rkymtnman
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H3AD's formula for coco. micro/bloom/epsom. easy peasy
for those of you who measure your runoff EC hydro coco
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twentyeight.threefive
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I’d take the recommendations of the manufacturer over some random person. The manufacturer actually researched and did studies with their nutrients. They chart you listed has so many extra and unnecessary extra additives.
How many of this guys finished grows have you seen? I understand as a new grower it can be difficult to know who to listen to, but anyone can make a webpage and call themself Dr. MJ Coco. There are plenty of people here who can show picture proof that they actually know what they are talking about.
I think almost all coco out of the bag comes prebuffered. I understand you used rehydrated coco bricks but I’d imagine it was probably buffered first. I use Canna Coco Professional right out of the bag and run a light 0.4 EC of nutrient solution through it before planting a seed. Absolutely no need to soak it in CalMag for 8 hrs.
medidedicated
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yea i like to be efficient i imagine 15 gal of that ought to be expesive. yea i agree i should switch nutrient receipes since im only following the flora and calmg and as stated earlier in this long ass thread, now the longest ive ever been apart of, lol that they dont have alot of that and thats what made things challenging. but the calmg i could understand why they posted that and follow that but other than nutrients, they have all other misc things that wouldn’t hurt to read. like auto feeding and diy things and plant training but not many photos throughout the grow. i noticed as the plants grew my questions on training answered itself, just fill the space 70% then switch to flower. but yeah, lets see what switching things up does for a couple different plants. the mothers will have mother plant solution that is intended to be all it gets. maybe hydrogaurd and such. another reason i didnt change NER yet is because half of the solution goes to plants 25 days younger. but soon will have two solutuons or three with each going to a control plant to test outcomes.
twentyeight.threefive
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It sounds like you are sold on continuing the CalMag, sorry to hear that. You already soaked your coco in a massive amount of CalMag. The coco isn’t sucking tons of it out from your nutrient solution that you’d need to add CalMag, despite whatever that webpage says.
Yeah I’d imagine that any bottled nutrient is going to get expensive. After all you are paying for mostly water. Consider switching to dry salts like Jacks 3-2-1 or Maxibloom or the like. They are extremely cheap compared to bottled nutrients.
PJ Diaz
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Erm, well yeah if your tap is 34 ppm, then you're rocking. I've never had city water under 150ppm myself, usually closer to 200.
medidedicated
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no i just want to avoid issues and am explaining why i followed it but people keep saying that even though this thread is littered with me posting that im going to refer back to it and try it out. its one of those things like just try ut out and see for yourself so you can start to add little to none. until then, if it makes sense im more worried about critical issues than proving anyones point. im going to try it on a couple plants but need another bucket as im not doing this daily, its too tight schedule to for what ever reason not be able to water due to not mixing nutes and i know this could be done weekly instead of daily. or atleast 3.5 days.
rkymtnman
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H3ad goes Coco
Highyas guys... After watching and reading and generally being impressed with the results you've all been getting with the coco medium, I've had to make the switch myself... Being the rebel that I am...Not having coco specific nutes, and having a full supply of GH flora micro and bloom, I've...
www.icmag.com
104 pages.
twentyeight.threefive
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Well it’s not about proving anyones point. Your plants are having major issues, you aren’t avoiding them you are creating them.
I get it though we’re just random people without a marijuana website of our own. At least your open to the idea of trying different things.
You never answered my other question though. How many finished plants have you seen from the person you are currently taking advice from?
medidedicated
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theres tons of info that i havent went through, the pain of the ass of nutrients was all ive been looking into until today because in the nutrient section it doesnt have many pics or in any section, you could surf through it if youd like but ive said already this was more helpful if you read my latest responses to people agreeing with everyone pretty much, if i really am underexpressing myself when i thank the people i do for providing some grow pictures perhaps of an entire grow phase and that i said earlier, that was how i was making my conclusions here vs on there because it dont cover deficiencies in terms of not getting enough, just signs that can mimick that but be a ph problem or something. it will help me with most other questions though, looks like someone just gave me homework that i will read through, so now its not just mj coco lol. sorry i give off vibes that i dont value yalls opinion which is not true, but i hope it makes sense why it took a big push to get me to say f#ck it i will just go a whole new way and try this on two plants and stop tripping about calmg. to be clear ive been confidently listening to those who grow coco and have for years with grow pics through each phase and everyone in general, at least something of what each person says i usually learn something critical. im early in the process that its better to mess around than stay stubborn already that early in my expirience
MickFoster
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I just can't read his posts........nothing but a mish-mosh of words.
