the media and pundits should be held responsible for the consequences of their broadcasted opinions

HGCC

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Yeah man, that's accurate. I think you are wrong in trying to demand some sort of moral purity. Literally 99.9% of people are not in areas where a 3rd option is viable, so it's a pick regarding who is most viable that is the least shitty.
 

PJ Diaz

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Then for what party do you cast your vote?
I'm registered with no political party affiliation. In the past, if I vote for a party candidate, the affiliation is typically Green, Peace & Freedom, or Dems. Dems have been disappointing me lately, so I doubt I will vote for many of them in the future, but I base my vote on individual policies not party affiliations.
 

PJ Diaz

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Yeah man, that's accurate. I think you are wrong in trying to demand some sort of moral purity. Literally 99.9% of people are not in areas where a 3rd option is viable, so it's a pick regarding who is most viable that is the least shitty.
It's not "viable" because folks believe that they don't have an alternate choice. Imagine if everyone abandoned the 2-party paradigm, how the shifts might swing. People are too worried that a vote for a third party is a vote for the opposition.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I'm registered with no political party affiliation. In the past, if I vote for a party candidate, the affiliation is typically Green, Peace & Freedom, or Dems. Dems have been disappointing me lately, so I doubt I will vote for many of them in the future, but I base my vote on individual policies not party affiliations.
What confuses me is your frequent championing of maga.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
What confuses me is your frequent championing of maga.
Show me where I have ever done that. I have never championed maga. You are off your rocker. Just because I disagree with some of Biden's policies doesn't mean that I support maga.
 

HGCC

Well-Known Member
I think you have a location bias man, its why people don't really connect with what you are saying. I don't disagree with you on many aspects, but the world you are trying to apply your views to isn't the one the rest of us exist in.

Meh, that's it from me.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
I think you have a location bias man, its why people don't really connect with what you are saying. I don't disagree with you on many aspects, but the world you are trying to apply your views to isn't the one the rest of us exist in.

Meh, that's it from me.
What exactly is location bias? I live in California, where 10% of the US population also reside.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Show me where I have ever done that. I have never championed maga. You are off your rocker. Just because I disagree with some of Biden's policies doesn't mean that I support maga.
You’re sly about it. You routinely posted antivax content that was just ambiguous enough you could pull the “I didn’t say that!”

Since you closed your profile access, I can’t be bothered to search.

But today’s example is regretting having voted for Biden, since in the real world the only alternative was the other guy. Voting other is futile expression of principle and gives that man an edge I would rather not support via such effective inaction.
 

PJ Diaz

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You’re sly about it. You routinely posted antivax content that was just ambiguous enough you could pull the “I didn’t say that!”

Since you closed your profile access, I can’t be bothered to search.

But today’s example is regretting having voted for Biden, since in the real world the only alternative was the other guy. Voting other is futile expression of principle and gives that man an edge I would rather not support via such effective inaction.
Got it, you have no evidence to support your assertion. My position on vaccines isn't related to MAGA in any way. I've held this position before covid was even a thing. Besides I'm fairly certain that the current covid vaccines were developed while Trump was in office, and Trump received the vaccine himself. Your attempt to skew my position on vaccines as a political nattative, is warped at best, vearing sharply towards fraudulance.

See this is the problem I have with the current version of the Demcratic party; you have to be "all in" or you're out. There is no room for civil discourse. This is the reason that I will be voting for less and less Democrats in the future. Democrats used to be beacons of personal liberty, but not these days. I remember the good old days when Republicans were hated for all their war mongering, but these days Dems are just as much of war mongers themselves.
 

Herb & Suds

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Got it, you have no evidence to support your assertion. My position on vaccines isn't related to MAGA in any way. I've held this position before covid was even a thing. Besides I'm fairly certain that the current covid vaccines were developed while Trump was in office, and Trump received the vaccine himself. Your attempt to skew my position on vaccines as a political nattative, is warped at best, vearing sharply towards fraudulance.

