hotrodharley
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A zipper? A watertight zipper. Right? Lol.
Why aren't fabric bags cone shaped.
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Retired engineer
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Do you apply as a foliar spray, or in the soil? I put a ton of diatomaceous earth in the last layer of soil in the pots for crawlers, and have them surrounded by citronella (headed out to find more) and mint. Marigolds are claimed to be an effective repellent too, so will add more to the patio garden.
Billy the Mountain
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I've got some 1 gal fabric pots which have a velcro "zipper".
They work great for transplanting.
The zipper watertightness is irrelevant in a fabric pot
HydroKid239
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hotrodharley
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You betcha. Water takes the path of least resistance. Meaning a zipper.
Billy the Mountain
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You've obviously not used one before.
The velcro strip is the least water-permeable part of the pot
hotrodharley
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Velcro is NOT a zipper. But go for it. Approach manufacturers who will laugh. Add more steps in the manufacturing process. Add on the costs on and consumers won’t care. Right? Lol. Some of you people could fuck up an anvil with a rubber hammer. Cone shaped bags with zippers. Lol.
jondamon
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I would not apply it to the soil as it’s quite acidic, I called it a contact killer therefore needs to touch the insect.
Retired engineer
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Thanks…I’ll keep this in mind.
Star Dog
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Why have you so much invested in pot shape, is this the thing you claimed sort all your problems even the ones you don't know about, do you care to explain about them?
I'm guessing you don't have any pics of these problem free grown plants?
I'm happy with regular pots but I'm always open to learning
I'm guessing you don't have any pics of these problem free grown plants?
I'm happy with regular pots but I'm always open to learning
GreenestBasterd
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The anvil analogy was worth reading this for hahaha. I’ll be borrowing that one.
yummy fur
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Wait, did I somehow get married to all you people, feels like it with all the completely manufactured straw man objections?
Criticise that concept of putting more soil where the plant needs it and less where it doesn't. The concept is sound so if you can't criticise the concept then it's a matter of working through the objections.
Doesn't need the zip, I'm just thinking of different ways it could be done. But the whole point is simply to look at what is needed.
You often see a little seedling in it's final pot, sitting in the middle of a vast ocean of soil with a little pool of damp soil around it, why? Because you don't want to transplant. So the seedling now sits in the "neck" of the grow bag as if it were in a six inch pot. It's the natural way a plant grows, the deeper it gets the more it spreads out.
A short zipper near the neck could be added for those who need that, but a 6" hole should be plenty, and when the bag was picked up by handles on the top there would be less likelihood of shifting soil that could damage fine roots.
Criticise that concept of putting more soil where the plant needs it and less where it doesn't. The concept is sound so if you can't criticise the concept then it's a matter of working through the objections.
Doesn't need the zip, I'm just thinking of different ways it could be done. But the whole point is simply to look at what is needed.
You often see a little seedling in it's final pot, sitting in the middle of a vast ocean of soil with a little pool of damp soil around it, why? Because you don't want to transplant. So the seedling now sits in the "neck" of the grow bag as if it were in a six inch pot. It's the natural way a plant grows, the deeper it gets the more it spreads out.
A short zipper near the neck could be added for those who need that, but a 6" hole should be plenty, and when the bag was picked up by handles on the top there would be less likelihood of shifting soil that could damage fine roots.
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Star Dog
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Who said there's more soil where the plant needs it besides you?
It sounds like your promoting your own theory as sound but have nothing to back anything up?
FirstCavApache64
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There's no set amount of soil that they need or special location that they need it. I think you think you've reinvented the wheel and you're mad nobody else can see it but I just don't think it's an improvement on the other gazillion choices in pot styles. I'm an average grower and I have roots all the way out to the edge of the pot and up to the surface of the soil. I aerate the medium with a bamboo skewer and rake it once or twice a week to break up the mulch and top dressing clumps. I don't need a specific shape to accomplish that, just proper watering practices.
yummy fur
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@FirstCavApache64, why do you say that when you already know that the bulk of the roots are towards the bottom of the bag. Roots don't want to grow against gravity they know which way is down. Agreed there's no set amount of soil because that depends on the plant and the substrate. When you say 'nobody' else can see it, you are just referencing half a dozen people on a single thread. All the best ideas are because nobody saw the obvious. They laughed at Apple laptops when they moved keyboards near the screen instead of near the user. But it was such an obvious move that once it was pointed out, it became standard.
Take the Eazy Pyramids, they are a solid substrate that can be made in any shape, when the shape is not dictated by what is easy, but instead what works best, all their moulds are narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. They could make instead of a pyramid, a cylinder like a grow bag, but they do not do that. And the reason is obvious.
Actually the velcro idea is better, you'd just need it for the neck of the bag. Well you wouldn't need it but it would make it a bit easier, the zipper was just if a bag was made to be easily reusable, but it is a bit of overkill.
Take the Eazy Pyramids, they are a solid substrate that can be made in any shape, when the shape is not dictated by what is easy, but instead what works best, all their moulds are narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. They could make instead of a pyramid, a cylinder like a grow bag, but they do not do that. And the reason is obvious.
Actually the velcro idea is better, you'd just need it for the neck of the bag. Well you wouldn't need it but it would make it a bit easier, the zipper was just if a bag was made to be easily reusable, but it is a bit of overkill.
blueberrymilkshake
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for real? lol
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crimsonecho
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maybe we should put the nature in a bottle neck because thats the biggest pot there is and a plant grows in it almost everyday.
by substracting the upper parts (red) and adding it to the bottom (yellow) you are losing more medium because of the perched water table (blue). that zone is not ideal for happy plants. when you do a narrow base you’re doing the opposite so that makes sense, this, not so much.
by narrowing down the base you’re effectively removing the medium which otherwise would have stayed overly wet and anaerobic and adding it to the oxygen rich happy zone in the upper regions because the perched water table is always at the same height for the same medium. (see i can draw too)
so besides it being a nigtmare to fill and empty with medium as a pot its also inefficient because it sacrifices more and you cant properly water the whole pot through that bottle neck so probably the sides will get bone dry after a while.
i can go on and on but i’m washing my hands of this. as i said do it and please keep a journal of it for me to see.
by substracting the upper parts (red) and adding it to the bottom (yellow) you are losing more medium because of the perched water table (blue). that zone is not ideal for happy plants. when you do a narrow base you’re doing the opposite so that makes sense, this, not so much.
by narrowing down the base you’re effectively removing the medium which otherwise would have stayed overly wet and anaerobic and adding it to the oxygen rich happy zone in the upper regions because the perched water table is always at the same height for the same medium. (see i can draw too)
so besides it being a nigtmare to fill and empty with medium as a pot its also inefficient because it sacrifices more and you cant properly water the whole pot through that bottle neck so probably the sides will get bone dry after a while.
i can go on and on but i’m washing my hands of this. as i said do it and please keep a journal of it for me to see.
yummy fur
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@crimsonecho your first two paragraphs are obvious nonsense tailored to arrive at the conclusion you want. If watering the pot through the top doesn't diffuse throughout the pot, then ones medium is not great. You say the word "inefficient" but do you know what real efficiency actually looks like?
I mean when you see an auto that looks like this at four weeks growing in one litre of substrate, does it not make you question your ideas on what is efficient? Does it not make you rethink everything you thought about root structure? This is not hydro, it's just a hand watered plug. Just sayin'.
I mean when you see an auto that looks like this at four weeks growing in one litre of substrate, does it not make you question your ideas on what is efficient? Does it not make you rethink everything you thought about root structure? This is not hydro, it's just a hand watered plug. Just sayin'.
