DIY-HP-LED
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I believe like Wes Clark, the Ukrainians and many others, that the only way there will be or should be peace in Ukraine is if Russia withdraws to the pre 2014 borders and leaves Ukraine completely. We have a rules based international system of law, supposedly overseen by the UN which cannot enforce it's own laws, laws that were agreed to by all of it's members including Russia. The UN was created specifically to stop these kinds of wars of imperialist aggression and it has failed repeatedly, primarily due to Russia's veto. So either reform the UN or reform Russia for a better world, it won't solve the problems of greed and corruption, but it will greatly reduce the cover it operates under in the west, as well as Russia.
This war might be costly, but it need not be long, if we support Ukraine and attack Russia in the right way, with proxy wars and clandestine operations, the same way Russia has been attacking us for decades, an actual cold war. We can give the Ukrainians a lot more arms and help than we are and we are throttling them because Putin has us under his control, even though he never even conquered us. Now he threatens to starve tens of millions of the world's poorest and most vulnerable people with his imperial invasion. Some want to deal with the Devil, sure as long as ya got him by the throat by one hand and by the nuts with the other and squeeze really fucking hard, until his eyeballs pop out hard, then I'm sure he can be quite reasonable.
Give the Ukrainians what the want to defeat the Russians definitively and quickly, with minimal losses to them and maximum losses to the Russians. It is the only thing that makes sense, have Putin commit as much of his army in Ukraine thinking he can win, then destroy it when it is worn down enough, the arms arrive and they are ready, then hit it hard and fast. However we also have a world food crises looming with tens of millions of people at risk and Putin never even declared war, but is sinking ships in international waters and engaging in grain theft and piracy.
Careful though, we wouldn't want to provoke Putin, he might get upset and cut off our oil, better to let those other people starve and let Russia take parts of Ukraine and enslave it's people. I'm sure that will satisfy Putin and he will keep his agreements, now let's drop those pesky sanctions and make some money! Besides, have you seen the price of gas and food prices are going up, so let's just give in, if we give him all of Ukraine the oil will flow faster and I'm sure he would never nuke us if given half a fucking chance! If we don't give him what he wants he will starve all those innocent people, but hey, we can do business with him, we will just appoint Donald Trump as our chief negotiator.
This war might be costly, but it need not be long, if we support Ukraine and attack Russia in the right way, with proxy wars and clandestine operations, the same way Russia has been attacking us for decades, an actual cold war. We can give the Ukrainians a lot more arms and help than we are and we are throttling them because Putin has us under his control, even though he never even conquered us. Now he threatens to starve tens of millions of the world's poorest and most vulnerable people with his imperial invasion. Some want to deal with the Devil, sure as long as ya got him by the throat by one hand and by the nuts with the other and squeeze really fucking hard, until his eyeballs pop out hard, then I'm sure he can be quite reasonable.
Give the Ukrainians what the want to defeat the Russians definitively and quickly, with minimal losses to them and maximum losses to the Russians. It is the only thing that makes sense, have Putin commit as much of his army in Ukraine thinking he can win, then destroy it when it is worn down enough, the arms arrive and they are ready, then hit it hard and fast. However we also have a world food crises looming with tens of millions of people at risk and Putin never even declared war, but is sinking ships in international waters and engaging in grain theft and piracy.
Careful though, we wouldn't want to provoke Putin, he might get upset and cut off our oil, better to let those other people starve and let Russia take parts of Ukraine and enslave it's people. I'm sure that will satisfy Putin and he will keep his agreements, now let's drop those pesky sanctions and make some money! Besides, have you seen the price of gas and food prices are going up, so let's just give in, if we give him all of Ukraine the oil will flow faster and I'm sure he would never nuke us if given half a fucking chance! If we don't give him what he wants he will starve all those innocent people, but hey, we can do business with him, we will just appoint Donald Trump as our chief negotiator.
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