See this is the problem I have with the current version of the Demcratic party; you have to be "all in" or you're out. There is no room for civil discourse. This is the reason that I will be voting for less and less Democrats in the future. Democrats used to be beacons of personal liberty, but not these days. I remember the good old days when Republicans were hated for all their war mongering, but these days Dems are just as much of war mongers themselves.
Bahahaha
“All in or all out “
Is the very epitome of todays Republican Party
No room for moderates or anyone who doesn’t agree with them 100% of the time
Liz Cheney is the perfect example
The right is radicalized beyond compare
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Bahahaha
“All in or all out “
Is the very epitome of todays Republican Party
No room for moderates or anyone who doesn’t agree with them 100% of the time
Liz Cheney is the perfect example
The right is radicalized beyond compare
Sure, the Republican party does it too. I was never registered as a Republican though, compared to my 20+ years being registered as a Democrat, prior to pulling my card a few elections ago.
 

Herb & Suds

Well-Known Member
Sure, the Republican party does it too. I was never registered as a Republican though, compared to my 20+ years being registered as a Democrat, prior to pulling my card a few elections ago.
I was a Republican for fifty years joined the Democratic Party right after the 2016 primary
I can never go back to the hate party again
I’m not wealthy enough to benefit
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
What was the other choice? What did you learn from that mistake and what would you have done differently?
There were lots of other choices, but I bought into the narrative of being hyper-focused on defeating Trump, so I can't say who else I might have otherwise voted for. Even my wife, who disliked Biden all along, found herself calling random people on a phone tree and asking them to vote for Biden. At this point however, we both clearly see that Biden isn't really much if any better than Trump, he just has a different deameanor. Honestly though, we all know the dude is senile, and there are other people in his cabinet who are really running the country. Dude is a puppet.
 

HGCC

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Voting for a third party was meaningless. You either bought team blue or team red, being mad that team purple wasn't an option is pointless.

If you don't see the real basic differences in what they are pushing I don't know what to tell you man. It's why people call you a Trumper though.

I see some pretty stark differences between what trump and the republicans put out vs the Democrats. If you don't you don't, I am not trying to win people over.
 

PJ Diaz

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You can call it a wasted vote, but in my opinion voting third-party is a form of protest against the establistment. Over a million people voted for third party candidates in 2020. Clearly I'm not the only one feeling disinfranchised by the 2-party system. I hope that next election we see that number jump to over 2 million, which frankly I don't think is unrealistic, based on the general public's satisfaction with the 2-party system. All we need is a real strong non-partisen candidate to come out of the woodwork, and perhaps the tides could turn. We've only had a few Presidents who seemed to be universally loved, largely due to partisen politics. George Washington warned us of this.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Voting for a third party was meaningless. You either bought team blue or team red, being mad that team purple wasn't an option is pointless.

If you don't see the real basic differences in what they are pushing I don't know what to tell you man. It's why people call you a Trumper though.

I see some pretty stark differences between what trump and the republicans put out vs the Democrats. If you don't you don't, I am not trying to win people over.
Of course there are differences, but not all the differences necessarily cumulatively good or bad. Either way, I'll digress back to my original statement which sparked this debate:
Both sides lie equally to suit their corporate agendas. If you think otherwise, you area niave fool.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
There were lots of other choices, but I bought into the narrative of being hyper-focused on defeating Trump, so I can't say who else I might have otherwise voted for. Even my wife, who disliked Biden all along, found herself calling random people on a phone tree and asking them to vote for Biden. At this point however, we both clearly see that Biden isn't really much if any better than Trump, he just has a different deameanor. Honestly though, we all know the dude is senile, and there are other people in his cabinet who are really running the country. Dude is a puppet.
and there is the sly maga. The dishonest both sides argument. Biden is no traitor, and the Democrats as a bloc are not pursuing the GQP’s lockstep program of interference, interdiction and erosion of liberties.

Hacking on Biden like this is a central tenet of maga. You carry the water for fascists. That is why I find your claim to a socialist mindset (or anything left of center) plainly beyond believing.
 
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