Snickerpus
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Hes clueless and probably only came here to have discussion on topic he likes to watch on YT. Waste of time
medidedicated
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you mean EC 1.3 Ph 6.0? trying to read through the thread with your posts and put one aside and try it out. I think you were sharing NER suggestions but please put in ML/Gal. im treating the rest with the posted flora mfg feed chart, not mine , the one the OP posted that is the real mfg schedule. I see now what was cringy about my reciepe. more calmag than almost everything else. how would you correct PH like you said? for the one plant i am setting aside. I can try other tactics when I am able to feed more than twice a day. morher plants get mother solution (its worth it right?) trying to pick a reciepe with the nutrients i already have (flora trio advanced nute sysrem)
edit: nevermind that was in last thread and figured out what you meant by the ph rootzone thing, just up frequencies. 3.5 gal pots though. might be just right to still feed more often. the runoff thing is actually to be just enough to flush out the unwanted. so it shouldn’t be too little, but maybe too little for once a day? i see some water heavier than others.
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MickFoster
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When is the last time you calibrated your pH meter?
medidedicated
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every use when most accurate readings are wanted. pretty much each time since I do not measure PH of runoff. thinking about measuring PH of solution after it sat for 24-48 hours. 4 gallons last 8 days, so i should check periodically.
medidedicated
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im dropping that entirely, I needed time to let these suggestions sit in. no more calmg. following my nutrient lines feed chart. may still refer dr mj coco for misc things, but not nutrients. I am setting one aside to try a seperate feed. which ever allows once to twice a day waterings. not 6 to 12 times, the plant will harvest just about, before i can afford auto feed.
PJ Diaz
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Use the Lucas Forumla:
The Lucas Formula for Hydroponics - Garden Gear Shop
The key realization of the Lucas Formula is that you don't need FloraGro since there is enough nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, and micronutrients in FloraBloom and FloraMicro to meet a plants nutrient requirements.
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medidedicated
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real quick though, how many feedings a day? i was going to try other formulas when i get clones and auto drip. or does it not matter? im scanning through it right now, i like what i see. every time i hear about this formula its used with the dryback 6 to 12 feedings a dayUse the Lucas Forumla:
The Lucas Formula for Hydroponics - Garden Gear Shop
The key realization of the Lucas Formula is that you don't need FloraGro since there is enough nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, and micronutrients in FloraBloom and FloraMicro to meet a plants nutrient requirements.
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PJ Diaz
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The number of feeding per day isn't determined by your nutrients, it's determined by your medium. You are using coco, so ideally it should be fed multiple times per day, however in larger pots and no perlite you could get away with once per day, although not ideal.
medidedicated
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I can set plant #2 aside and see how this works. i love how it says add 1-2 ml of calmg if issues arise lol thats not too much less than what i was doing, but the real mfg suggests 1.4 to 1.7 tops on EC so thats cool, can confidently do that as i saw some say they go up to 3.3 in the same medium
PJ Diaz
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If I were you I'd stick to EC around 1.3 to 1.4, and adjust in the plant tells you to. Forget all the extra enhancements like bud candy or whatever. If you do add anything additional, I'd suggest a kelp product and fulvic acid. I think you were adding like 5 ml of CalMag if I remember correctly, which is like 2.5x to 5x more than they suggest for lucas. Personally I run Jacks 321, and never add CalMag, because that formula already has a lot of both Calcium and Magnesium.