How do the roots grow?

OldMedUser

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I’ve switched totally to Sunshine 4. Or the Sunshine 4 Advanced. Far cheaper HERE than Pro Mix HP. I don’t know about prices in the Lower 48
Probably cheaper down south but it's about the same price as Sunshine #4 which I used to use before ProMix came along and they stopped carrying the #4 locally. About an hour down the road at Peavey Mart they had the Advanced #4 and I wondered what it was like for perlite as the old #4 had to have lots added as it just had a small amount of tiny bits of it.

Looks great and can be used right out of the bale.

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DrDukePHD

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I'll take the LEDs I think. The magic box making ultra sonic good vibes doesn't seem like good science but I didn't exactly ace science so what do I know.
Yea I dunno, but i do know ultra sonic good vibes sounds no more crazy an idea than Hybrid Monkeys on a spinning rock communicating with each other about weed from 1,000's of miles away right now via pulses of photons ;)
 

OldMedUser

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I used dusty and dirty to describe the same thing. Sure lots of guys use perlite with coco, doesn't mean I don't like it. You're completely right, hate is a strong word. I strongly dislike perlite because I consider it useless. That work for you?

Don't tell @getogrow it's inert.
Looks more like he's saying coco isn't inert and it isn't so he's right about that but perlite is basically blown up glass and is inert as in it doesn't interact with anything. Uses a lot of heat to make it fluff up like it is so not a sustainable product as far as carbon impact goes but most things we use every day are like that.

Correction: I checked out that post and read the conversations that lead to to it and he's definitely talking about coco and not perlite.

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OldMedUser

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You guys remember that device from a few years back.. where you plug electrodes into all the indoor potted plants, and it creates some kind of electronic ground loop or whatnot, that supposedly emulates the plants being outside in the ground?

Claims of it benefiting root structures, and "unlocking the secret that makes outdoor plants grow so much bigger than indoor", if I remember right. Kind of like they say when you where rubber shoes, you lose your connection to earth, it's the same with plants. Maybe even just hooking wires up to the pots, and going outside to a ground rod would have some affect like that, without the extra current.. I'm always skeptical but can't say I've tried anything like it, other than electrocuting plants with alligator clips, and tesla coils, etc, lol.


Kinda like that gizmo that spins real fast, and creates an energy field around it that makes plants thrive. I forgot the name, but they used to have a few at my buddies grow shop for sale. It was like triangular metal loops from bigger to smaller, spinning inside each other, and I wanted to reverse engineer it.


One thing i do want to experiment more with is putting sonic tactile transducers on the sides of DWC containers, and hitting the nutrient solution with different frequencies\tones that I generate depending on different growth phases.

I want to see how it affects the root structures, or if it causes them to grow in different cymatic like patterns. Like, maybe I could create bands of standing wave patterns, and force the roots to grow in those layers only..

Maybe there is a certain g-spot frequency you hit, that tickles the roots and makes her hella wet and ooze more resin? :P
I made a grounding unit to use while sleeping as it's supposed to be like walking in the grass barefoot and connect you with the earth. Called Earthing for that reason.

Used it every night for 3 months and didn't feel like it did diddly squat. Only cost me a little time to make it so no big loss.

Plants grow bigger out in the soil as they have so much more room for roots and the sun is way more intense than any grow light and no worries about penetration.

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Drop That Sound

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There's quite a bit of science on plants and electric stimulation actually, going back 100's of years. I think "electro-culture" is the correct term to use. Covering a broad range of experiments, from sub\ultra sonic to magnetic and radio wave manipulation. Pulsing the lights at certain frequencies... I don't even know where to start.

Tons of research, and even side by side comparisons, proving yield increases on certain crops, etc.

If anything, I think we are bombarding our plants more and more with dirty electricity from the grid, and nasty EMFs emitting from the gear.. like ultra high frequencies coming from cheap chinese LED drivers, and so much more.. It probably causes stress to some extent, making the plants put out even higher THC levels than ever before, lol.

I remember talking to the main guy about the biowave deal, and him saying it's like when the birds are chirping first thing in the morning, and all the plants are waking up. Millions of years of evolution with the plants waking up to birds, resonating in that vibe, and It keeps them in that same mode when its turned on. Haha..

Its 2022 though, ffs. We should have cyborg grow implants jacked directly into our plants by now. Connect them to the laptop via bluetooth to monitor vital signs, and regulate hormones.
 

Drop That Sound

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I wanna try sleeping in a faraday cage, that blocks everything. I been collecting free microwaves, so I can take the windows out and re-use the mesh in them. A few hundred more and ill have enough mesh sections to line a whole bedroom (sheets of it cost a fortune), and enough transformers to build a legit rail gun.

I know for sure that sleeping right on the ground and waking up in the sun is the most refreshing thing ever. I'm also sure that plants feel the same way. I think the ground strap would work, but only if you had no roof over your bed, and were getting the rays from the sun. Allowing it to "flow" through you.
 

twentyeight.threefive

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Looks more like he's saying coco isn't inert and it isn't so he's right about that but perlite is basically blown up glass and is inert as in it doesn't interact with anything. Uses a lot of heat to make it fluff up like it is so not a sustainable product as far as carbon impact goes but most things we use every day are like that.

Correction: I checked out that post and read the conversations that lead to to it and he's definitely talking about coco and not perlite.

Thanks for playing! Please insert quarter and try again. :)

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Yeah my bad I forgot which we were debating back then
 

OldMedUser

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Anyone using NAPA 8822 Oil Dry for your mix. On the Hill for more than 10 years.
I don't think I would use that for DE. I just got a 30lb bag of feed grade DE from the local farm supply for $25 as the one I bought 20 years ago is almost gone. Stuff made for soaking up motor oil probably isn't as clean and may have all sorts of contaminants or additives in it as it's not meant for animal or human consumption. Same kind of reasons not to use battery acid for pH Down. I use lab grade 96% sulphuric acid for that.

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GrodanLightfoot

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Roots grow at night. Proper nute ratios will grow the best roots. Cold nights keep sugars above ground, hurting root development.

Plant beneficial microbes colonize roots and create the finest root hairs that contact more soil surface area than non colonized.

You can learn about hormones moisture level and all that but nothing really matters as much as nutes and microbes.
 

hillbill

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NAPA 8822 is Expanded Diatomaceous Earth and acts similar to vermiculite. It provides some drainage but also retains some moisture and nutrients. Also it is only a little heavier than perlite. Not adding for silica but as a conditioning amendment.
 

OldMedUser

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NAPA 8822 is Expanded Diatomaceous Earth and acts similar to vermiculite. It provides some drainage but also retains some moisture and nutrients. Also it is only a little heavier than perlite. Not adding for silica but as a conditioning amendment.
Regardless, there's still a good chance it's not a clean product to put where your plants eat. Vermiculite might be a better choice but I never use it myself.

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