Sir Napsalot
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Haven't seen many moths yet this year- it's been pretty wet
but they're coming
but they're coming
Yeah! It's Bud Worm Season. Pics
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DancesWithWeeds
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Three words: Got That Right.
This is the second set of sticky this season and it's time to replace them.
They are especially effective on leaf hoppers. They are drawn to the yellow. There are a bunch of moths stuck to them now. All kinds of bugs.
DancesWithWeeds
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I use DE all the time. I do overhead watering until they start to flower. It keeps the plants a lot cleaner. Every time I water I spray soapy water for acids and dust with DE for most other bugs. BT once a week.
jbcCT
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Just over a month into the season and I did an inspection this afternoon. On the lowest leaves some were filled with eggs. I snipped them off and others I just wiped them off with a paper towel. If I didn't lift the leaf up I would not have noticed. They tend to stick the eggs under the leaf to shield them from the sun.
When you spray BT make sure to bend a knee and angle up to coat the underside of leaf matter. I hit the stems and top of leaves as well. It's important to coat the whole plant.
For those that do hatch it's impossible for them to move up the plant. The first bite they take is poison. Will simply fall off or be eaten by flies or spiders.
When you spray BT make sure to bend a knee and angle up to coat the underside of leaf matter. I hit the stems and top of leaves as well. It's important to coat the whole plant.
For those that do hatch it's impossible for them to move up the plant. The first bite they take is poison. Will simply fall off or be eaten by flies or spiders.
jbcCT
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So you spray the plants with soapy water? What does this prevent? I'm curious. Thanks in advance.
DancesWithWeeds
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Afids. The soapy water suffocates them. It's supposed to do the plants some good, too, but I don't know what.
It's not that much soap a d it comes off it it gets warer on it. The DE washes off like dust.
The leaf hoppers are starting show. I've seen them on the leafs but they don't seem to be damaging them. There are quite a few of them on the sticky pads. I think it's the DE that's keeping them from sucking juice.
jbcCT
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Yeah....the outdoor battle. Always seems to be something. I can't imagine what it's like to farm cannabis outdoors at scale, commercially. They must spray heavy to keep everything off them. Once they flower I don't like to let my plants get hit with rain.
DancesWithWeeds
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What part of the State are you in? I'm in ne Tulsa Co. Almost as far NE as you can git.
PioneerValleyOG
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Be aware that BT is only effective for worms/caterpillar types. Not for insects. People push BT as be all end all, not realizing it's only for paterkillers n worms.
PioneerValleyOG
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Zerotol.
DancesWithWeeds
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This is what it's like growing outdoors commercially in Oklahoma. One of the "little old ladies " that has her garden here and grows with us was trimming for the growers I leased to and after a couple hours she left because of the bugs. She said said between the bugs and bud rot she couldn't handle it.
I don't know how bad the bugs are for everyone else but I've had very little damage this year. I think it's dusting with DE that's doing the job. I've never dusted with it until this year and that's all I've been using. The sticky traps are the best. They are SOOO full of bugs it's time to change them. Almost no place for bugs to land on them.
DancesWithWeeds
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Has anyone ever dusted with DE? There are some things I would like to know about it if anyone has them, if not try guessing at what might happen. This a food grade and washes off with water, but what about the sticky buds.
PioneerValleyOG
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I'm surprised you don't wash your flower with bugs and Rot and all. Doesn't cost much, is easy to do, and finished product is cleaner, and you'll be amazed at the crap that comes out in the water.
Perhaps do a small test run, and you'll be able to decide whether or not it's for you.
DancesWithWeeds
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Thanks, but there are almost NO bugs. One thing in particular is I have watched leaf hoppers land on a leaf and stand on there noses to suck juice. No holes developed. The main damage is small grasshopper notches on a few leafs. It's like they take a couple bites and leave. It is time to stop using DE for dusting. They are all starting to flower and I don't think it would do bud.
In Oklahoma if you don't have bugs you ain't growing.
Kerowacked
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Yeah, leafhoppers are vectors of disease, they can transfer pathogens from an infected plant to a healthy plant, but they don’t eat leaves as such. Budwashing outdoor plants is a necessity. Bugs, pollen, pollutants, mold spores, small squirrels, you wash out all kinds of stuff, leaves an oil slick.
DancesWithWeeds
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Last year they were one things that damaged the crop of some commercial growers here. They put some commercial insecticides out that were supposed to be OK. That's when I started using sticky traps. The things seem to be attracted to yellow.
I checked the traps this morning and there are only a few leaf hoppers on the newer traps, mostly flys. The older ones are loaded filters with a LOT of leaf hoppers.
PioneerValleyOG
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So, I'm confused. You said your trimmer bailed because she was freaked out by all the bugs. Now there are no bugs? Is this from introduction of sticky traps?
wiseguy187
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Just caught my first one of the season last week. I sprayed with BT and pyrethrum (and neem) probably a month ago, but I should have kept it up instead of waiting to find new damage. I gently removed this fella, then enthusiastically smashed it with a shovel.
jbcCT
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Yeah no doubt. To be honest the only pest that's ever caused a problem for me is caterpillars.
I think I've mentioned this before but without BT I would not even be able to grow outdoors.
DancesWithWeeds
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BT's great. I had intended to spray once a week but haven't had to yet. I've killed 2 this year but last year they were thick.
Try this on for size. A volunteer came up in my compost pile and it's doing better than the rest. No feeding except for the compost, no watering, and no bug control. How is it that there are almost no damage.
One good thing, this is growing along a fence were we have goats and donkeys and I found out they don't like it.