mind that regimes that clisked themselves in the terminology of socialism (1917 comes to mind) were fascist from the word go. Nazis and Leninists used a different ideological veneer on the same frame.


That is a bold statement. We do not have enough data points to run compelling statistics. I contend that “low-ranking libertarians are are the stooges of plain fascists like the Pauls.” is a viable hypothesis.

Your calling the article crazy suggests they recruited your sentiment. Dangerous, that.
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I think the fundamental flaw is wtf do you do when your liberty runs into someone else's, and what to do about bad actors.

Again though, it's such a broad umbrella it's hard to pin down actual beliefs and how that fits in. It is overly optimistic of the human character in my view. On a philosophical level, I don't think you can have any form of government without it infringing on people's rights and freedoms nor can government exist without becoming corrupt, anarchism is the only moral choice to prevent oppression. In reality that's stupid and obvious nonsense that wouldn't work and has glaring flaws since wtf are you gonna do about a strongman that burns down your house and steals your chickens. How do you prevent that or deal justice without a state, if you go the mutualist type route with free association...how do you prevent a collection of people from forming a defacto government once they can overcome that single strong man.

People need to be better than they are for better systems to work.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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BREAKING: AG Garland Moves To Unseal Mar-a-Lago Search Warrant
21,360 views Aug 11, 2022 Attorney General Merrick Garland addressed the FBI search at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence for the first time. Garland said he approved the search and the Justice Department filed a motion to make the warrant public.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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HGCC said:
I think the fundamental flaw is wtf do you do when your liberty runs into someone else's, and what to do about bad actors.

Again though, it's such a broad umbrella it's hard to pin down actual beliefs and how that fits in. It is overly optimistic of the human character in my view. On a philosophical level, I don't think you can have any form of government without it infringing on people's rights and freedoms nor can government exist without becoming corrupt, anarchism is the only moral choice to prevent oppression. In reality that's stupid and obvious nonsense that wouldn't work and has glaring flaws since wtf are you gonna do about a strongman that burns down your house and steals your chickens. How do you prevent that or deal justice without a state, if you go the mutualist type route with free association...how do you prevent a collection of people from forming a defacto government once they can overcome that single strong man.

People need to be better than they are for better systems to work.
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The bolded is the reef on which every utopian ideology is reduced to flotsam and corpses.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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I dont think it's bad to have utopian views, it's obvious good and noble, but that needs to be tempered by reality. You can strive for those goals taking small reality based steps.

I dont know if humanity will get to where utopian ideas are feasible, I think it sort of hinges on one of those fundamental philosophical questions regarding the nature of man...which is way more than I want to dive into on this fine afternoon.

Edit: what I am trying to say in that first part is people should avoid pursuit of utopianism to the detriment of their overall situation. It is a mistake to look at something and say "both sides suck, we should have blah blah blah...so I do and pick nothing." You end up with the shitty end of the stick then.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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TheTerpinator said:
You've shown your subservient conditioning enough now. I get it. Move along, now.
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I spent twenty minutes in that site. It seems to be one prolix guy who is in deep love with the sound of his keyboard. The walls of text are heavily linked. Each link is site-internal to the same guy’s interminable declarations.
I tried looking up FE. As the site has no definition of the term and apparently no links to the peer-reviewed academic literature, I am free to assign a meaning to what certainly looks like pure handspun nonsense.

Can you guide me to a legitimate third-party précis of the core ideology?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
HGCC said:
I dont think it's bad to have utopian views, it's obvious good and noble, but that needs to be tempered by reality. You can strive for those goals taking small reality based steps.

I dont know if humanity will get to where utopian ideas are feasible, I think it sort of hinges on one of those fundamental philosophical questions regarding the nature of man...which is way more than I want to dive into on this fine afternoon.
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I have spent time researching utopian views. They are a trap. They appeal to what we want to be true about us as a species. When an idea is as emotionally invested as a utopian one, things tend to go a bit pear-shaped.
 
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