twentyeight.threefive
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How did you miss the first question I asked you? What brand of coco is it?
Plants are looking terrible and idk why? Coco/Perl + salts
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budtoker221
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I’d rather not have this discussion turn into trashing or praising an ag company brand. I’d rather leave their name out of it. I mentioned fox farm and canna but my posts weren’t focusing on those brands.
twentyeight.threefive
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If you feed to runoff like you're supposed to with coco the fines in the coco will drain out. Regardless of brand the coco will function properly after that, then from there it's just grower error.
budtoker221
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I’m too lazy to empty the saucers. I don’t need to. I might start doing that again when my girls in the 1 gal pots get bigger, for now, they don’t need the amount of water for runoff.
budtoker221
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Also I’m skeptical that watering till runoff is magically going to wash away all the fine sawdust when the whole medium practically is like a fine sawdust.
PadawanWarrior
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Why not say the brand you're using? I know the Canna Professional he's got is the most favored by everyone. I have a bag here for when I get bored and want to do coco and salts.
Some is finer than others. I know that much. And I've heard Canna isn't as fine as some.
twentyeight.threefive
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If you’re lazy then coco isn’t for you unless you automate the feeding and drain to waste. Otherwise be prepared for daily work or else wonder why you have issues. Seems like you’re wondering why you have issues.
Hollatchaboy
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I believe pro mix is peat.
PadawanWarrior
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Ya. It looks like it has both. But I've never used it.
budtoker221
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I’ve had no issues yet with coco, the washed out tasting bud was the 50/50 perlite promix that I feel like could have ended up better quality if I went easier on the waterings especially towards the end of flower. I know comparing promix to coco is like apples to oranges and that watering style might have been fine if it were coco and the right consistency etc. The brand I’m using is cloud coir. The last plants I kept pretty dry and they turned out great. I’m not trying to say I had a bad experience watering coco twice a day or whatever is recommended because to be fair I haven’t even tried watering coco the way is suggested here on roll it up. From my experience watering promix till runoff every day it seemed like pot size and ambient air temperature are huge factors in the quickness of dry back and how often to water. I’m also using regular plastic pots and not air pots.
If you're going to use cheap coco (which is fine), you're going to have to strain out the coco peat (coco dust) first. Rinse the coco through a strainer, letting the dusty particles fall through and leaving you with just fibrous coco.
As for emptying saucers, just use Drain Away trays and you never have to worry about runoff sitting around the pots.
Major lol @ bagging on a brand of coco and then trying to pretend you have too much integrity to specify which brand it is. Crowd sourcing works well. Give brand names, both good and bad to help others.
budtoker221
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I didn’t bag on the brand coco. I’m still using it, I got great results with it and as for now pIan to continue to use it.
I said it has a finely milled sawdust like consistency and I was basically saying that I didn’t think it had enough aeration to be watered to runoff at a high frequency like twice a day, at least with my 60+% humidity, and 73 degree ambient temps in the grow room.
I didn’t want to mention the brand because I didn’t want everyone to start calling it “cheap coco” and then bag on the brand which is what apparently is happening.
budtoker221
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One thing I like about Cloud Coir is that it says on the description they rinse the perlite. If y’all know of any triple rinsed coco brands let me know, I haven’t done much shopping around but maybe they’re all “triple rinsed” haha
PadawanWarrior
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Maybe start your own thread so @YourStonerBuddy can have his thread back.
budtoker221
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True, I wasn’t trying to hijack this thread or make it a grow journal haha I’m just answering / asking questions mostly but I thought the topic was interesting. YourStonerbuddy can have his thread back at any time.
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twentyeight.threefive
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Perlite is overrated, especially if you hand water.
budtoker221
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When I added it to promix at a rate of 50/50 it didn’t seem to help with aeration all that much. Plus it has all the dust and when I learned it has an alkaline ph of 7.5 that’s when I decided to get a ph balanced perlite containing pre buffered coco, instead of my DIY peat based “DTW” mix
Although I’m not sure if the buffering thing is all that important but is sounds legit haha.
twentyeight.threefive
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You keep talking about promix… I thought you switched to coco and that’s what we’ve been talking about. My comment was in regards to coco and perlite.
budtoker221
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Ok I thought you were talking about perlite in general, Why do you feel it’s overrated? I’m thinkin it might be overrated too my grow shop always recommends pumice instead but it’s so chunky and heavy compare to perlite.
Also just wanted to say I feel like I’ve over referenced all my anectodes about promix in this thread and extrapolated some bro science on top (that might be irrelevant in comparison with coco) while talking about how my buds ended up etc.
My post #173 was particularly vague because I was mostly actually referencing my theory on perhaps why alot of the commercial weed tastes bland but my theory about how watering affects the final product taste etc. might be a stretch.
PadawanWarrior
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Pumice doesn't break down like perlite. It's definitely heavier than perlite, but not as heavy as lava rock.